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European court condemns CIA in landmark ruling

wolfman24 said:
So the only answer is one or the other. Bull****. How about both.
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No, and I am not sure why you would even come to that conclusion. However, the drone program, under Obama, is hardly a carry over from the Bush years as you previously suggested. He has openly embraced it and made it his own
 
Snotty Europeans wag their fingers at Americans, again. Same old song they've been singing since the 70's.

Please wait. Attempting to give a damn....


TheDemSocialist said:
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Read more @: European court condemns CIA in landmark ruling - San Jose Mercury News[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Macedonia and with the USA's CIA were condemned by the European Court of Human Rights. It was a landmark case that condemned various US practices on treatment and unlawful holding of prisoners. I support this finding and findings, if the US want to be viewed more highly throughout the world these kind of practices need to stop. [/FONT]
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TheDemSocialist said:
Yes soo "snotty" to point out human rights abuses.. How "snotty"
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Well, Obama is President now, so we won't have any more problems with human rights abuses, right?

Or, at least, Democrats and liberals won't complain about them as much.

If you want a news media that cares about civil rights and a vigorous human rights community that keeps a sharp eye out for abuses by the Administration, then you'll just have to elect a Republican for President! :rofl
 
LowDown said:
Well, Obama is President now, so we won't have any more problems with human rights abuses, right?

Or, at least, Democrats and liberals won't complain about them as much.

If you want a news media that cares about civil rights and a vigorous human rights community that keeps a sharp eye out for abuses by the Administration, then you'll just have to elect a Republican for President! :rofl
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Right.... Then why is this being covered?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Right.... Then why is this being covered?
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I'm assuming those cases can be linked to Bush. If they concerned Obama they would not have been brought up, I suspect.

Democrats get a pass on torture, wrongful imprisonment, kidnapping, etc., because they care.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Read more @: European court condemns CIA in landmark ruling - San Jose Mercury News[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Macedonia and with the USA's CIA were condemned by the European Court of Human Rights. It was a landmark case that condemned various US practices on treatment and unlawful holding of prisoners. I support this finding and findings, if the US want to be viewed more highly throughout the world these kind of practices need to stop. [/FONT]
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Well I'm pretty sure we haven't really been on the high moral road on this one.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Hmmm like what countries is that? Sudan? Syria? Iraq? Russia? If so, does that make these practices right and justifiable?
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No, actually. The UK.

BBC News - UK pays £2.2m to settle Libyan rendition claim

The UK government has agreed to pay £2.2m ($3.5m) to a Libyan dissident and his family who say MI6 was involved in their illegal rendition.

Sami al-Saadi and his family were forcibly transferred to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's Libya in 2004.

Their lawyers say the pay-out ends the family's legal action against the UK, in which they were arguing MI6 was instrumental in their kidnap.

The UK still faces a further allegation of rendition from another Libyan.
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I think the practice of redition is dispicable, and all countries that have used the practice should be equally villified for doing so. Redition has no place in civilized society, and should be internationally censured.
 
The story itself lacks a lot of detail as to the facts surrounding this case. I am always suspicious of such claims and rulings due to there being so many anti-american entities in europe just scratching at every itch they can to smear the US. Until there is some type of legitimate fact finding investigation, I don't feel there is any reason to be alarmed. It is well known that the CIA is involved these types of things. However, there is virtually no country on the planet that does not have some type of underground entity pulling the geopolitical strings. To say otherwise, is to simply be dishonest or even worst, just naieve about how countries do their business. The only reason the US gets highlighted as often as it does is because by being designated the "world police", we effectivly paint a target on our own backs for criticism. Many people simply do not understand or are just ignorant to this and combined with ignorance of how the world works, they feel the US is evil. When in fact, the US is probably benign in comparison to other countries that just dont have the spotlight on them all the time like we do.
 
CalGun said:
Well we should appaud mr.obama for stopping this nonsense of kidnapping and torturing anyone in our
war on terror - he just kills them by remote controll using a drone instead. Does that fit the "progressive"
term many think apply to him?
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No, it does not.
 
LowDown said:
Well, Obama is President now, so we won't have any more problems with human rights abuses, right?

Or, at least, Democrats and liberals won't complain about them as much.
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Democrats will no dount defend Obama regarding these violations. Liberals won't.
 
Red_Dave said:
The Securitate claimed they knew what they where doing when they imprisoned and tortured the innocent also. And we no for certain that they do not when we look at cases like Mozam Beg's and Binyamin Mohammed's.
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Yes well, I never said that the initiative to restrain CIA power and make it respect national boundaries isn't a good thing. I am far in favor of that and the judicial process and all the things that are characteristics of western civilization. But... it also depends who the messenger is. Protests in the street over this? Sure. Public demands and discussions in Parliaments... sure.

Have an inept institution who has an abominable track record in dealing with issues only brings non-credibility and galvanizes the whole thing is just about the worst way you can send out a message.
 
Sarcogito said:
Democrats will no dount defend Obama regarding these violations. Liberals won't.
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Yes, kudos to liberals who have been consistent about their stance on these issues regardless who is President. Glenn Greenwald comes to mind. Many have not been so consistent.

My own stance is that the President as Commander in Chief has a tremendous amount of authority to conduct operations against foreign enemies, and that he does indeed have the legal authority to do these things. Whether they have ever been good policy or not is another matter.
 
"Landmark Ruling?"

Pretty funny. Is there a single, solitary person in the United States that actually gives a sht?
 
What's next? They gonna toss some stinky cheese?
 
CalGun said:
Well we should appaud mr.obama for stopping this nonsense of kidnapping and torturing anyone in our
war on terror - he just kills them by remote controll using a drone instead. Does that fit the "progressive"
term many think apply to him?
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You might be forgetting what the Prez did to Bradley Manning. It was not civilized, and his actions work against the notion that ours is a civilized government.

This country is now known as a torturer and agent-of-death.
 
Henry David said:
You might be forgetting what the Prez did to Bradley Manning. It was not civilized, and his actions work against the notion that ours is a civilized government. This country is now known as a torturer and agent-of-death.
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What did the prez do to Bradley Manning?
 
Henry David said:
You might be forgetting what the Prez did to Bradley Manning. It was not civilized, and his actions work against the notion that ours is a civilized government.

This country is now known as a torturer and agent-of-death.
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Good reason for idiots to quit screwing with us.
 
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