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Richest\Poorest Cities in USA

CalGun said:
You know I was looking at this and wondering why we don't impose a tax on the top 5 and give it to the bottom 5? I mean come on we want "fairness" right?
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Obama will get a man right on that! Yes he can!
 
"a man" you mean a committee, a team, and a convention! Complete with a golf outing I'm sure....where
are the soak the rich libearls in search of fairness? Shouldn't they be all over this? I mean this is "top 5"
stuff we're talking about here! This isn't 3 million people (1%) this top 5!


ttwtt78640 said:
Obama will get a man right on that! Yes he can!
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Don't ever consider living in any of the recommended cities that we see so often in various articles. Go there first and observe for yourself the quality of life that you personally will experience. It will be much different than the rosy picture presented by the articles.

Ever see articles like "Best places to retire" "Best places to buy a home" "Most Family Oriented Cities?" HA! Wait until you read the glowing nonsense they write about your town where you can't even stand beside your car and expect it not to be broken into.
 
Gee, Detroit was #1. I'm so shocked.

It goes to show the idiocy of the pro-union fools. It's not a coincidence.
 
CalGun said:
"a man" you mean a committee, a team, and a convention! Complete with a golf outing I'm sure....where
are the soak the rich libearls in search of fairness? Shouldn't they be all over this? I mean this is "top 5"
stuff we're talking about here! This isn't 3 million people (1%) this top 5!
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It all depends on what his teleprompter has to say about that. Obama is not much for that personal involvement style, better to delegate that to a trusted associate, take an opinion poll or two and then take it on the campaign trail to assure the pubilc that he has, in fact, been given a "mandate" to get that done, right now. After all, it was obviously the "Bush policy" that caused this "unfairness" and he must correct that foolish policy - as soon as someone explains to him just what that means he should do.
 
Gipper said:
Gee, Detroit was #1. I'm so shocked.

It goes to show the idiocy of the pro-union fools. It's not a coincidence.
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Why are you not blaming white racism?
 
haymarket said:
Why are you not blaming white racism?
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Because Washington D.C. made the list of top 5 richest?

Thanks for playing the race card though, hyper-lib. Par for the course.
 
Gipper said:
Because Washington D.C. made the list of top 5 richest?

Thanks for playing the race card though, hyper-lib. Par for the course.
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Several serious academic studies have pointed to white racism and the resulting white flight as the number one reason for the decline of Detroit. Why is stating facts somehow objectionable to you?
 
haymarket said:
Several serious academic studies have pointed to white racism and the resulting white flight as the number one reason for the decline of Detroit. Why is stating facts somehow objectionable to you?
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Isn't voting Obama sedating your inner "white race apologist" enough?

Tell you what - when the 4% of Washington D.C. that are white all flee for greener pastures and it goes from 3rd richest to 3rd poorest, then we'll revisit this topic. Until then, vomiting some biased liberal think-tank studies won't help you.

Go back to pandering. You do an A+ job with that.
 
Well to repeal the 22nd amendment and assure a future third term
you'd think obama would be all over this; afterall DC isn't going to
vote against him, neither is SF, San Jose and San Diego. He could
use the votes in the five cities he'd make "fair" and "equitable."
 
CalGun said:
You know I was looking at this and wondering why we don't impose a tax on the top 5 and give it to the bottom 5? I mean come on we want "fairness" right?
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Hmm. Perhaps we should institute a progressive income tax of some kind?
 
Aderleth said:
Hmm. Perhaps we should institute a progressive income tax of some kind?
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I agree. After that, we can make all doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. get on their knees and beg for forgiveness.
 
Gipper said:
I agree. After that, we can make all doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. get on their knees and beg for forgiveness.
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You understand I was being sarcastic, right? We already have a progressive income tax (although not progressive enough for my tastes).
 
haymarket said:
Several serious academic studies have pointed to white racism and the resulting white flight as the number one reason for the decline of Detroit. Why is stating facts somehow objectionable to you?
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I would posit that the people with money left Detroit because of the decline, as opposed to being the cause of it. If a community isn't declining, there is no cause to leave it.
 
haymarket said:
Several serious academic studies have pointed to white racism and the resulting white flight as the number one reason for the decline of Detroit. Why is stating facts somehow objectionable to you?
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White flight, which has begun to reverse in more recent years, may have been about racism in part. But it was also due to a desire to escape poor schools, high crime, drugs, poor city services, poor roads, etc.

Reminds me of a fellow who was drowning his sorrows at a bar having just been reassigned to a Detroit office. Another fellow at the bar told him that he worked in Detroit, and as long as a person finds a home in a nice suburb with a good school that life there will be just fine and as normal as anywhere. The first fellow thanked him for that insight. Then he asked, "By the way, what do you do for a living?"

"I'm a tail gunner for a beer truck."
 
Aderleth said:
You understand I was being sarcastic, right? We already have a progressive income tax (although not progressive enough for my tastes).
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My bad. More proof that we need a sarcasm font.

I thought you were going haymarket on me.
 
haymarket said:
Several serious academic studies have pointed to white racism and the resulting white flight as the number one reason for the decline of Detroit. Why is stating facts somehow objectionable to you?
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That is sort of a chicken and egg argument, is it not? Why would just Detriot be this "hotbed of racism" and not other parts of that state, or even other midwestern cities/states? It is a normal part of the cycle of urban decline that those with the means to escape (yes they are mostly richer and whiter) do so, leaving only those that have no reason (or means) to move elsewhere. To ascribe racism to those that left Detroit would mean that few (or no) blacks left, which is not true.
 
We made third richest, hah take that city in the other "Washington".

Also, we have better public transport, even if you have better coffee.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is sort of a chicken and egg argument, is it not? Why would just Detriot be this "hotbed of racism" and not other parts of that state, or even other midwestern cities/states? It is a normal part of the cycle of urban decline that those with the means to escape (yes they are mostly richer and whiter) do so, leaving only those that have no reason (or means) to move elsewhere. To ascribe racism to those that left Detroit would mean that few (or no) blacks left, which is not true.
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A year or two ago I went round and round with Reverend HellH0und on this. I presented several highly respected academic studies which demonstrated that Detroit was indeed in fact worse in racist feelings than many other cities.

If you check the 1950 Detroit population - and break it down for both blacks and whites and compare that to the 2010 census results you will see that your claim is NOT TRUE. I will look them up and add them here.

this is very useful.

http://www.detroit1701.org/PopEnumerated.html

You will see that from 1950 to 2010 basically five out of every six whites left the city. During that same time, the number of African American has increased. If whtie population had only remained stable during that same period, Detroit would still be one of the ten largest cities in America. The loss of over half the population in sixty years is directly attributed to the loss of white residents.
 
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haymarket said:
A year or two ago I went round and round with Reverend HellH0und on this. I presented several highly respected academic studies which demonstrated that Detroit was indeed in fact worse in racist feelings than many other cities.
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So feelings affect the economy? Yeah, I can't imagine why I'm mocking you.
 
haymarket said:
A year or two ago I went round and round with Reverend HellH0und on this. I presented several highly respected academic studies which demonstrated that Detroit was indeed in fact worse in racist feelings than many other cities.

If you check the 1950 Detroit population - and break it down for both blacks and whites and compare that to the 2010 census results you will see that your claim is NOT TRUE. I will look them up and add them here.

this is very useful.

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You will see that from 1950 to 2010 basically five out of every six whites left the city. During that same time, the number of African American has increased. If whtie population had only remained stable during that same period, Detroit would still be one of the ten largest cities in America. The loss of over half the population in sixty years is directly attributed to the loss of white residents.
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That is indeed the what, but not necessarily the why. Corelation does not equal causation. Some different versions of Detroit's "history" follow: The Urbanophile » Blog Archive » The Reasons Behind Detroit’s Decline by Pete Saunders

What Put the Brakes on Detroit's Economy? (NYSE:F, NYSE:GM, NYSE:TM, NYSE:HMC, NASDAQ:TSLA, NYSE:NAV) | Wall St. Cheat Sheet

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/mar2010/whit-m25.shtml

http://econdev.cus.wayne.edu/blog/post/the-decline-of-detroit-manufacturing.aspx
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
That is indeed the what, but not necessarily the why. Corelation does not equal causation. Some different versions of Detroit's "history" follow: The Urbanophile » Blog Archive » The Reasons Behind Detroit’s Decline by Pete Saunders

What Put the Brakes on Detroit's Economy? (NYSE:F, NYSE:GM, NYSE:TM, NYSE:HMC, NASDAQ:TSLA, NYSE:NAV) | Wall St. Cheat Sheet

Local Economic Development | The Decline of Detroit Manufacturing
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There is no doubt that several factors played into the decline of Detroit including some of the factors in articles you list. Which also btw indicate that racism also played a role as I contended.

I would list them as
*** white racism and subsequent white flight
*** the building of the highway system making it easy to NOT live in Detroit but still work there
*** the loss of manufacturing plants and the jobs that went with them
*** the rise of social pathologies such as riots, crime and declining public education which motivated and encouraged whites to leave
*** the lack of new housing in Detroit as opposed to newer and fresher suburbs

I have NEVER found a single respected academic study which lays the decline of Detroit on organized labor as a previous poster stated and that was what I was objecting to as they completely ignored other mroe documented causes.
 
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