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Obama to GOP: I’m done negotiating with myself

I reiterate: for four years you people have acted like petulant children. No more. The time has come to take you to the woodshed for your lashing.

Continuing to avoid your fallacious assertion I see...confused on who needs the lashing...:lamo
 
Yep, Obama's "compromise" plan is 1.6 trillion in tax hikes over 10 years, complete elimination of the debt ceiling, with 0 spending cuts.

Amazing.

Yes that is amazing, however for a liberal it's really not, liberals love taking more of your hard earned money, and when that's not enough they borrow it. Liberals are all about tax, borrow, spend, and freebees

What we have here is a liberal left wing party that does not want to cut any spending, and be damned the rise in the national debt vs a party trying to keep the ship from sinking. What is really amazing is Obama and his liberal clan could care less when the ship sinks.
 
‘Also’? Thanks for reposting precisely the passage included in the OP. That will help…


Considering this:

Why would the GOP be offering a proposal?...they lost, as you stated. Does it seem logical for the loser to dictate his terms for loss?

You won…own it!

Then they need to vote for Obama's proposal......otherwise they need to make a counteroffer. That's how negotiations work, I guess Republicans think saying NO is negotiating.
 
Yes that is amazing, however for a liberal it's really not, liberals love taking more of your hard earned money, and when that's not enough they borrow it. Liberals are all about tax, borrow, spend, and freebees

What we have here is a liberal left wing party that does not want to cut any spending, and be damned the rise in the national debt vs a party trying to keep the ship from sinking. What is really amazing is Obama and his liberal clan could care less when the ship sinks.

No Republican administration has cut the deficit since Eisenhower. Saying no to everything Obama wants is all they are doing. THey have no clue how to cut spending.
 
Yes that is amazing, however for a liberal it's really not, liberals love taking more of your hard earned money, and when that's not enough they borrow it. Liberals are all about tax, borrow, spend, and freebees

What we have here is a liberal left wing party that does not want to cut any spending, and be damned the rise in the national debt vs a party trying to keep the ship from sinking. What is really amazing is Obama and his liberal clan could care less when the ship sinks.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that national debt just started with Obama. Previous GOP presidents have FAILED to reduce the debt as well. Yet you blame liberals for all the debt woes.
 
Then they need to vote for Obama's proposal......otherwise they need to make a counteroffer. That's how negotiations work, I guess Republicans think saying NO is negotiating.

I actually think this is a good idea (vote 'on' instead of 'for'). Have the 'whoever' write up the legislation that includes the President's proposal, bring it to the floor and see how many DEMOCRATS will vote for it...do you REALLY believe they will support giving the president, any president, the power to 'unilaterally raise the U.S. borrowing ceiling'?

Obama's opening fiscal cliff bid seeks debt limit hike, stimulus | Reuters

I believe it to be overly presumptious that the Democrats in Congress will 'fall in line' with the President's proposals but until/unless the legislation is WRITTEN UP and presented we will never know...
 
Exactly. That's why we have to find a way to increase the amount of taxes the burger flippers pay.

Is that the message you got?

It is spending that is crippling the United States and the debt is higher then will ever be paid back. In fact there is sufficient money going to Washington but most of it is being wasted.

Over $4,000,000,000,000 in debts accumulated during Obama's first four years and does anyone know where it went? Infrastructure? High speed rail? Underground wiring that would have helped saved place like New Jersey during Sandy? No, it just disappeared and nobody is asking where it all went. Instead they want more of the same policies so they vote in more of this.

The American people of the past tended to be far more fiscally sophisticated than what we see now.
 
would you agree that debt as a % of gdp is an accurate measurement of our nations debt?

Not anymore. You could have used that ratio prior to government social programs and when there was a national will to pay down debts. Now such will no longer exists because social programs, and there is always a new one on the way, take precedence over debt repayment. There is no plan to even present a budget, much pass a budget or pay down the debt. No system can operate like that indefinitely.
 
And your link has what to do with anything I said how?

I mean Republicans blame Democrats and Democrats blame Republicans but "We, the people" just bicker back and forth as much as the political parties themselves. There are just political sides now, different self interest groups, and Americans are becoming ever more divided as to who gets what, and who should pay more.etc.

It's like watching children in a playground bicker about whose fault it is without anyone seriously confronting the problem.
 
I mean Republicans blame Democrats and Democrats blame Republicans but "We, the people" just bicker back and forth as much as the political parties themselves. There are just political sides now, different self interest groups, and Americans are becoming ever more divided as to who gets what, and who should pay more.etc.

It's like watching children in a playground bicker about whose fault it is without anyone seriously confronting the problem.

I don't disagree with anything you just said there. The question though is, how can we proceed? I don't know the answer to this one given our current situation.

Both sides have to give BIG sacrifices if we are to fix this financial mess. There isn't a silver bullet from one side that can fix everything.
 
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that national debt just started with Obama. Previous GOP presidents have FAILED to reduce the debt as well. Yet you blame liberals for all the debt woes.

Obama has raised the national debt by 6 trillion in just 4 yrs and is on track to raise it another 4+ Trillion in the next four years. For a total of 10 trillion in just 8 years trumping all the president combined. Now tell me what liberal Obama and clan want to cut in spending. All I see Liberal Obama wanting to do is tax, borrow, spend and give freebees.
 
Obama has raised the national debt by 6 trillion in just 4 yrs and is on track to raise it another 4+ Trillion in the next four years. For a total of 10 trillion in just 8 years trumping all the president combined. Now tell me what liberal Obama and clan want to cut in spending. All I see Liberal Obama wanting to do is tax, borrow, spend and give freebees.

And all I've seen are GOP candidates and previsou GOP presidents that believe in corporate welfare and spending. What's your point?

You seem to think that because Obama has raised the most debt (which in 2008 Bush at that time had raised the most debt) and seem to think the GOP will be bettter. Each president has raised the debt more than the previous president. What does that say about the GOP/Dem duopoly?

You want to blame liberals. I see the reality that both the Dems and Reps are to blame. Yet, you continue on the mindeset that the GOP is better even though they have proven time and time again to be just like the Dems.
 
what does the average working pay into social security, medicare and medicaid vs what they take out?

To answer that would be a pretty big analysis since inevitably some people are on medicare longer, others are not, some die before collecting on either. In all, everyone stands to benefit from these "entitlement" programs.

If you want to argue who uses more services, though, I'd be happy to have that argument. I'd be willing to bet that Mitt Romney has cost the US government more than the average Joe solely in court costs incurred to quash peoples' claims to pensions that he and his company gutted to make a buck. That's not to mention the proportional military costs incurred to protect all of Romney's wealth and property.
 
I don't disagree with anything you just said there. The question though is, how can we proceed? I don't know the answer to this one given our current situation.

Both sides have to give BIG sacrifices if we are to fix this financial mess. There isn't a silver bullet from one side that can fix everything.

Americans had the opportunity to elect a President experienced in turning around economies but instead they made dogs on cars the issue and allowed themselves to wage war against 'the rich'. In deciding to continue with the same policies and drift that gave them the mess they are in now they have assured that the next generation of Americans, those who survive the abortion mills anyway, are completely screwed. The Me Generation has earned its reputation and, seriously, there is nothing you can now do. It's been done.

There is no longer the collective will to correct the situation since America became a nation of victims.
 
I'd be willing to bet that Mitt Romney has cost the US government more than the average Joe solely in court costs incurred to quash peoples' claims to pensions that he and his company gutted to make a buck. That's not to mention the proportional military costs incurred to protect all of Romney's wealth and property.

Mitt Romney has paid more in taxes than you and your entire family will earn in your lifetime.

Unless you have some evidence of what you are saying your willingness to bet isn't worth a great deal.
 
And all I've seen are GOP candidates and previsou GOP presidents that believe in corporate welfare and spending. What's your point?

You seem to think that because Obama has raised the most debt (which in 2008 Bush at that time had raised the most debt) and seem to think the GOP will be bettter. Each president has raised the debt more than the previous president. What does that say about the GOP/Dem duopoly?

You want to blame liberals. I see the reality that both the Dems and Reps are to blame. Yet, you continue on the mindeset that the GOP is better even though they have proven time and time again to be just like the Dems.

I asked you to tell me what the liberals have in mind for cuts, you come back with rhetoric. The liberals have offered nothing in the way of cuts, nothing. All I see is more liberal tax, borrow, spend and give free stuff.

And to think that every president spends more than the last is ludicrous. Obama will have spent more than all the president combined, but your good with that, why because you want to tax, borrow, spend, and give free stuff.

"Geithner suggested $1.6 trillion in tax increases, McConnell says, but showed “minimal or no interest” in spending cuts."

McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan | The Weekly Standard
 
Mitt Romney has paid more in taxes than you and your entire family will earn in your lifetime.

Unless you have some evidence of what you are saying your willingness to bet isn't worth a great deal.

He's probably incurred more taxpayer-incurred court costs in his pursuit of wealth than I have earned in my lifetime, but that's beside the point. Would you care to prove that the wealthy contribute more than they draw on government resources? I don't recall making billions of dollars off of "rebuilding Iraq" like some of these defense contractor company owners.

Also, it doesn't matter if Romney paid a greater dollar amount of taxes. Your argument would suggest that if Romney paid $1 more than me in taxes, that would be unfair for him. The relative value of money is something that you need to understand to understand taxes.
 
Not anymore. You could have used that ratio prior to government social programs and when there was a national will to pay down debts. Now such will no longer exists because social programs, and there is always a new one on the way, take precedence over debt repayment. There is no plan to even present a budget, much pass a budget or pay down the debt. No system can operate like that indefinitely.


You spout nonsense. The only way that you can honestly get an accurate measurement of our debt is % of gdp. But I understand why you want to disregard that fact .The last republican president that DIDN,T increase the debt an a % of gdp was fifty one years ago by President Eisenhower.

The reason for BO's debt was the record set during bush number two's recession;where he set an all-time record by increasing the debt by $1.1 trillion in 100 days.(July 30 and Nov 9, 2008).BUTT...BO's got four more years, much to the chagrin of the republican party to pull our collective asses out of the debt spiral that the republicans(the pretenders that run on the republican ticket.)always leave the nation.
 
Look what we have here. Another Democrat saying elections have consequences. How many times do you have to say it before you're happy?

Just a few more times.
 
All I see is more liberal tax, borrow, spend and give free stuff.

Versus the GOP method od tax cuts, spend and give free stuff. I guess that's ok by you since you voted for Bush twice.

...but your good with that, why because you want to tax, borrow, spend, and give free stuff.

Since I didn't vote for Obama, how am I good with that? I suggest you spend more time with reading comprehension, or show me the proof where I am ok with that?
 
Americans had the opportunity to elect a President experienced in turning around economies but instead they made dogs on cars the issue and allowed themselves to wage war against 'the rich'. In deciding to continue with the same policies and drift that gave them the mess they are in now they have assured that the next generation of Americans, those who survive the abortion mills anyway, are completely screwed. The Me Generation has earned its reputation and, seriously, there is nothing you can now do. It's been done.

There is no longer the collective will to correct the situation since America became a nation of victims.

LOL you actually believe things would have been different with ROmney? Boy were you duped. Romney has flipped flopped so many times you can't tell which Romney was going to do what.

I said this before the election, no matter whether Romney or Obama was president nothing was going to be much different. The Dem/Rep Duopoly is what is hurting America because BOTH sides don't want to do what's necessary to turn this country around. BOTH sides want their sacred cows kept INTACT.
 
You spout nonsense. The only way that you can honestly get an accurate measurement of our debt is % of gdp. But I understand why you want to disregard that fact .The last republican president that DIDN,T increase the debt an a % of gdp was fifty one years ago by President Eisenhower.

And the Eisenhower Administration was well before LBJ's 'Great Society' and the growth of 'entitlements'.

Why $16 Trillion Only Hints at the True U.S. Debt - Yahoo! Finance

The reason for BO's debt was the record set during bush number two's recession;where he set an all-time record by increasing the debt by $1.1 trillion in 100 days.(July 30 and Nov 9, 2008).BUTT...BO's got four more years, much to the chagrin of the republican party to pull our collective asses out of the debt spiral that the republicans(the pretenders that run on the republican ticket.)always leave the nation.

Yes, I'm familiar with the blame game but there are a sufficient number of American people who are more concerned with their entitlements and continued government spending then to do what is right for the country. Blaming others is the easiest part. The harder part is doing something about it. The political will do something about it just isn't there, neither by the politicians or the majority of the people themselves.
 
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