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GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Opposi

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If there was a cure i would not want it. Sorry kiddo, this is not a disease, problem, or something wrong. It is just people and it is actually good that there are gay people.

Really? So they have never spent a dime on supporting Affirmative action which uses race as one of it's selection criteria and places the hiring/promotions of peoples of one race ahead of another based solely on race? They never spent a dime on any of Obama's speaches telling us to hate the rich and to hate profit? They do not funnel money into the United Negro College Fund and it's schools where race is a selection criteria?

Quit abusing the word gay. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. A Gayla is not a gathering of homosexuals, it is party. Gay is supposed to be the happiest word in the English language. If homosexuals are gay, why do they have so many bitches and complaints all the time, if they were gay, they would already be as happy as a person can get.

Homosexuality is an aberration of the species survival instinct to reproduce for the survival of the human race. You, apparently being homosexual (at least that is what I get from your previous post), are biased and not open to any opinion other than "I am right". You can bring out all the psychobabble b.s. you want, however, since psychobabblisim cannot be proven through scientific methodology, it is nothing more than opinion.
 
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Yet you have no trouble with the DOJ opposing Arizona's immigration laws right?

How about the Fed's opposing Texas' voter ID? Not a problem right?

SO its only a problem because you don't like DOMA but if its something you oppose like those issues its oK? No double standard huh?


I would like to see Boehner talk to the press while showing a chart and discussing that side of spending and not turn red in the face. ;)
 
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How would you know he turned red with that much bronze paint on his face?
That's a good one. ;) :lol:
 
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Yet you have no trouble with the DOJ opposing Arizona's immigration laws right?

How about the Fed's opposing Texas' voter ID? Not a problem right?

SO its only a problem because you don't like DOMA but if its something you oppose like those issues its oK? No double standard huh?
Yeah. And I don't see the double standard at all. :shrug:
 
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So the government should not spend money on attorneys' defending any case then right?
So you are for the government withdrawing its attacks on AZ, Texas - no doubt Michigans' RTW law?
Or just DOMA?


Yeah. And I don't see the double standard at all. :shrug:
 
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Like it or not, the government has a positive duty to defend it's laws.
 
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GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Opposing Spending

"The updated contract now authorizes Bancroft LLC and Republican Paul Clement, former solicitor general, to spend up to $2 million in defense of DOMA, double the original agreement."

So the republicans are secretly spending money for DOMA. It looks like they passed a little secret bill that lets them spend 2 million on an unpopular law. The next time some republican paints themselves as a fiscal conservative remind them they blow a lot of money on keeping gay dudes from getting married on a federal level despite claiming it is a state issue. Thanks guys, and for that 2 million dollars you could have given 1666 people the maximum food stamps funds available to them. So yes, keeping gay dudes from marrying is more important to republicans that food for 1666 people. keeping gay dudes from marrying is more important than cutting spending by the government. keeping gay dudes from marrying is more important than keeping government out of your life. Oh, and keeping gay dudes from marrying is more important that the constitution, or the people of the US who feel that we should let them marry.

Meanwhile democrats petition the House to authorize billions and trillions in spending.

The GOP can authorize whatever they want in the House - that doesn't mean the Senate will sign off on it.

A half million is peanuts - it's $500,000 dollars - or to equate it into an analogy a progressive could understand - The salary of three union employees or we could just say it costs the taxpayers less than 1/100th of a cent.
 
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I'd like to understand what happened more exactly. If a few guys did this, it may be not a "Republican" thing but a bigot thing or even a noble religious thing. I don't support condemning a whole group by the actions of a few.

I think you know I am an avid supporter of equality including SSM. So I'm not here to defend "Republicans". I'm here to understand the circumstances and those involved and how this was accomplished. DOMA is a law - a horrid one IMHO - but all our laws are complex and tons of money are wasted on them. So, we need toi know much more before we decide that all "republicans" are bad guys.

As far as wasting money - well, that's hardly a single party misbehavior. Billions are spent that are unnecessary by ALL politicians. A few million here, a few million there, before you know it you have an amount that is negligible in context.

So, my request for more details is exactly that. A desire to know.

I'll also mention that EVERYTHING has supporters and detractors. This doesn't translate to "hate", just to differences in opinion.



It is amazing republicans don't have anything to say about this. They seem to enjoy spending money on hate.
 
Re: GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Op

So the government should not spend money on attorneys' defending any case then right?
So you are for the government withdrawing its attacks on AZ, Texas - no doubt Michigans' RTW law?
Or just DOMA?
I don't like the state approaching someone, without just cause, and challenging their US citizenship. (And you know that is the way it first started out.) And as for the voter ID thing, I feel that it constitutes as a poll tax; you should not be under any burden to purchase something in order to vote; it's unconstitutional. And as for that RTW law, I believe that the folks in Michigan will take care of that just like we took care of something similar here in Ohio. ;)
 
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So when its your agenda its fine that our government spend money promoting it / defending it in court, but when its not you want to blast the government for spending money. That is hypocritical which is how the left rolls - I get it. I just like to point it out because its so deserving.

Oh and the Texas law made photo ID available at no cost so the "poll tax" BS is just that - BS.

I don't like the state approaching someone, without just cause, and challenging their US citizenship. (And you know that is the way it first started out.) And as for the voter ID thing, I feel that it constitutes as a poll tax; you should not be under any burden to purchase something in order to vote; it's unconstitutional. And as for that RTW law, I believe that the folks in Michigan will take care of that just like we took care of something similar here in Ohio. ;)
 
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So when its your agenda its fine that our government spend money promoting it / defending it in court, but when its not you want to blast the government for spending money. That is hypocritical which is how the left rolls - I get it. I just like to point it out because its so deserving.

Oh and the Texas law made photo ID available at no cost so the "poll tax" BS is just that - BS.
Fine. Go tell John Boehner that; he is the one telling the American public just how much spending we're doing. :shrug:

And please explain how the photo id is at no cost.
 
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The Texas law provided for a photo identification for anyone that needed it at no cost to the public.

As for telling Boehner I would declare him a hypocrite too - like you - if he advocated cutting the DOJ's
budget for arguing its cases in court but to my knowledge he's not doing that - only you and the
others mystically outraged here at government hiring lawyers to defend a position in court is some
how wrong?


Fine. Go tell John Boehner that; he is the one telling the American public just how much spending we're doing. :shrug:

And please explain how the photo id is at no cost.
 
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The Texas law provided for a photo identification for anyone that needed it at no cost to the public.
OK. Where did that money come from?
 
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Why is it relevant - you said it was a poll tax - you were wrong.


OK. Where did that money come from?
 
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Why is it relevant - you said it was a poll tax - you were wrong.
I'll ask again: where does the money come from to give people free ids?:waiting:
 
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And I will say again - you called it a poll tax. If a voter does not have to pay for it to vote then how is it a poll tax?

It is not relevant that society pays for the ID it is only relevant that your argument in that it being a poll tax is wrong.


I'll ask again: where does the money come from to give people free ids?:waiting:
 
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And I will say again - you called it a poll tax. If a voter does not have to pay for it to vote then how is it a poll tax?

It is not relevant that society pays for the ID it is only relevant that your argument in that it being a poll tax is wrong.
CalGun: seeing that nothing is free, and that the manufacturing of ids are not going to come out of a leprechaun's hat, where does the state get the money to pay for these free ids? Seriously, it's relevant.
 
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It would be relevant if you did not claim it was a poll tax. But you did so it is not relevant. You claimed it was a poll tax - I noted the voter could get it for free if they could not afford to get one - hence its not a poll tax and your argument fails.


CalGun: seeing that nothing is free, and that the manufacturing of ids are not going to come out of a leprechaun's hat, where does the state get the money to pay for these free ids? Seriously, it's relevant.
 
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I don't like the state approaching someone, without just cause, and challenging their US citizenship. (And you know that is the way it first started out.) And as for the voter ID thing, I feel that it constitutes as a poll tax; you should not be under any burden to purchase something in order to vote; it's unconstitutional. And as for that RTW law, I believe that the folks in Michigan will take care of that just like we took care of something similar here in Ohio. ;)

Without a cause?

Where do you live? I have lived in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, and it really isn't that hard to distinguish between the illegals and legals. Maybe amongst first generation or so after immigration, it would still be somewhat difficult. But you know, just not speaking or speaking very broken English is enough "probable cause" to question immigration status if someone has other appearances that also mark them as possible illegals. Sure Race has some input, but an Hispanic during a traffic stop that looks like a local and speaks English within tolerances of the region, they probably will not get hassled, unless the cop is just an asshole.

If the Hispanic community thinks it is racist, then perhaps they should cooperate with law enforcement to help reduce the number of illegals instead of openly supporting illegal immigration and hindering law enforcement.

And to all those who are legal citizens, but run around waving Mexican Flags and other things glorifying Mexico, a question. If Mexican Culture and Mexican ways are so damned good, why are you on this side of the Border? The question stands also for anyone who immigrated or are decedents of immigrants, if the old country is so damned good, why are you here?
 
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DOMA is a disgusting piece of legislation and should not be defended.

That having been said, there is a bit of good news one can draw from this. As recently as a few years ago, politicians on the national stage were openly denouncing gays and using fear of SSM to help them win reëlection. Today, they are on the defensive and have to be careful not to offend the pro-equality majority. It won't be long before they have to drop the issue entirely. That, my friends, is significant progress in a very short period of time.
 
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CalGun said:
Oh and the Texas law made photo ID available at no cost so the "poll tax" BS is just that - BS.
One of the reasons the Texas photo ID was held back from being implemented, was that they did not make the photo ID, 'at no cost' to the public.


From the federal court in Washington that ruled that the Texas Voter ID law violates the Voting Rights Act, Judge David Tatel, in writing the opinion, said....

“Uncontested record evidence conclusively shows that the implicit costs of obtaining [qualifying ID] will fall most heavily on the poor and that a disproportionately high percentage of African Americans and Hispanics in Texas live in poverty.”

[...]

..."under our reasoning today, such laws might well be pre-cleared if they ensure (1) that all prospective voters can easily obtain free photo ID, and (2) that any underlying documents required to obtain that ID are truly free of charge.”
 
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