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Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

KevinKohler said:
Middle class folks don't rent apartments their entire lives.


Do you agree?
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I know some millionaire lawyers in NYC who are partners at big firms and nearing retirement who live in apartments.
 
TurtleDude said:
I know some millionaire lawyers in NYC who are partners at big firms and nearing retirement who live in apartments.
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Sure. In NYC.

For the rest of the vast majority of the US, home ownership is key to being considered middle class.
 
KevinKohler said:
Sure. In NYC.

For the rest of the vast majority of the US, home ownership is key to being considered middle class.
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I think we are getting bogged down with irrelevance. The bottom line is that the masses drive congressional spending and most of the pandering goes to them since they have the most votes
 
TurtleDude said:
I think we are getting bogged down with irrelevance. The bottom line is that the masses drive congressional spending and most of the pandering goes to them since they have the most votes
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Correct. Question...what is the growing class..."minorities", or middle class?
 
Catawba said:
The Democrats would not vote for the budget because of the amendments made by the GOP, but nice job of changing the subject to something other than what my comment was about.
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That's a crock.....the GOP never ever saw the one. As the Demos Shot Obama's proposal down straight out the gate. Quite disingenuous of you to try and Blame it on the GOP. For the DNC's own internal struggles. But then I doubt you can Admit to any screw ups by the Progressives and the Left.

Moreover anything tied into correlation with the Topic is open to all game. So save all the deflections and going off on a tangent about how others are changing the subject on you.
 
TurtleDude said:
more stupidity. the middle class tax cuts "cost more" than that for the rich and the rich are still paying more than what they should
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The rich are paying the lowest percentage tax rates in modern history. And ending the temporary tax cuts for the wealthy would not wreck the economy as would ending the tax cuts for the middle class.

Apparently, you failed to learn in the election that this is about the economy.
 
Catawba said:
The rich are paying the lowest percentage tax rates in modern history. And ending the temporary tax cuts for the wealthy would not wreck the economy as would ending the tax cuts for the middle class.

Apparently, you failed to learn in the election that this is about the economy.
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so is everyone else and the rich are paying a HIGHER SHARE OF THE TAX BURDEN THAN AT ANY TIME IN MODERN HISTORY

and I tire of your silly appeals to mediocrity. you seem to think because the electorate is dominated by morons, I did not learn something
 
TurtleDude said:
so is everyone else and the rich are paying a HIGHER SHARE OF THE TAX BURDEN THAN AT ANY TIME IN MODERN HISTORY

and I tire of your silly appeals to mediocrity. you seem to think because the electorate is dominated by morons, I did not learn something
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Your side's contempt for the working class and seniors was your downfall, and you are correct, you haven't learned a thing. I pity you.
 
Catawba said:
Your side's contempt for the working class and seniors was your downfall, and you are correct, you haven't learned a thing. I pity you.
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YOur hatred of those who pays for your existence will be your downfall. we are far more resourceful than those who act like little piggies suckling on the government hog
 
Catawba said:
Your side's contempt for the working class and seniors was your downfall, and you are correct, you haven't learned a thing. I pity you.
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The Progressives downfall was the Day they came into existence. Obviously you have no clue as to the economics in this Country. When you get past the failed Keynesian Economics with NY LA and CHIC and all those major 76 US cities with economies. Come and see me when you can step up to the plate with some stats and not that Conjecture you throw out there from that Democratic Underground and WH talking points.
 
TurtleDude said:
YOur hatred of those who pays for your existence will be your downfall. we are far more resourceful than those who act like little piggies suckling on the government hog
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You are a drain on my existence but like I said, I don't hate you, I pity you.
 
MMC said:
The Progressives downfall was the Day they came into existence. Obviously you have no clue as to the economics in this Country. When you get past the failed Keynesian Economics with NY LA and CHIC and all those major 76 US cities with economies. Come and see me when you can step up to the plate with some stats and not that Conjecture you throw out there from that Democratic Underground and WH talking points.
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progressives are essentially a malignancy. sooner or later they kill the host and with it themselves
 
Catawba said:
You are a drain on my existence but like I said, I don't hate you, I pity you.
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LOL I don't impose any costs on you. you on the other hand........

I don't hate people on this board. hate is reserved for people who have personally done me wrong. not those who merely hate the USA or want to screw it up
 
TurtleDude said:
.... the rich are paying a HIGHER SHARE OF THE TAX BURDEN THAN AT ANY TIME IN MODERN HISTORY...
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Oh BS, individuality the rich are paying less taxes. Since there are less tax payers every group is paying more in taxes.
 
TurtleDude said:
LOL I don't impose any costs on you. you on the other hand........

I don't hate people on this board. hate is reserved for people who have personally done me wrong. not those who merely hate the USA or want to screw it up
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The tax cuts given to you and the other wealthy that was supposed to have produced jobs and didn't, required the country to borrow from SS, and you you expect to walk away from your obligations without repayment of your debts.

Better think again!
 
pbrauer said:
Oh BS, individuality the rich are paying less taxes. Since there are less tax payers every group is paying more in taxes.
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U were saying?
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But are the rich really taxed less than secretaries? Here’s a fact check by the Associated Press.

Stephen Ohlemacher reports for the AP, Sept. 20, 2011:

The data tell a different story. On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.

There may be individual millionaires who pay taxes at rates lower than middle-income workers. In 2009, 1,470 households filed tax returns with incomes above $1 million yet paid no federal income tax, according to the Internal Revenue Service. That, however, was less than 1 percent of the nearly 237,000 returns with incomes above $1 million.

[...] This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1% of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes and payroll taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay 15% of their income in federal taxes. Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5% of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7%.

The latest IRS figures are a few years older — and limited to federal income taxes — but show much the same thing. In 2009, taxpayers who made $1 million or more paid on average 24.4 percent of their income in federal income taxes, according to the IRS. Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9 percent in federal income taxes. Those making $50,000 to $60,000 paid an average of 6.3 percent.

Obama’s claim hinges on the fact that, for high-income families and individuals, investment income is often taxed at a lower rate than wages. The top tax rate for dividends and capital gains is 15%. The top marginal tax rate for wages is 35%, though that is reserved for taxable income above $379,150.

With tax rates that high, why do so many people pay at lower rates? Because the tax code is riddled with more than $1 trillion in deductions, exemptions and credits, and they benefit people at every income level, according to data from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress’ official scorekeeper on revenue issues.

The Tax Policy Center estimates that 46% of households, mostly low- and medium-income households, will pay no federal income taxes this year. Most, however, will pay other taxes, including Social Security payroll taxes......snip~

Do Rich Americans Really Pay Less Taxes Than the Middle Class? | Fellowship of the Minds


Would you like to see the Numbers from Fact Check too? How about Politico. What is up with you lefties? Ya can't just keep making things up on the fly, and.................................NO! You can't change History!
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pbrauer said:
Oh BS, individuality the rich are paying less taxes. Since there are less tax payers every group is paying more in taxes.
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I guess you cannot understand the difference between rates and amounts and relative burden

For example If a dinner for ten costs 1000 dollars and I pay 500 dollars and the other 9 pay an equal proportion of that 500 remaining dollars and the cost of the meal goes to 500 and I pay 300 dollars and the others split the additional 200, my actual payments went down by more dollars than they do but I am now paying 60% of the bill rather than 50% of the bill and you will whine about that
 
WILL IT EVER END..lmao...noooooo...turtledude: keep your grubby hand out hands away from me you scum. Catawba: You are a greedy rotten vile thing that doesnt pay enough taxs...Pbauer: I hate all registered republicans..lpast: I keep tellign you turtle im doing sweill im quite comfortable..the pigs at the trough have milked the country dry...lololol...ahhh DPF gotta love it
 
Catawba said:
The tax cuts given to you and the other wealthy that was supposed to have produced jobs and didn't, required the country to borrow from SS, and you you expect to walk away from your obligations without repayment of your debts.

Better think again!
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what were we supposed to get for people like you paying far less than what you use? nothing of value

rather you voted for welfare socialists

that was the "benefit" we got from people like you using more than you pay
 
TurtleDude said:
what were we supposed to get for people like you paying far less than what you use? nothing of value

rather you voted for welfare socialists

that was the "benefit" we got from people like you using more than you pay
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Right, here you go again crying about how how our forefathers set up a socialist country and you are just a poor rich victim. Boo-hoo! Boo-hoo! We feel so sorry for you!
 
Catawba said:
Right, here you go again crying about how how our forefathers set up a socialist country and you are just a poor rich victim. Boo-hoo! Boo-hoo! We feel so sorry for you!
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its you who cries about others being wealthy. I don't demand others pay for my way. You do and you claim I am crying? benign neglect would kill people like you. not me
 
Catawba said:
You are a drain on my existence but like I said, I don't hate you, I pity you.
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Did you talk to the 46% of low to medium income people that pay no tax that are a drain on your existence? Did you mention to them how they should be out there Contributing to your collective?????
 
lpast said:
WILL IT EVER END..lmao...noooooo...turtledude: keep your grubby hand out hands away from me you scum. Catawba: You are a greedy rotten vile thing that doesnt pay enough taxs...Pbauer: I hate all registered republicans..lpast: I keep tellign you turtle im doing sweill im quite comfortable..the pigs at the trough have milked the country dry...lololol...ahhh DPF gotta love it
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Well they just got slapped down with those stats once again. Do you think they should try to keep all those sources together and just pick out what they think is relevant to Economics?
 
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