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State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

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Bronson said:
It's purpose is defecation. The expulsion of fecal matter.

If mentally ill people choose to put their sexual organs or other objects in there, that doesn't make it "normal"

What if Homosexuality is a mental disorder like OCD, BPD, NPD, ect.? It's certainly a possibility.
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There is no evidence that homosexuality is a mental illness and it is not defined as such.
 
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Bronson said:
Read my post again. I haven't called anyone anything. I simply stated that it is a possibility.
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Ok lets look at that post again.

Bronson said:
If mentally ill people choose to put their sexual organs or other objects in there, that doesn't make it "normal"
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Sure seems like you called homosexuals mentally ill.

Bronson said:
And all I'm saying is that in this new age of PC Liberalism where everything is political, I wouldn't be surprised if that decision was made for political reasons

The removal of Homosexuality from the DSM-II criteria was not because of a "scientific breakthrough" previously undiscovered.
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Do you have any proof for your accusation or are you just making things up? The facts are the APA changed their decision based off of new studies that stated that homosexuals are not more psychologically disturbed then heterosexuals. If you want Im sure I can find a link to the studies or you can just use google to find them yourself.
 
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Bronson said:
Why should I have to define normal for you? Don't you know?

What % of the population engages in man inserting sexual organ into another man's buttocks compared to the % of the population that engages in the "normal" sexual activity between a male and female? You seem to be approaching this from the position that I'm discussing anal sex in terms of pleasure. You are mistaken. The primary function of sex is to propagate the species. Can you show me where a baby has ever been conceived when a man has put his sexual organ into a anus? Appreciate it.



And they wouldn't have come to that conclusion because of political reasons? The "normalization" of Homosexuality is just another Cultural Marxist tactic to break down the traditional family.
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Many things are not "normal" based on numbers, but in fact are benefits, such as genius level IQ. Normal does not mean better or worse.
 
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Bronson said:
Sorry man but the butt is exit only
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So if a man and a woman have anal sex....it's wrong?
 
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Bronson said:
You claim it is "natural"

I disagree

You keep ignoring everything and falling back upon this "animals are gay too. So it's natural." strawman

There is no "homosexual instinct" in animals. You can't point to irrational animal behavior and claim we use that to measure what is morally acceptable in a civil society. Men are rational beings. When an animal is trying to jam it's sexual organ into an anus, it's not making a rational determination that it is engaging in a homosexual act. It doesn't even know the difference between an anus and a vagina. They don't recognize and separate different stimuli intellectually like humans do.

Animals also eat their young and engage is cannibalism. Are those natural too?
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Actually there may be instincts in animals to engage in homosexual behavior. We simply do not know for sure. The prevalence of such activity suggests it is strongly possible there is.
 
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madman said:
No, we're NOT all god's people. I dont believe in a god therefor, i have NO god.
The separation only applies to the government. Im sure you know that. It's when the common people bring their religion into the voting booth and vote what their religion tells them. That's the problem
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I used the term god's people to use the point of view of religious people who see everybody as people of god. I too don't believe in god. That is the problem but I'm surprised there hasn't been any Supreme Court ruling going for equality for everybody.
 
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Bronson said:
It's purpose is defecation. The expulsion of fecal matter.

If mentally ill people choose to put their sexual organs or other objects in there, that doesn't make it "normal"

What if Homosexuality is a mental disorder like OCD, BPD, NPD, ect.? It's certainly a possibility.
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You spend a lot of time thinking about gay sex. Interesting....
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
My dog is gay. He seems to have absolutely no sexual interest in female dogs. He always humps male dogs. That's ok with me, that's his decision, as long as it makes him happy.
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Animals like to eat feces, their young, and a bunch of other bizarre behaviors we as rational human beings do not engage in. So as long as your dog is happy while eating poo and engaging in cannibalism you're cool with that right? If people want to kill their young, eat poo, and eat other human beings, hey animals do it, so it's cool right?

My question is, why do you feel that other people being gay effects your life? If it makes them happy, who are you to interfere? What is it you want to do with gay people?
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Your question is a red herring. Gay people don't directly affect my life. The radical acceptance of anything gay people want however affects the culture I live in. Homosexuality as part of the DSM-II criteria was removed for most likely political reasons, not scientific. As a result we are now at the point where there are same sex couples who want to have kids in ways that are certainly not "natural". It's the gradual breakdown of the traditional family unit that can have real negative effects on the psychology of these kids when they get older. It has negative effects on society. The present state of Black America can directly be tied to the breakdown the Black Family.

Study after study has shown that children do best when raised by their biological parents in a low conflict household. A male and female who are their BIOLOGICAL parents. Why would you want to deprive them of that opportunity so homosexuals can have whatever they want?
 
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rocket88 said:
You spend a lot of time thinking about gay sex. Interesting....
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/yawn

Dodge noted
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Bronson said:
You claim it is "natural"

I disagree

You keep ignoring everything and falling back upon this "animals are gay too. So it's natural." strawman

There is no "homosexual instinct" in animals. You can't point to irrational animal behavior and claim we use that to measure what is morally acceptable in a civil society. Men are rational beings. When an animal is trying to jam it's sexual organ into an anus, it's not making a rational determination that it is engaging in a homosexual act. It doesn't even know the difference between an anus and a vagina. They don't recognize and separate different stimuli intellectually like humans do.

Animals also eat their young and engage is cannibalism. Are those natural too?
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Yes, actually.

Something being natural, of course, doesn't provide it with any moral or ethical shading, for better or worse. So that's a non-starter of an argument no matter who's suggesting it.
 
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Bronson said:
And they wouldn't have come to that conclusion because of political reasons? The "normalization" of Homosexuality is just another Cultural Marxist tactic to break down the traditional family.
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You'll have to point out where that is in Marx's writings. In most places that had a Marxist government, homosexuality got you sent to prison.

Or do you just call everything you don't like "Marxist?"
 
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Redress said:
Actually there may be instincts in animals to engage in homosexual behavior. We simply do not know for sure. The prevalence of such activity suggests it is strongly possible there is.
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There isn't one

You can't project human emotions, motivations, and sentiments onto animals and claim it's "science"
 
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rocket88 said:
Dodging what? The verbal diarrhea you're spewing again?
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Dodge 2 noted

Sling all the insults you want. Doesn't bother me.
 
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Short version of thread:

Some (ok...MANY) theocrats are butt-hurt to discover that the theocracy they want is not in place (yet), resulting in at least a few policies which are (for the moment) not twisted to serve their fundamentalist vision.

Get over it.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
This is the kind of stuff that predicated the fall of the Roman empire. Watch for the legalization of having sex with children next.
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people that make this illogical leap quickly show how grossly uneducated they are about reality and facts. LMAO its funny because there are always a few that say thing like this instantly proving how clueless they are about the subject at hand.
 
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Mathematician said:
I'm about to go off on the gays if this doesn't stop. The gays can call each other whatever in the heck they want. I'll even provide the white out for their certificate. However, they're in for a fight if they expect me and other normal couples to drop the use of husband and wife.
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why would gays expect YOU to drop husband and wife? that makes no sense not to mention this wasnt done by the "gays"
 
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Paul Austin said:
Why does there have to be "equivelants"?

Whats wrong with alternatives instead?

If the cap doesnt fit do you need to destroy the cap, or can you wear a different hat while the person the cap fits wears the cap?

Things like this are inflamatory, as they take from others where there is no need.
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how does it take away?
 
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Mathematician said:
Expecting every darn thing to become gender neutral is going overboard.
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who is "expecting" that?
 
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Bronson said:
Dodge 2 noted

Sling all the insults you want. Doesn't bother me.
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What should I not be dodging? What important issues are you bringing up other than "Gays are Commies?"

I would like to see where Marx said anything about homosexuality. You said it was "Marxist," so I assume you can back that up from your vast knowledge of Marx. Why is it that in Cuba, which is a Marxist state, homosexuals are imprisoned. You'd think they'd love it since it's "Marxist."
 
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Bronson said:
Animals like to eat feces, their young, and a bunch of other bizarre behaviors we as rational human beings do not engage in. So as long as your dog is happy while eating poo and engaging in cannibalism you're cool with that right? If people want to kill their young, eat poo, and eat other human beings, hey animals do it, so it's cool right?
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There are good reasons for those activities. Feces contain nutrients. Eating their young promotes survival of genetic material in that it gives starving animals nutrients so they can live and breed again.

Your question is a red herring. Gay people don't directly affect my life. The radical acceptance of anything gay people want however affects the culture I live in. Homosexuality as part of the DSM-II criteria was removed for most likely political reasons, not scientific. As a result we are now at the point where there are same sex couples who want to have kids in ways that are certainly not "natural". It's the gradual breakdown of the traditional family unit that can have real negative effects on the psychology of these kids when they get older. It has negative effects on society. The present state of Black America can directly be tied to the breakdown the Black Family.

Study after study has shown that children do best when raised by their biological parents in a low conflict household. A male and female who are their BIOLOGICAL parents. Why would you want to deprive them of that opportunity so homosexuals can have whatever they want?
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You are making **** up. No one is accepting anything gay people want , they are accepting reasonable requests. Gay people being allowed to marry is perfectly reasonable and has good arguments in favor of it on it's merits. Homosexuality being classified as not a mental illness was not political but done based on evidence. Many many strait people have kids in ways that are not "natural" too. Did your mother gnaw your umbilical cord in two...if not you had an unnatural childbirth. Study after study shows that children do best in a household with two loving parents.
 
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Mathematician said:
You think I oppose it to make gays unhappy? My family values the traditional gender roles. I believe this is one reason our family is so strong in this society where divorce has risen over time. Have the dads ask their daughters whether they dream of being a bride or a "spouse b". It's the expectation of everything to go to one neutral instead of creating a sufficient alternate that infuriates me. It's similar to the atheists I want to kick the crap out of for expecting crosses to not be in public view or the stupid "holiday tree" controversy.
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why would that happen lol
 
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Bronson said:
There isn't one

You can't project human emotions, motivations, and sentiments onto animals and claim it's "science"
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You can back up your claim? Bet you can't. What I said is not projecting emotions, motivations nor sentiments onto animals.
 
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Bronson said:
Why do you keep dodging? You're trying to characterize my opinion as a CT. It's easier for you to play these mocking games while tossing out a bunch of canards because you don't want to have a real discussion.
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Because I mock silly things. Your opinion is not based on any facts; it's solely based on your emotion of basically not liking it.

Let's look at your quote from that link:

So now you want to equate a medical examination (like a plumber checking the pipes) to sexual activity for pleasure. Every example you've given here is a red herring.
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No - let's look at your quote.

Bronson said:
Sorry man but the butt is exit only
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I refuted this: it's also an entrance. It's not just about pleasure. Sex is also a way to show the feeling of love. Homosexuals can feel love, just as heterosexual couples do.

Homosexuality was a mental illness (DSM-II Criteria) until it was removed (the case can be made it was for political reasons). There were no major scientific breakthroughs which caused psychologists to remove it. None. It was removed with a vote and only passed with 55% of that vote. A homosexual group based out of San Francisco originally started the "political protests" to remove Homosexuality from the DSM-II criteria.
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... because you need evidence that there is a mental disorder there. There was none. The idea that it was a mental order was not accepted by those practitioners and they overturned it. The belief homosexuality is a mental disorder is archaic.

Now you can go ahead and mock and do what you're going to do with your little tactics. I don't bother with that. Truth isn't necessarily always what you want to hear. It's not cool and trendy in today's warped culture to criticize or question homosexuality. Teh gays are a Collectivist/Liberal Victim Group now in 2012. They cannot be questioned/criticized/ect apparently.
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You can question them. You are not questioning them. You, a heterosexual man, are telling them they have a mental disorder. There's a difference.

Bronson said:
There you go with the mocking and humiliation tactics again
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See: Cry! Cry! Cry! by Johnny Cash. Poor baby.

You are stuck in emotional arguments so you try and label anyone "stupid" who doesn't agree with you
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Nope. I only call those people stupid who appear as such. I don't base anything off emotional arguments. You, however, seem to be.

Like I said before I don't bother with that nonsense. Keep leaning on everyone else for emotional support though if it makes you feel better.
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I'm not leaning on anyone.
 
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