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Obama to GOP: I’m done negotiating with myself

What Obama wants and what he gets are two different things. However, if you feel the need to cry "the sky is falling, the sky is falling", be my guest. It's almost as bad as though claiming that Obama is going to do away with the presidential term limits if he was elected again in 2012.

It's funny watching conservatives act like many did during the Bush era. But of course it's different now because it's Obama :roll:

You appear to be claiming I cared for Romney and Bush when the fact is I didn't. Regardless, asking for control over the debt ceiling is Obama asking for a power grab for the executive branch. I consider that a serious matter.
 
That's not how the Republicans work. They are incapable or more likely unwilling to come up with any proposal of their own and would much prefer to have the President do all of the work. It's how they roll.

Would it not be better for the democrats to come up with things they want to cut since at least then we have a starting point on cuts?
 
Cuts are the essence of the Republican plan to attack the fiscal crisis. I'm still waiting for them to say what exactly they want to cut. Obama has said he will consider anything the Republicans propose. So far, they've proposed nothing. Time, as the saying goes, to **** or get off the pot.
 
Then let's hear something from Orange tan. Let's hear a Republican proposal. Not the Mittens kind, which has nothing specific in it but a real proposal, with real cuts.

Mainly what the Republicans do is say nothing and whine a lot. How about showing some guts?

Let's not. Instead how about the President does his job and put forth a serious proposal that will address the problems we have without throwing the baby out with the bath water. You were all high on the fact the dems won this last election - now they should do their jobs.

Thus far there's been no serious proposal from the President for the republicans to oppose, just a whole lot of manuveuring and trial balloons. This wounded brainstorming effort hasn't worked in the past four years, it's not going to work going forward. Make the serious proposal and debate it as should be.
 
...Let's hear a Republican proposal. Not the Mittens kind, which has nothing specific in it but a real proposal, with real cuts.

Mainly what the Republicans do is say nothing and whine a lot. How about showing some guts?

Since you asked:

Sen. Bob Corker: A plan to dodge the ‘fiscal cliff’ - The Washington Post

http://www.corker.senate.gov/public...0ca3593/Fiscal_Reform_Act_of_2012_Summary.pdf

Note this is a 'BILL' written up in legislation language not some plan that has yet to be written...

Also note:

By contrast, Corker’s got a bill in hand: 242 pages of “leg language,” as he puts it, CBO-scored and ready to roll out.

Corker

Already CBO scored...show me ANY other that has been 1)written and 2)scored by EITHER Democrats OR Republicans...
 
Let's not. Instead how about the President does his job and put forth a serious proposal that will address the problems we have without throwing the baby out with the bath water. You were all high on the fact the dems won this last election - now they should do their jobs.

Thus far there's been no serious proposal from the President for the republicans to oppose, just a whole lot of manuveuring and trial balloons. This wounded brainstorming effort hasn't worked in the past four years, it's not going to work going forward. Make the serious proposal and debate it as should be.

No. I'm sure the President is tired of the Party of No just saying No to everything. Time for the Republicans to say exactly what programs they want cut, what spending they want eliminated. It shouldn't be up to the President to figure it out through trial and error. Those days are done. He's not negiotiating against himself any more.
 
Since you asked:

Sen. Bob Corker: A plan to dodge the ‘fiscal cliff’ - The Washington Post

http://www.corker.senate.gov/public...0ca3593/Fiscal_Reform_Act_of_2012_Summary.pdf

Note this is a 'BILL' written up in legislation language not some plan that has yet to be written...

Also note:



Corker

Already CBO scored...show me ANY other that has been 1)written and 2)scored by EITHER Democrats OR Republicans...

Senate Republican plans are meaningless, as are articles in the National Review. I want to see what Orange tan and the rest of his party are willing to offer up.
 
Senate Republican plans are meaningless, as are articles in the National Review. I want to see what Orange tan and the rest of his party are willing to offer up.

Why would anyone's plan's be meaningless? Does it matter who has the good ideas so long as they are indeed good ideas? Obama could have gotten a loty more traction from republicans on Obamacare if he'd just have listened to some of the good ideas the republicans had concerning removing barriers for HC insurance companies from practicing in any state, or tort reform, or creating a whole new dept in the interior to manage and prosecute medicare and medicaid fraud, and waste.. Are these not good ideas?


Tim-
 
Senate Republican plans are meaningless, as are articles in the National Review. I want to see what Orange tan and the rest of his party are willing to offer up.

Why should anyone bother to "show" you anything if you're just going to dismiss it out of hand without discussion, or even reading it?
 
Cuts are the essence of the Republican plan to attack the fiscal crisis. I'm still waiting for them to say what exactly they want to cut. Obama has said he will consider anything the Republicans propose. So far, they've proposed nothing. Time, as the saying goes, to **** or get off the pot.

They have proposed nothing? Have you forgotten the plan they put out some time ago that everyone called throwing grandma off a cliff? The fact is the republicans have been making proposals for a long time now and you just don't like any of them.
 
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Senate Republican plans are meaningless, as are articles in the National Review. I want to see what Orange tan and the rest of his party are willing to offer up.

House GOP makes a $2.2 trillion debt counteroffer to Obama on cliff - The Hill

House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

The leaders delivered the offer to the White House on Monday with a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and four other senior Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s just-defeated vice presidential nominee.
 
No. I'm sure the President is tired of the Party of No just saying No to everything. Time for the Republicans to say exactly what programs they want cut, what spending they want eliminated. It shouldn't be up to the President to figure it out through trial and error. Those days are done. He's not negiotiating against himself any more.

Love those soundbites don'tcha. He's not been negotiating with himself, he's been sounding out the republicans for ideas, because apparently he has none of his own on this manner. He's supposed to lead, put forward HIS plan and then let the congress critters debate it. Thus far it's been nothing but trial balloons and, "hey, what do you guys think of that, will that work?".

The President needs to present a plan the little darling comes up with all by his lonesome (advisors are okay). Show the nation what he wants to do, not in dreams, or in hopes, but in reality. Then you can go after the republicans if you like the plan and they obstruct it.
 
Well, there was a Romney-Ryan budget proposal which was more than we have had from Obama in 4 years.

Not sure if you've heard but Romney-Ryan were rejected in the election we just had.
 
Not sure if you've heard but Romney-Ryan were rejected in the election we just had.

Guess what, when it came to the branch that controls the purse strings, so were the democrats. "Suck it. We won" doesn't play well with your opposition that won the House--oh I think only half of what you say is true--Ryan won. :boohoo:
 
So the left demands a GOP plan, and one is pointed out, and the left still doesn't have a plan to counter with. I did not say I agreed or disagreed. Just pointing out there is a GOP budget proposal and there is no DNC budget proposal to start with.

Tim Geithner: "We don't have a definitive solution... We just don't like yours"

Funny how that still stands after all this time.
 
Love those soundbites don'tcha. He's not been negotiating with himself, he's been sounding out the republicans for ideas, because apparently he has none of his own on this manner. He's supposed to lead, put forward HIS plan and then let the congress critters debate it. Thus far it's been nothing but trial balloons and, "hey, what do you guys think of that, will that work?".

The President needs to present a plan the little darling comes up with all by his lonesome (advisors are okay). Show the nation what he wants to do, not in dreams, or in hopes, but in reality. Then you can go after the republicans if you like the plan and they obstruct it.

He presented a plan. The Republicans laughed at it. It's now their serve.
 
Why should anyone bother to "show" you anything if you're just going to dismiss it out of hand without discussion, or even reading it?

Well, isn't that what the Republicans just did with Obama's first offer?
 
He presented a plan. The Republicans laughed at it. It's now their serve.

His plan amounts to more spending, a tax increase along with assuming control over the debt ceiling.

Not only did the republicans laugh at it, but his own cabinet did as well. The proposal was a joke and everyone had a nice little laugh over it. Now when did he put up something serious?
 
Why would anyone's plan's be meaningless? Does it matter who has the good ideas so long as they are indeed good ideas? Obama could have gotten a loty more traction from republicans on Obamacare if he'd just have listened to some of the good ideas the republicans had concerning removing barriers for HC insurance companies from practicing in any state, or tort reform, or creating a whole new dept in the interior to manage and prosecute medicare and medicaid fraud, and waste.. Are these not good ideas?


Tim-

REpublicans were unwaivering in their opposition to health care reform and they are currently enthralled to Grover Norquist - the guy who calls all the shots for the Republicans. They like playing hardball - and I think they've finally gotten the President to play the game too. The President doesn't have to run for re-election and he doesn't have a master like Norquist to whom he must answer. It should be a very interesting game. My money is on Obama.
 
He presented a plan. The Republicans laughed at it. It's now their serve.

What plan? And no, even if he did, it's not "their serve". That's not the way it works (at least with a POTUS that has a plan). Virtually any other POTUS would be on TV right now telling the American people, "holy ****, you're going to suffer if these asshats don't cooperate - here's my plan, please call your senator/representative".
 
Guess what, when it came to the branch that controls the purse strings, so were the democrats. "Suck it. We won" doesn't play well with your opposition that won the House--oh I think only half of what you say is true--Ryan won. :boohoo:

The Romney-Ryan plan carries absolutely no weight now but if crying makes you feel better, knock yourself out!

"Boehner argued that it doesn’t matter whether new revenue comes from the wealthy or the middle class.

Listen, what is this difference where the money comes from? We put $800 billion worth of revenue, which is what he is asking for, out of eliminating the top two tax rates. But, here’s the problem, Chris, when you go and increase tax rates, you make it more difficult for our economy to grow, after that income, the small business income, it is going to get taxed at a higher rate and as a result we’re gonna see slower economic growth, we can’t cut our way out of this problem, nor can we grow our way out of the problem, we have to have a balanced approach and what the president wants to do will slow or economy at a time when he says he wants the economy to grow and create jobs.

Boehner is wrong on two points. First, there is no reason to believe that restoring Clinton-era tax rates on incomes over $250,000 will prevent the economy from growing; on the contrary, rate increases on the wealthy in 1992 and 1994 were followed by a tremendous economic boom. Second, it clearly matters where the revenue comes from; as Boehner and the Republicans’ own rhetoric acknowledges, the middle class needs fiscal relief — not an increased burden.

The full interview between Boehner and Wallace can be seen here; the exchange on tax rates begins at the 5:33 mark.

Perhaps Boehner doesn’t care where new revenue comes from because he hasn’t yet figured it out. When Wallace pressed Boehner to name specific loopholes and deductions that he’d be willing to eliminate in order to make up the revenue lost by extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, Boehner declined — as Romney and Paul Ryan did repeatedly during the campaign – telling Wallace, “I’m not going to debate this or negotiate this with you.”

The National Memo » Boehner: No Difference Between Raising Revenue From Middle Class Or Wealthy
 
His plan amounts to more spending, a tax increase along with assuming control over the debt ceiling.

Not only did the republicans laugh at it, but his own cabinet did as well.

So, lets head over the so-called cliff and see how everything turns out. I'm sure those millionaires and billionaires will be very greatful to Grover and the Republicans for saving them money.
 
So, lets head over the so-called cliff and see how everything turns out. I'm sure those millionaires and billionaires will be very greatful to Grover and the Republicans for saving them money.

Tell Obama that if he wants tax increases he has to put them along side cuts not another stimulus and more spending overall. I know its fun to make joke proposals and have a nice little laugh over it before you send it out, but lets not call such things serious, ok?
 
Well, isn't that what the Republicans just did with Obama's first offer?

No; heck, the OP even makes that clear. But if it were, it doesn't absolve you.
 
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