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Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

TheNextEra said:
Most of that cost is what it would cost him to visit ANYWHERE else in the U.S. The restrictions, secret-service, etc. are all costs that happen no matter where the president is.

Don't like a president visiting his place of birth, don't vote for someone from Hawaii. Funny though, I can't seem to find any posts from you complaining about GOP president travels and costs, I wonder why that is?
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If Obama didnt go on this 20 day vacation the saving would be about 175,000 dollars - cost of fuel, pilots etc

The cost for maintaining the banksters and CEOs of the US Corpocracy is in the Billions of dollars and they caused the Financial mess, and they were the ones who received the trillions in bail outs

Some perspective here folks

And Obama is really a low cost Corporate Puppet clown - a bargain basement sale as far as waste of US tax money is concerned

(look at the Crooks at Goldman Scahs and the criminals who run the Federal Reserve)
 
Because $4 million will just absolutely spiral the country into deficit.....Frankly, he could probably use a vacation, perhaps he will regain sense?
 
A President is never on vacation, even when he is.
 
TheNextEra said:
Did you say the same thing about Bush and his vacations?
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Actually, Bush usually took his own private jet to his own home in Texas. I had a buddy who was the crew chief on Marine One while Dubya was POTUS and the only costs incurred by Bush were for the Secret Service, who would have been paid anyway regardless of where they were.
Now, can we drop the Bush crap? Seriously, the dude left office 4 years ago. President Obama loves to state that we are in the "worst economy since the Great Depression" yet he lives above the fray. He doesn't reflect the state of the American people. Sometimes, regardless of the cost or actual resources that will be used, a vacation isn't the kosher thing to do. Right now, with the fiscal cliff looming, an extremely complex controversy brewing, and unemployment that is not improving, the American people don't need to see their "leader" going on vacation.
 
Klown said:
If Obama didnt go on this 20 day vacation the saving would be about 175,000 dollars - cost of fuel, pilots etc

The cost for maintaining the banksters and CEOs of the US Corpocracy is in the Billions of dollars and they caused the Financial mess, and they were the ones who received the trillions in bail outs

Some perspective here folks

And Obama is really a low cost Corporate Puppet clown - a bargain basement sale as far as waste of US tax money is concerned

(look at the Crooks at Goldman Scahs and the criminals who run the Federal Reserve)
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As I posted elsewhere in this thread...for the record...Air Force One costs about $180,000 per hour, not per trip. And it is about 17 hours to Hawaii and back...that is over $3 million just to get there and back.
 
Sarcogito said:
A President is never on vacation, even when he is.
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You can't tell that to those who have their panties in a twist over this. All they care about is making a fuss over nothing. They want to believe Obama is pissing money down the drain. They want him to be evil.
 
shlunka said:
Because $4 million will just absolutely spiral the country into deficit.....
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That attitude is what got us to the "fiscal cliff". I realize you are being tongue in cheek. Your comment made me think of that.
 
Top Cat said:
You can't tell that to those who have their panties in a twist over this. All they care about is making a fuss over nothing. They want to believe Obama is pissing money down the drain. They want him to be evil.
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He isn't pissing money down the drain? When did this stop? I didn't see it on the news anywhere. Even MSNBC didn't report that.
 
TheNextEra said:
Don't like a president visiting his place of birth, don't vote for someone from Hawaii Kenia. Funny though, I can't seem to find any posts from you complaining about GOP president travels and costs, I wonder why that is?
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Quoted for accuracy.

I jest, of course, and yes the Left complained when Bush played golf or anything. It's tradition for the minority party to complain about the President taking a vacation.
 
head of joaquin said:
Yeah, he crashed that too.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

The only thing Bush didn't crash was that jet when he landed on an aircraft carrier and claimed "mission accomplished." Regrettablly.
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I don't believe your boy would have ever gotten OBL if it weren't for the ground work laid by Pres Bush in this realm. Iraq was Pres Bush's war. We're looking pretty good there. Afghanistan is Pres Obama's. We'll be leaving there with our tail between our legs shortly.
 
Bush DID receive criticism for his vacations. Now when Obama takes a vacation, and people complain about it... they're in the wrong?

If only people could get their heads out of their asses for one minute and realize that power corrupts anyone who has that much of it. Every national politician, the President most especially, is living high on the hog, all paid for with tax dollars.

"Did you complain when Bush did it?" Well... didn't you?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Bush DID receive criticism for his vacations. Now when Obama takes a vacation, and people complain about it... they're in the wrong?

If only people could get their heads out of their asses for one minute and realize that power corrupts anyone who has that much of it. Every national politician, the President most especially, is living high on the hog, all paid for with tax dollars.

"Did you complain when Bush did it?" Well... didn't you?
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LBJ was the first President to do it. Technology allowed him to and he took full advantage of it.
 
wolfman24 said:
And how is this different from Congress, SCOTUS or any other high ranking government official. You think they actually take fact finding visits? or junkits? uh HUH.
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The President is a servant to the American people. Taking a 20 day vacation that costs the taxpayers 4 million dollars isn't serving the people. Perhaps I was just brought up to believe that a leader makes sacrifices for the good of the people he leads, and I'm just not seeing that from him, or any of our politicians.
 
head of joaquin said:
Pretending that the president taking a vacation is an issue. It shows how intellectually bankrupt conservatives have become. Basically conservatism is a joke.
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Oh ok, well I was just checking is all..



Tim-
 
DA60 said:
Why can he not do all this after 2016 and give the $4 million he saves to the poor?

What, living in the White House is too confining?

Awwww - poor baby.

Why doesn't he go to a shelter in D.C. and complain to the poor there that living in the W.H. is too confining for him?

Selfish jerk.
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What an ignorant posting! The only reason for it is your intense hatred for President Obama. Sad, really.
 
Texmex said:
What an ignorant posting! The only reason for it is your intense hatred for President Obama. Sad, really.
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Speaking of ignorant posts?

Hey ignoramus? I don't 'hate' anyone.

I think lots of people are jerks that I do not hate.

And I would think the same thing if GWB or when Clinton had his pathetic hair cut while sitting on the Tarmac back when.

WHY are people so monumentally asinine that they automAtically assume that if you dislike Obama's politics, that you must hate all that is Obama.

Actually, I have said mny times that the guy seems very interesting. I would love to have a beer with the guy

But as a POTUS - he sucks...big time.

Just like GWB and Clinton and so on.

Only political losers are loyal to parties. Wise people always keep an open mind.

I am not wise - but I am not dumb enough to make blanket assumptions about people on the basis of single statements.
 
Obama bashing will not end until 2016.
 
DA60 said:
As I posted elsewhere in this thread...for the record...Air Force One costs about $180,000 per hour, not per trip. And it is about 17 hours to Hawaii and back...that is over $3 million just to get there and back.
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Where are you getting these numbers for Air Force One? A commercial 747 costs a fraction of that.

edit: This number is all over the various news sites, but I'm having a hard time figuring out why its so different from a commercial plane. They say its just the operating costs of the airplane. Extra crew maybe?

edit2: Aha, I bet its largely caused by extra maintenance. Air Force One's maintenance program is probably a bit more stringent than Delta's. ;)
 
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DA60 said:
1-'Why can he not do all this after 2016 and give the $4 million he saves to the poor?
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Most of that 4 million is cost incurred by having Airforce one on standby, Secret Service, etc. You cannot just donate that money to charity. The president doesn't have that power.

DA60 said:
2- What, living in the White House is too confining?
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Unless you have griped about every other president in the past taking vacations, Obama isn't doing anything out of the norm.

DA60 said:
3-I will ask you again, do you not think it would be a great gesture at Christmas for Obama to forgo this trip and spend that saved millions of dollars at local food banks/shelters/make a Wish foundations/ etc?
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See #1 answer, this is the same ****ing question.

DA60 said:
4-I asked you what happens if the POTUS does not use all of the travel/security budget allocated to him? Prove to me why it cannot be allocated elsewhere?
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The president doesn't have that power to just allocate it elsewhere.

DA60 said:
5-He cannot vacation near to home?
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The same reason OTHER presidents in the past couldn't. His HOME is in Hawaii.

DA60 said:
6-Are you seriously suggesting that when a President incurs less travel expenses one year over the last one that the government, if it does exactly the same things otherwise, will still have exactly the same spending costs?
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In the costs of secret service, Airforce one on standby (minus fuel), yes.

DA60 said:
Not that I really care that much now what you think - but you asked for these...now please answer them.
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Now, answer mine, who are the past 4 president candidates that you voted for?

DA60 said:
Have a less trolling day.
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You seem to be fine doing that all on your own.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Actually, Bush usually took his own private jet to his own home in Texas. I had a buddy who was the crew chief on Marine One while Dubya was POTUS and the only costs incurred by Bush were for the Secret Service, who would have been paid anyway regardless of where they were.
Now, can we drop the Bush crap? Seriously, the dude left office 4 years ago. President Obama loves to state that we are in the "worst economy since the Great Depression" yet he lives above the fray. He doesn't reflect the state of the American people. Sometimes, regardless of the cost or actual resources that will be used, a vacation isn't the kosher thing to do. Right now, with the fiscal cliff looming, an extremely complex controversy brewing, and unemployment that is not improving, the American people don't need to see their "leader" going on vacation.
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Um the remodeling costs were done on the taxpayer dime.'

As before, you and others seem to have a problem with a Dem president doing something GOP presidents have done. Unemployment was high under Bush as well as debt. Don't act or pretend otherwise if you do not want to look foolish.
 
wolfman24 said:
And you don't think he doesn't How?

Daily briefings, meetings (internet), papers to work on and sign. I know of no president not even Johnson who did not work on their vacations
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I wish I could telecommute from Hawaii when I had work to do.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
All I can say is, unbelievable! This man is spending 4 million TAXPAYER dollars on a luxury vacation is the US economy teeters on the verge of a double dip recession and he himself is calling for higher taxes instead of reduced spending. You guys still proud you voted for this idiot?

"President Obama is reportedly scheduled to be vacationing in Hawaii on January 2, the date billions in spending cuts – and untold consequences for the economy – will kick in if a deal is not reached on the “fiscal cliff.”According to the Hawaii Reporter, residents who live in the area of Oahu where Obama and his family vacation have been told that the usual restrictions on their movements during an Obama stay will be in place for 21 days, from December 17 through January 6"


.The Yeshiva World Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation « » Frum Jewish News
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Yeah... look: I don't like Obama, didn't vote for him, have a low opinion of him in general.

BUT... this is just not a big deal. Being President is an incredibly stressful job (look at how most of them age in office), and they need those vacations.

Given that the Prez can't just hop in the family Buick and drive down to Pensacola for the weekend on a whim, any Presidential vacation is going to run into some serious money. There are security considerations, housing for Secret Service, staff that has to be on-hand in the event of an emergency, all that stuff.

I'm all for criticising Obama for legitimate mistakes and misjudgements, but this is kinda petty really.


Also four mil is not even a drop in the bucket when you look at a government that wastes hundreds of BiLLIONS...
 
Obviously the average american's problems have nothing to do with the president if he can afford to take 4 mil vacations. Dude is going to leave his post for a 20 day vacation??? 0_0

Impeach. :p
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Obviously the average american's problems have nothing to do with the president if he can afford to take 4 mil vacations. Dude is going to leave his post for a 20 day vacation??? 0_0

Impeach. :p
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The funny (and sad) part is that you actually think the president is leaving his post for 20 days when he goes on vacation like he isn't going to be doing any work. Here's a hint and I know it's hard for some to understand, when the president goes on vacation, he really doesn't stop working.
 
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