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Obama to GOP: I’m done negotiating with myself

As documented above, history shows those of us interested in looking at it, that the effective tax rates for the wealthy were higher than anything being proposed today.

Trickle down economics was a failed experiment and the people have rejected it.

How many dodges is that for you in this thread? Your propaganda is filled with more holes than swiss cheese.

US Has Highest Corporate Tax Rate in Developed World, Topping Japan

"As countries such as Canada and the United Kingdom have moved to reform their tax systems and lower rates to encourage economic growth, America's inaction puts American worldwide companies at a competitive disadvantage and threatens our economic recovery," said Bruce Josten, an official at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

We get it though. The Marxists/Collectivist/Socialists that you worship say "trickle down economics" and objectify/characterize successful Americans as evil, you want your hand out, so you lap it up and repeat their talking points.

JFK (A Democrat)

Income Tax Cut, JFK Hopes To Spur Economy 1962/8/13 - YouTube

What is your projected % of GDP Growth once we raise taxes on small businesses and evil rich people. Give me a number if you're so smart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScMvZinMb6E
 
How many dodges is that for you in this thread? Your propaganda is filled with more holes than swiss cheese.

So you define a dodge as when someone refutes your opinion with facts? That's good to know.

JFK (A Democrat)

I am happy to go back to the effective tax rates under Kennedy! :)


What is your projected % of GDP Growth once we raise taxes on small businesses and evil rich people. Give me a number if you're so smart.

No one is proposing to raise taxes on 98% of small businesses. And I have not heard anyone say the rich are evil. There is no reason we cannot return to the debt to GDP ratio we were at under Clinton.
 
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And the strawman that the majority of Americans want tax increases has been officially debunked. 41% of people who voted for Obama actually want spending cuts. What % of people who voted for Romney wanted tax increases? Want to take a guess?

Poll: President Obama voters split on deficit - POLITICO.com Print View

Yet 41 percent who supported the Democratic incumbent want to get control of the deficit mostly by cutting spending, with only some tax increases, while another 41 percent want to solve it mostly with tax increases and only some spending cuts.

Just 5 percent of Obama supporters favor tax increases alone to solve the deficit, half the number who back an approach that relies entirely on spending cuts.

:2wave:
 
And the strawman that the majority of Americans want tax increases has been officially debunked. 41% of people who voted for Obama actually want spending cuts. What % of people who voted for Romney wanted tax increases? Want to take a guess?

Poll: President Obama voters split on deficit - POLITICO.com Print View



:2wave:



Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy

"With the fiscal cliff drawing closer, raising taxes on wealthy Americans remains a popular option. And while the public divides closely on reducing federal income tax deductions, two-thirds oppose another possibility, raising the age for Medicare eligibility.

Sixty percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll support raising taxes on incomes more than $250,000 a year, long a popular option overall, but also a divisive one: While 73 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of independents are in favor, far fewer Republicans, 39 percent, agree.

See PDF with full results and charts here."

Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy - ABC News
 
That number would have been about right if he woulda let the bush tax-cuts expire the last time.

or unemployment after 26 weeks
 
So you define a dodge as when someone refutes your opinion with facts. That's good to know.

You've refuted nada. You are dodging with limp talking points.

Do you understand the fundamental difference between "taxable income" and what people actually earn? You understand how the Effective Tax Rate works right? I thought not. A lot of compensation wasn't counted as taxable income back then.

I am happy to go back to the effective tax rates under Kennedy! :)

And you would also be in favor of reinstating all those deductions and loopholes right? hahaha

Back then you could deduct business travel, business meals, interest payments, all kinds of things. Companies would loan their employees housing and other benefits that could be written off. There were numerous tax shelters that people took advantage of. Hell if you took your wife on a business trip with you, you could write it off.

No one is proposing to raise taxes on 98% of small businesses. And I have not heard anyone say the rich are evil. There is no reason we cannot return to the debt to GDP ration we were at under Clinton.

Oh but you are when you factor in STATE INCOME TAX rates as well as adjustments for inflation. Man this is like shooting fish in a barrel. Too easy. Look I don't really want to waste any more time educating you. My advice would be to turn off MSNBC and go back to school. Take an economics class. You might learn something.
 
Do you understand the fundamental difference between "taxable income" and what people actually earn?

Yes, I do, that is why the study I referenced compared "effective tax rates".
 
Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy

"With the fiscal cliff drawing closer, raising taxes on wealthy Americans remains a popular option. And while the public divides closely on reducing federal income tax deductions, two-thirds oppose another possibility, raising the age for Medicare eligibility.

Sixty percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll support raising taxes on incomes more than $250,000 a year, long a popular option overall, but also a divisive one: While 73 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of independents are in favor, far fewer Republicans, 39 percent, agree.

See PDF with full results and charts here."

Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy - ABC News

From your own link. Did you even read it?

Notably, “strong” support for raising taxes on the well-off is nearly double strong opposition, 42 vs. 23 percent. That’s because 57 percent of Democrats are strongly in favor, as are 42 percent of independents, vs. just 22 percent of Republicans.

While well short of a majority, support for a tax increase among four in 10 Republicans may provide some wiggle room to Republican leaders seeking compromise. Some, notably, have indicated a willingness to back off from the no-tax pledge many have taken.

Independents and Republicans are not strongly in favor of raising taxes. It's not a majority. Sorry. Not even Obama voters favor ONLY raising taxes on the wealthy, but this is your little emo strawman that you can't let go because you have nothing else.

Even if the majority was in favor of stringing up all the rich people and confiscating their wealth, it's not going to pay for Obama annual 4T "budget"

So tell everyone what the expected growth in GDP will be once you target small businesses and evil rich people? Inquiring minds want to know
 
Yes, I do, that is why the study I referenced compared "effective tax rates".

Elaborate

You're dodging .... hahaha

Explain how it works smart guy
 
From your own link. Did you even read it?

Yes, the poll results showed majority support for increasing taxes for the wealthy - "73 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of independents are in favor, far fewer Republicans, 39 percent, agree."
 
Elaborate

You're dodging .... hahaha

Explain how it works smart guy


Effective tax rates are what is payed after deductions and loopholes.
 
Obama:
"Give me everythig I want and -I- willl let you vote it into law. Sounds fair to me, so it must be fair."
 
Yes, the poll results showed majority support for increasing taxes for the wealthy - "73 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of independents are in favor, far fewer Republicans, 39 percent, agree."

Look man how old are you? Seriously?

Do I need to cite the Politico poll again that refutes your strawman. ONLY raising taxes on the wealthy has only 5% support among Obama voters. The majority of Independents and Republicans do not favor taxing the wealthy either and certainly not as the only solution. On the contrary, the majority want spending cuts.

Poll: President Obama voters split on deficit - POLITICO.com Print View

Yet 41 percent who supported the Democratic incumbent want to get control of the deficit mostly by cutting spending, with only some tax increases, while another 41 percent want to solve it mostly with tax increases and only some spending cuts.

Just 5 percent of Obama supporters favor tax increases alone to solve the deficit, half the number who back an approach that relies entirely on spending cuts.

Oh and the majority of Independents and Americans do not like Obamacare, which is the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in history

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/CNN_HealthCare_1126.pdf

So you would be in favor of repealing Obamacare right since the majority want it repealed? That's your emotional argument in regards to tax hikes. Does the same rationality apply to Obamacare?
 
Senate Republican plans are meaningless, as are articles in the National Review. I want to see what Orange tan and the rest of his party are willing to offer up.
So when you said this:
Then let's hear something from Orange tan. Let's hear a Republican proposal. Not the Mittens kind, which has nothing specific in it but a real proposal, with real cuts.

You didn’t really mean ‘Let's hear a Republican proposal'…Since Corker IS a Republican how does he not qualify? And since one of the links was DIRECTLY to Corker’s website that didn’t justify your purview or comment…somehow I believe that WHATEVER was furnished would not satisfy as all you want to do is 'and whine a lot'.

I guess I should not expect:

... ANY other that has been 1)written and 2)scored by EITHER Democrats OR Republicans...

And now YOU...'How about showing some guts?'
Thanks for your participation…:lamo
 
Trickle down economics was a failed experiment and the people have rejected it.

This statement needs to be repeated! :peace :2wave:
 
As documented above, history shows those of us interested in looking at it, that the effective tax rates for the wealthy were higher than anything being proposed today.

Trickle down economics was a failed experiment and the people have rejected it.

History also shows that parroting that the rates were higher has no effect on what people paid nor does it have any effect on why they were lowered. Learn to read the entire book instead of just the parts you want to notice.
 
But not the democrats that have only talked about tax increases for the rich and by all accounts and purposes have been completely uninterested in the process? I never did understand the American people but it seems as time goes on they are making less sense.

In not understanding the American people, you have much in common with the Republican party. They stupidly thought they could give Obama the same 'plan' they gave him before the election, in spite of the fact that - wait for it - we actually had an election! And 60% of the American people agree with the President regarding tax breaks for the super rich.
 
Look man how old are you? Seriously?

Do I need to cite the Politico poll again that refutes your strawman. ONLY raising taxes on the wealthy has only 5% support among Obama voters. The majority of Independents and Republicans do not favor taxing the wealthy either and certainly not as the only solution. On the contrary, the majority want spending cuts.

Poll: President Obama voters split on deficit - POLITICO.com Print View



Oh and the majority of Independents and Americans do not like Obamacare, which is the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in history

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/CNN_HealthCare_1126.pdf

So you would be in favor of repealing Obamacare right since the majority want it repealed? That's your emotional argument in regards to tax hikes. Does the same rationality apply to Obamacare?



You are funny! LOL! Talk about strawman! No one is proposing only increasing revenue.
 
Effective tax rates are what is payed after deductions and loopholes.

Wow how embarrassing. You fail spectacularly. As I stated in a previous post, much of the compensation that was earned during those years you keep championing was not considered taxable income.

Earned Income and taxable income are two entirely different things when it comes to the Government.

Class dismissed

You are funny! LOL! Talk about strawman! No one is proposing only increasing revenue.

Increasing revenue how? There are many ways to accomplish that. The most efficient and effective way, as well as the most beneficial way is ECONOMIC GROWTH.

So come on genius. Tell us what you predict GDP Growth will be once we tax small businesses and the evil rich? It's 1.3% right now. What's it going to be Mr. Krugman?
 
In not understanding the American people, you have much in common with the Republican party. They stupidly thought they could give Obama the same 'plan' they gave him before the election, in spite of the fact that - wait for it - we actually had an election! And 60% of the American people agree with the President regarding tax breaks for the super rich.

Liberals are perhaps the most fun people on the planet. I mention something and in response they change the topic and I'm sure they are not even aware of it. How often does this happen in these debates I wonder?

What did the rich people say about their OWN money?
 
So when you said this:


You didn’t really mean ‘Let's hear a Republican proposal'…Since Corker IS a Republican how does he not qualify? And since one of the links was DIRECTLY to Corker’s website that didn’t justify your purview or comment…somehow I believe that WHATEVER was furnished would not satisfy as all you want to do is 'and whine a lot'.

I guess I should not expect:



And now YOU...'How about showing some guts?'
Thanks for your participation…:lamo

Look, proposals by Republican Senators mean nothing. The Senate has already passed a bill. What is it about that that you don't understand? I want to hear SPECIFICS from Boehner. What specifically does he want to do to Medicare? To Medicaid?

And understand this - if the Republican proposal still contains tax breaks for the top 2%, it's dead in the water. Elections have consequences.
 
Liberals are perhaps the most fun people on the planet. I mention something and in response they change the topic. How often does this happen in these debates I wonder?

Sorry. You had merely pointed out that you didn't understand the American people (although to be fair, one only has to read your posts to realize that). I simply noted that this was a failing you shared with the Republican party.
 
Wow how embarrassing. You fail spectacularly. As I stated in a previous post, much of the compensation that was earned during those years you keep championing was not considered taxable income.

What is taxable income is what Congress decides it will be! You fail again!
 
You are funny! LOL! Talk about strawman! No one is proposing only increasing revenue.

It's called projection. Their wet dream is that we simply cut the hell out of social programs and leave rich guys alone.
 
Sorry. You had merely pointed out that you didn't understand the American people (although to be fair, one only has to read your posts to realize that). I simply noted that this was a failing you shared with the Republican party.

I don't consider not being able to understand illogical people a failing of mine.
 
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