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Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

I can't get worked up about this. If he works on a plan to cut spending on vacation, then I hope he has a great time.
 
Did you expect any less from this man? Why do you think he needs to raise taxes so much? He's got a golf game to perfect.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I get that all presidents do this, but I don't understand why they're allowed to without paying for it themselves. They make 300k a year, yet take vacations worth 13 times their yearly salary?
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Much of the costs is incurred by sercret service, Airforce one on standby, etc. no matter whether the president leaves the White House. The president DOES pay for hotel costs, food, etc. but since his salary is payed for by the government (i.e. taxpayer money), people also add that costs to "taxpayer" incurred expenses.
 
CalGun said:
Did you expect any less from this man? Why do you think he needs to raise taxes so much? He's got a golf game to perfect.
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So you believe a president (even a GOP president) should NEVER go on vacation then right?
 
He is a selfish jerk and he ran against another selfish jerk so I don't know why all the surprise here. Obama is on his way up to rich, his competitor had hundreds of millions and never did a major act of charity (giving to you church don't count) or he would have gotten my vote.

All these guys want to be President cause its a life of luxury. Of course you are jealous. Me too.


DA60 said:
Why can he not do all this after 2016 and give the $4 million he saves to the poor?

What, living in the White House is too confining?

Awwww - poor baby.

Why doesn't he go to a shelter in D.C. and complain to the poor there that living in the W.H. is too confining for him?

Selfish jerk.
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TheNextEra said:
And I answered you already, much of that money is costs that are ALREADY incurred EVEN WITH the president at the White House.

So again, I will ask YOU, do you think a president should NEVER go on vacation?
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No you did not answer my question.

I asked you what happens if the POTUS does not use all of the travel/security budget allocated to him? Prove to me why it cannot be allocated elsewhere?


And no, I do not think a POTUS should ever go on vacations that cost taxpayers millions of dollars per trip during their presidency.

He cannot vacation near to home?

He has just GOT to fly 4800 miles or he will drop dead from exhaustion?

Please start answering my questions or stop asking me yours.
 
DA60 said:
No you did not answer my question.

I asked you what happens if the POTUS does not use all of the travel/security budget allocated to him? Prove to me why it cannot be allocated elsewhere?


And no, I do not think a POTUS should ever go on vacations that cost taxpayers millions of dollars per trip during their presidency.

He cannot vacation near to home?

He has just GOT to fly 4800 miles or he will drop dead from exhaustion?

Please start answering my questions or stop asking me yours.
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If you understood how federal money worked, you would know why you cannot simply allocate it elsewhere.

It is foolish to think a president should NEVER go on vacation. Cost is incurred no matter whether the president leaves the White House or not.

He is visiting his home state like previous presidents have done in the past. Sorry you don't like it, get over it.
 
specklebang said:
He is a selfish jerk and he ran against another selfish jerk so I don't know why all the surprise here. Obama is on his way up to rich, his competitor had hundreds of millions and never did a major act of charity (giving to you church don't count) or he would have gotten my vote.

All these guys want to be President cause its a life of luxury. Of course you are jealous. Me too.
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You are smarter than this....Romney only gave to his church? not likely true.....
Of course, if you can prove it, I will agree with you.....but I think you can't...
 
specklebang said:
He is a selfish jerk and he ran against another selfish jerk so I don't know why all the surprise here. Obama is on his way up to rich, his competitor had hundreds of millions and never did a major act of charity (giving to you church don't count) or he would have gotten my vote.

All these guys want to be President cause its a life of luxury. Of course you are jealous. Me too.
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Speak for yourself.

I am not jealous. I would not want his job nor would I want to take a $4 million dollar trip at taxpayer's expense.
Especially when so many troops I ordered overseas are suffering/dying/away from their loved ones for undeclared wars or the nation's food stamp usage has risen 40% since I took over OR that unemployment is mired near/above 8%. Or if the nation is facing a fiscal cliff because I refuse to cut spending enough.


Now, someone like Warren Buffett or some other stinking rich guy? Now THAT is someone I envy (well, I envy their wallet anyway).

Then I could take a $4 million dollar vacations with only my own money that I earned.
 
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DA60 said:
No you did not answer my question.

I asked you what happens if the POTUS does not use all of the travel/security budget allocated to him? Prove to me why it cannot be allocated elsewhere?


And no, I do not think a POTUS should ever go on vacations that cost taxpayers millions of dollars per trip during their presidency.

He cannot vacation near to home?

He has just GOT to fly 4800 miles or he will drop dead from exhaustion?

Please start answering my questions or stop asking me yours.
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He is from Hawaii. If he were from Baltimore, it would be cheaper. The President has no control over what the Secret Service does to protect him and that comes at a cost. Sure he could go to Camp David, but he isn't from Camp David. He could eat off the dollar menu and fire the WH kitchen staff too and save us some money. He could grow pot on the south lawn and make us some money. Not everything in the universe is about the cost-benefit.
 
TheNextEra said:
Much of the costs is incurred by sercret service, Airforce one on standby, etc. no matter whether the president leaves the White House. The president DOES pay for hotel costs, food, etc. but since his salary is payed for by the government (i.e. taxpayer money), people also add that costs to "taxpayer" incurred expenses.
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Is there a breakdown of the costs? I would find that quite interesting.
 
I can't even prove that I'm alive, let alone what other people do. I read all the sources you do. Nowhere could I find a Gates, Buffet or Soros like act of generosity. Accumulating HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars is a tell in itself. I wanted to like Romney but I mostly saw a guy buying the Presidency to give himself a further tax cut.

I knew I would NOT vote for Obama. He's a terrible manager. But I look for certain characteristics in people and Romney flunked mt caring and generosity test. Feel free to prove otherwise - I've been wrong a few times in my life. I've been challenged on this topic before and nobody gave me anything but generic "oooh, he's Mr. Wonderful" responses.

When you have that kind of money, you should be known for charity. As a percentage, I've given far more to charity than he has. And of course, it's just my OPINION.

That was a big deal to me because I think Romney has MUCH better management skills than Obama. I have my own judgements, sorry if you view other things as being more important.

I voted for Johnson BTW.


UtahBill said:
You are smarter than this....Romney only gave to his church? not likely true.....
Of course, if you can prove it, I will agree with you.....but I think you can't...
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TheNextEra said:
Did you say the same thing about Bush and his vacations?
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The point of my post:

1. Benghazi crisis, he went to a fundraiser instead of returning to the White House.
2. East coast disaster, he went there to rev-up his campaign.

And, in the current situation, I think announcing his big vacations plans sends a bad signal.

Finally, are you ever going to let go of the Bush excuse card. It's tantamount to saying Bush was a AH so Obama can be one too. So, Obama can do anything Bush did, and its OK. The last time I had to explain that this was ridicules reasoning, my kids were about 10 years old.
 
specklebang said:
I can't even prove that I'm alive, let alone what other people do. I read all the sources you do. Nowhere could I find a Gates, Buffet or Soros like act of generosity. Accumulating HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars is a tell in itself. I wanted to like Romney but I mostly saw a guy buying the Presidency to give himself a further tax cut.

I knew I would NOT vote for Obama. He's a terrible manager. But I look for certain characteristics in people and Romney flunked mt caring and generosity test. Feel free to prove otherwise - I've been wrong a few times in my life. I've been challenged on this topic before and nobody gave me anything but generic "oooh, he's Mr. Wonderful" responses.

When you have that kind of money, you should be known for charity. As a percentage, I've given far more to charity than he has. And of course, it's just my OPINION.

That was a big deal to me because I think Romney has MUCH better management skills than Obama. I have my own judgements, sorry if you view other things as being more important.

I voted for Johnson BTW.
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your mindset on this issue is not likely reversible....
If you make a claim, you should be willing to back it up with some facts, or at least some evidence, Making a claim and inviting others to prove you wrong is lazy. There is currently a thread on that....:2razz:
 
Tonawanda said:
The point of my post:

1. Benghazi crisis, he went to a fundraiser instead of returning to the White House.
2. East coast disaster, he went there to rev-up his campaign.

And, in the current situation, I think announcing his big vacations plans sends a bad signal.

Finally, are you ever going to let go of the Bush excuse card. It's tantamount to saying Bush was a AH so Obama can be one too. So, Obama can do anything Bush did, and its OK. The last time I had to explain that this was ridicules reasoning, my kids were about 10 years old.
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People aren't pointing out what Bush did to say it's ok for Obama. There pointing it out to display the hypocrisy of those on the right.

If you bitch about the costs of having Obama president but didn't care about the costs of any other president, you are a hypocrite and can't be taken seriously. This whole thread could make for a case study in conservative delusion.
 
TheNextEra said:
If you understood how federal money worked, you would know why you cannot simply allocate it elsewhere.

It is foolish to think a president should NEVER go on vacation. Cost is incurred no matter whether the president leaves the White House or not.

He is visiting his home state like previous presidents have done in the past. Sorry you don't like it, get over it.
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No it is not.

Use your head.

If a POTUS spends $10 million on personal travel one year and then $2 million the next - that means that the government has to spend $8 million less dollars on the President's travel expenses or Air Force One costs or whatever the applicable cost(s) is.

Are you seriously suggesting that when a President incurs less travel expenses one year over the last one that the government, if it does exactly the same things otherwise, will still have exactly the same spending costs?

No offense - but you cannot be that dense.

Sure, they might say 'Hey, look extra money 'cause Obama didn't use it. Let's go get hookers for everyone and put it on his travel tab.'

But the point is, that money will be saved until otherwise spent on other, non-related things.
 
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Fisher said:
He is from Hawaii. If he were from Baltimore, it would be cheaper. The President has no control over what the Secret Service does to protect him and that comes at a cost. Sure he could go to Camp David, but he isn't from Camp David. He could eat off the dollar menu and fire the WH kitchen staff too and save us some money. He could grow pot on the south lawn and make us some money. Not everything in the universe is about the cost-benefit.
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What is he - a salmon?

He will drop dead if he does not make it home every Christmas?


Give me a break...lol.


He can vacation close to home while he is in office.

If he doesn't like it - tough...don't take the job.
 
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No. I carefully stated it was an opinion. I can't prove Romney didn't murder anybody either. There are no articles about what he DIDN'T do so your request is not reasonable. You're being the lazy one here.

What kind of evidence would I provide? Thew murder weapon? The "lack" of something is not evidence based. If he donated $50M to help ??? you should be able to make me the fool in one quick minute.



UtahBill said:
your mindset on this issue is not likely reversible....
If you make a claim, you should be willing to back it up with some facts, or at least some evidence, Making a claim and inviting others to prove you wrong is lazy. There is currently a thread on that....:2razz:
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DA60 said:
Awwwwe...pooor baby.

As I posted above - it's about $3 million just to fly Air Force One (with equipment) to Hawaii and back. He could not find somewhere closer to Washington to relax? He is going to drop dead from exhaustion unless he spends $3M tax dollars and gets to Hawaii?

Give me a break.

No one forced him to take the job - he knew it would be stressful.

But if going to Hawaii is more important to him then helping the poor with $3 million dollars saved from flying there - fine...he will be judged accordingly. He is a selfish dickhead...on top of being a crummy President.

Hope and Change my ass.

More of the Same is more like it.
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still bent out of shape that you lost the election?

LOL, sorry for your tragic loss
 
Obama himself said he inherited the worst economy since the great depression and that very same economy is still with us. As hoards of Americans go on food stamps, lose their homes, have their unemployment insurance run out and go to the food bank for a crappy Thanksgiving meal Obama takes two 727s to Hawaii on a 20 day 4 mill luxury vacation. That's right TWO jets instead of the one that every other president has used. Apparently obama needs a special cargo jet for his toys. He lives it up while America is "in the worst economy since the great depression", some leader huh. You'd think the man would show a little restraint in his spending. DISGUSTING!
 
Tonawanda said:
The point of my post:

1. Benghazi crisis, he went to a fundraiser instead of returning to the White House.
2. East coast disaster, he went there to rev-up his campaign.

And, in the current situation, I think announcing his big vacations plans sends a bad signal.

Finally, are you ever going to let go of the Bush excuse card. It's tantamount to saying Bush was a AH so Obama can be one too. So, Obama can do anything Bush did, and its OK. The last time I had to explain that this was ridicules reasoning, my kids were about 10 years old.
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It's funny how conservatives had NO problem with Bush going on vacations, even voted for him twice, but are now complaining about Obama. Your faux outrage is noted and quite amusing though. Please continue on your littel "outrage" at Obama, it's making my day laughing at you and the others complaining.
 
DA60 said:
No it is not.

Use your head.

If a POTUS spends $10 million on personal travel one year and then $2 million the next - that means that the government has to spend $8 million less dollars on the President's travel expenses or Air Force One costs or whatever the applicable cost(s) is.

Are you seriously suggesting that when a President incurs less travel expenses one year over the last one that the government, if it does exactly the same things otherwise, will still have exactly the same spending costs?

No offense - but you cannot be that dense.

Sure, they might say 'Hey, look extra money 'cause Obama didn't use it. Let's go get hookers for everyone and put it on his travel tab.'

But the point is, that money will be saved until otherwise spent on other, non-related things.
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You know, it's completely pointless explaining anything to you as you have a "Obama is the devil" mindset because he goes on vacataion like ANY OTHER PRESIDENT you have or would have voted for.

But continue your false outrage, I'm laughing at you and the others over it. It's making my day honestly.
 
madman said:
still bent out of shape that you lost the election?

LOL, sorry for your tragic loss
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LOL...you people just cannot stop putting words in my mouth when you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.


I was hoping that he would win.

I make my living as an investor - and most of my investments are in gold/silver. And gold bugs like me have done VERY WELL with Obama in power.

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http://www.goldprice.org/gold-price-history.html

And as long as he keeps spending more and more while supporting the Fed doing the same and keeping interest rates ridiculously low - my gold and silver will continue to (overall) do great.

So no - I was pleased as punch that he won.

Oh sure, it was bad for the nation (though Romney would not have been that much better, imo).

But it was GREAT for me.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Obama himself said he inherited the worst economy since the great depression and that very same economy is still with us. As hoards of Americans go on food stamps, lose their homes, have their unemployment insurance run out and go to the food bank for a crappy Thanksgiving meal Obama takes two 727s to Hawaii on a 20 day 4 mill luxury vacation. That's right TWO jets instead of the one that every other president has used. Apparently obama needs a special cargo jet for his toys. He lives it up while America is "in the worst economy since the great depression", some leader huh. You'd think the man would show a little restraint in his spending. DISGUSTING!
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/cues violins playing.

Oh the sweet desperate cries of a "compationate conservative" saying "please think of all the Americans suffering". :roll:

Do you complaing about YOUR politicians that go on vacations while America is suffering? Do you call on all the blowheart conservatives like Rush and Sean, and Mark Levin to poor their extra dollars towards helping the "suffering" Americans? Or is this all faux outrage because a Dem President is doing what GOP presidents have done in the past?
 
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