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European court condemns CIA in landmark ruling

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PARIS—A European court issued a landmark ruling Thursday that condemned the CIA's so-called extraordinary renditions programs and bolstered those who say they were illegally kidnapped and tortured as part of an overzealous war on terrorism.The European Court of Human Rights ruled that a German car salesman was a victim of torture and abuse, in a long-awaited victory for a man who had failed for years to get courts in the United States and Europe to recognize him as a victim.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Khaled El-Masri says he was kidnapped from Macedonia in 2003, mistaken for a terrorism suspect, then held for four months and brutally interrogated at an Afghan prison known as the "Salt Pit" run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. He says that once U.S. authorities realized he was not a threat, they illegally sent him to Albania and left him on a mountainside.[/FONT]

But several other legal cases are pending from Britain to Hong Kong involving people who say they were illegally detained in the CIA program. Its critics hope that Thursday's ruling will lead to court victories for other rendition victims.

A U.N. special rapporteur on human rights, the American Civil Liberties Union, the International Committee of Jurists and Amnesty International were among others hailing the ruling as a long-awaited breakthrough.



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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Macedonia and with the USA's CIA were condemned by the European Court of Human Rights. It was a landmark case that condemned various US practices on treatment and unlawful holding of prisoners. I support this finding and findings, if the US want to be viewed more highly throughout the world these kind of practices need to stop. [/FONT]
 
Not to be a bubble burster, but this isn't going to do anything regarding the CIA's rendition program and thus effectively useless.
 
Kidnapping and torturing people all over the world without evidence or trials? That sounds like my 'Merica.
 
Not to be a bubble burster, but this isn't going to do anything regarding the CIA's rendition program and thus effectively useless.

I agree but condemning and bringing international attention to this issue is always a good thing and a start.
 
Well we should appaud mr.obama for stopping this nonsense of kidnapping and torturing anyone in our
war on terror - he just kills them by remote controll using a drone instead. Does that fit the "progressive"
term many think apply to him?
 
Well we should appaud mr.obama for stopping this nonsense of kidnapping and torturing anyone in our
war on terror - he just kills them by remote controll using a drone instead. Does that fit the "progressive"
term many think apply to him?

Nope.
But way to bring Obama into this :thumbs:
 
I would love to sympathise with the European court of human rights but since they are a joke and have absolutely no credibility what so ever in my book, I have to just go "meh" and accept that the CIA know what they are doing. At least they are doing something, unlike the ECHR who just take one stupid measure after another.
 
Well I thought it was appropriate since he has said torture is wrong and has
insured to all we stopped it - kind of making this French a little late to the party
don't you think? Silly French.

And I do think he must have stopped it since killing all the people by drone makes
it kind of hard to incarcerate and torture them.


Nope.
But way to bring Obama into this :thumbs:
 
Not to be a bubble burster, but this isn't going to do anything regarding the CIA's rendition program and thus effectively useless.

The only value to the ruling is that most USA Americans don't believe the CIA was doing this and now they will have to continue pretending that the ruling is bullsh*t. Now, one must decide if the popular mentality is the propensity to stupidity or simply a well washed mind, keeping out the dirty, bad thoughts.
 
Well we should appaud mr.obama for stopping this nonsense of kidnapping and torturing anyone in our
war on terror - he just kills them by remote controll using a drone instead. Does that fit the "progressive"
term many think apply to him?

This practice did not start with Obama if you remember. Probably not though convenient denial
 
Judicial activism is big in Europe, I see.
 
Oh no, I will grant you that, it did not start with mr.obama. Nope in fact there was someone bragging about obama's prowess as a mighty
soldier in the fact he expanded the use of drones and killing of our enemies on their streets some time back and they were reminded most of
that infastructure and much of those aircraft were in fact built under GW. Its just safe to note we don't torture people any more - we just
kill them - even if it means knocking off a few innocents along the way - and hey American nationals can get taken down the same way you
know - its happened!


This practice did not start with Obama if you remember. Probably not though convenient denial
 
Oh no, I will grant you that, it did not start with mr.obama. Nope in fact there was someone bragging about obama's prowess as a mighty
soldier in the fact he expanded the use of drones and killing of our enemies on their streets some time back and they were reminded most of
that infastructure and much of those aircraft were in fact built under GW. Its just safe to note we don't torture people any more - we just
kill them - even if it means knocking off a few innocents along the way - and hey American nationals can get taken down the same way you
know - its happened!

I do not remember any one bringing up the big O before you. If there was the point is still the same.
 
This practice did not start with Obama if you remember. Probably not though convenient denial

He heavily expanded it though and has seemingly involved Americans as targets. So it's hard to deflect this one to bush, especially when we consider that according to polling the majority of progressives and democrats now support the program
 
Violation of human rights and civil liberties abroad is a big practice of the US i see...

It's an even bigger practice by other countries, who I would bet escaped the attention of this human rights court.
 
Well we should appaud mr.obama for stopping this nonsense of kidnapping and torturing anyone in our
war on terror - he just kills them by remote controll using a drone instead. Does that fit the "progressive"
term many think apply to him?

Nice job of turning this into another bash Obama thread. Hey, look on the positive side. You've only got another month or so until President Romney is sworn in and all of those evil drone strikes stop!:lamo
 
It's an even bigger practice by other countries, who I would bet escaped the attention of this human rights court.

Hmmm like what countries is that? Sudan? Syria? Iraq? Russia? If so, does that make these practices right and justifiable?
 
I would love to sympathise with the European court of human rights but since they are a joke and have absolutely no credibility what so ever in my book, I have to just go "meh" and accept that the CIA know what they are doing. At least they are doing something, unlike the ECHR who just take one stupid measure after another.

The Securitate claimed they knew what they where doing when they imprisoned and tortured the innocent also. And we no for certain that they do not when we look at cases like Mozam Beg's and Binyamin Mohammed's.
 
He heavily expanded it though and has seemingly involved Americans as targets. So it's hard to deflect this one to bush, especially when we consider that according to polling the majority of progressives and democrats now support the program

So the only answer is one or the other. Bull****. How about both.
 
It's an even bigger practice by other countries, who I would bet escaped the attention of this human rights court.

Probably because they occurred where it had for jurisdiction.
 
Hmmm like what countries is that? Sudan? Syria? Iraq? Russia? If so, does that make these practices right and justifiable?

It certainly makes these clowns a bunch of hypocrites. :rofl
 
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