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State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Why does there have to be "equivelants"?

Whats wrong with alternatives instead?

If the cap doesnt fit do you need to destroy the cap, or can you wear a different hat while the person the cap fits wears the cap?

Things like this are inflamatory, as they take from others where there is no need.


Exactly...and this is why many are against gay marriage to start with....6% of the population want everything changed for the 94% to accomodate them..
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Exactly...and this is why many are against gay marriage to start with....6% of the population want everything changed for the 94% to accomodate them..


What is changing except two lines on a government form?
Are you offended when a form has a line for spouse?
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Only what you're legally called

is that in fact what they are doing?
seems the are just simplifying the form to me

legally there will still be husbands and wifes etc in Washington, no?
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

You'll have to point out where that is in Marx's writings. In most places that had a Marxist government, homosexuality got you sent to prison.

Or do you just call everything you don't like "Marxist?"

This will be the last time I engage you in this thread. The goal of the Frankfurt School of Fabian Socialists/Collectivists/Marxists is quite clear and well documented. Whether you choose to believe the data or not is not my problem. Hell maybe you agree with it. Wouldn't surprise me.

The Naked Communist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity, masturbation and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. epeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Why would he change his name? You realize there is a difference between a descriptive term and a name, right?
Did your sarcasm detector get inadvertently turned off?


How could the old terms be accommodated? There is no clear equivalent to husband, wife, bride or groom in most gay couples.
In terminology, no. In how roles shake out, it's surprising how, more often than not, even in gay couples, traditional stereotypical gender roles still unfold as they do with heterosexual couples. There still usually ends up being a "husband" and a "wife".
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

You just woke up in the lap of a liberal if you think gay is normal.

oh good lord normal abnormal is very subjective

question is left handed normal?
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

This is what I would like to see. Then individuals churches that support gay marriage would be able to let gay people marry if they felt inclined. We need to take the religious part out of the contract between the two people who want to unite.

I don't think it's quite as romantic to say, "will you be legally bound to me?" though. :lol:

the religious part is ALREADY out of the contract :shrug:
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Did your sarcasm detector get inadvertently turned off?

My stupid meter pegged though.

In terminology, no. In how roles shake out, it's surprising how, more often than not, even in gay couples, traditional stereotypical gender roles still unfold as they do with heterosexual couples. There still usually ends up being a "husband" and a "wife".

Not so much. Of course this is more and more true in straight marriages as well. Susy, barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen with Joe out earning the money is an outdated paradigm. One of my favorite couples the woman will be out working on the car while the husband is in watching the kids.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

This will be the last time I engage you in this thread. The goal of the Frankfurt School of Fabian Socialists/Collectivists/Marxists is quite clear and well documented. Whether you choose to believe the data or not is not my problem. Hell maybe you agree with it. Wouldn't surprise me.

The Naked Communist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I really don't put much stock in what a Conservative commentator said about Communism 50 years ago. Is he a Communist? Or just a guy who thought he knew everything.

BTW, was Richard Nixon a Communist?

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

After all, he's the President who extended diplomatic recognition of the Communist government of China.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

how does it take away?

Because an option that was there before, that some people liked, will no longer be there?
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

The OP was about making straight people stop being called bride and groom, that is dissing them.

false
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Because an option that was there before, that some people liked, will no longer be there?

Your life revolves around what box you check on a government form?
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Because an option that was there before, that some people liked, will no longer be there?

LMAO where did that "option" go? its still there :shrug:
you still can call yourself what ever you want, they simplified the "form" not made it illegal to call yourself whatever you want lol
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

That's not dissing anyone, that's making a form more universal.

nothing in the OP says that, it says the form was simplified.

its nonsense to think otherwise
 
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Because I mock silly things. Your opinion is not based on any facts; it's solely based on your emotion of basically not liking it.

Projection noted

I refuted this: it's also an entrance. It's not just about pleasure. Sex is also a way to show the feeling of love. Homosexuals can feel love, just as heterosexual couples do.

Um no you did not. You tried to but were refuted by someone who actually agrees with you. A child cannot be conceived by 2 men through anal sex. A woman cannot get pregnant through anal sex. This is basic science. And you're accusing me of stating silly things?

... because you need evidence that there is a mental disorder there. There was none. The idea that it was a mental order was not accepted by those practitioners and they overturned it. The belief homosexuality is a mental disorder is archaic.

There is evidence. It's called the DSM criteria. It was removed for most likely political reasons. Not scientific. There also was not a 100% universal opinion by psychologists at the time to remove it. Only 55%. I understand in 2012 you've been programmed to believe differently by Culture, Academia, Hollywood, and whatever cool and hip trendy show is playing on the alphabet networks. Doesn't mean you are correct however.

You can question them. You are not questioning them. You, a heterosexual man, are telling them they have a mental disorder. There's a difference.

The DSM criteria is what labeled Homosexuality a mental disorder before it was changed for most likely political reasons. I merely stated it was definitely a possibility that homosexuality is a mental disorder, even though it was removed from the DSM criteria for probably political reasons. Your assumption, and the assumption of everyone on the left who engages in their 2012 Culture Group think, is that every scientific decision that was made pre far left Collectivism/Cultural Marxism was motivated by hatred or bigotry. What if you were lied to?

Besides, if Homosexuals could claim they were "disabled" for being gay they could receive some additional stimulus from Obama's stash. They would probably qualify for multiple social and welfare programs where they can get hand outs courtesy of Obama's borrowed/taxed/printed money. Why would you want to deprive them of potentially life saving benefits?

See: Cry! Cry! Cry! by Johnny Cash. Poor baby.

Mocking and humiliation tactic noted, since you are intellectually unable to have a real discussion

Nope. I only call those people stupid who appear as such. I don't base anything off emotional arguments. You, however, seem to be.

Calling people stupid isn't an argument. Like I said before feel free to do that if it makes you feel better.

I'm not leaning on anyone.

Of course you are because intellectually you are weak
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

I really don't put much stock in what a Conservative commentator said about Communism 50 years ago. Is he a Communist? Or just a guy who thought he knew everything.

BTW, was Richard Nixon a Communist?



After all, he's the President who extended diplomatic recognition of the Communist government of China.

Dodge noted
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Your life revolves around what box you check on a government form?

No.

Does yours?
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

LMAO where did that "option" go? its still there :shrug:

Good.

Show me it on the form then.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Good.

Show me it on the form then.

doesnt have to be there

i filled out a job applications that said "white, african american, Latino, Asain, pacific islander and it said you must only pick ONE.

does that mean i dont exsist? or I cant call myself what i am? OF COURSE NOT because that would make no logical sense whatsoever
 
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Dodge noted

What dodge? Is that just what you say when you're discredited?

Your own link identifies the author of this book as "faith-based." Why would I take his word for what is and isn't Marxist? I challenged you to find it in Marx, and presented to you that gays are imprisoned in Marxist countries. You came back with that crap, and then say I'm dodging?
 
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It's purpose is defecation. The expulsion of fecal matter.

If mentally ill people choose to put their sexual organs or other objects in there, that doesn't make it "normal"

What if Homosexuality is a mental disorder like OCD, BPD, NPD, ect.? It's certainly a possibility.

More heterosexual people have anal sex than LGBT people, what of them?

Seriously dude, your so wrong it's embarrassing.
 
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oh good lord normal abnormal is very subjective

question is left handed normal?
Define "normal". Left-handedness is not "normal" in the sense that it is a minority of the population. The "norm" is to be right-handed, and as thus left-handers are not part of the "norm".

Too many people, though, have come to include, consciously or subconsciously, equating 'normal' as 'weird' or 'wrong', which is wholly incorrect. Left-handedness is abnormal in that it is not the majority, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it.



Not so much. Of course this is more and more true in straight marriages as well. Susy, barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen with Joe out earning the money is an outdated paradigm. One of my favorite couples the woman will be out working on the car while the husband is in watching the kids.
There will always be exceptions, of course, in both gay and straight couples. But, they are just that, exceptions, not the general rule itself.

You are seeing it more and more in straight couples, though, as it is becoming more socially accepted for the exceptions to exist openly. Forty years ago societal peer pressure would have precluded many men from staying home as "house husbands". Today, not so much.

Will we ever reach a point where traditional gender roles are split roughly 50/50? I don't think so. I think nature plays its predominate role in this regard. The social progress that we will make will be in accepting those who don't neatly fit the stereotype.
 
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doesnt have to be there

Do you remember when you went LMAO, laughing like a deranged loon?

You said it was still there then.

Guess you were wrong & just laughing like a fool for nothing...
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

What is changing except two lines on a government form?
Are you offended when a form has a line for spouse?


It changes the entire definition of marriage for everyone getting married ...to accomodate a handful of I want what I want when I want and you HAVE to do what I wants...its garbage
 
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More heterosexual people have anal sex than LGBT people, what of them?
Is this another one of those things where statistics are misleading depending on how they're used?

"More" people? Percentage-wise, or raw numbers-wise? If percentage, that'd be a great stat. If raw numbers, well... duh!... heterosexuals vastly outnumber homosexuals to begin with, so it makes perfect sense that more would engage in anal sex.

Not unlike pointing out that more white people collect welfare, but a much higher percentage of black people collect welfare. The same stats can be carefully chosen to portray whatever you want them to portray, hence do they really portray anything?

I do wonder how anybody knows, this, btw. :2razz:
 
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