Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

Ikari · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
is school property and they have every right to monitor who is on it, until you can change this fact you have nothing. Good things tags arent universal action and force :shrug:

the second part of your statement is just nonsense and has ZERO to do with this LOL

It is unprecedented use of electronic tagging and monitoring, so it was an expansion of power.

The second part is nothing more than your statement taken to its logical conclusion. Your unwillingness to engage only highlights your dishonest nature.

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

Henrin said:
I never claimed you said you thought the technology doesn't exist. Reading would be helpful to you.

Facts and reality do not disagree with me and neither does history.

1.)yes you did actually, might not have meant to but you did, you mentioned technology for it exist as if that meant something, it doesnt lol
2.) yes they do, already proven

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

Ikari said:
It is unprecedented use of electronic tagging and monitoring, so it was an expansion of power.

The second part is nothing more than your statement taken to its logical conclusion. Your unwillingness to engage only highlights your dishonest nature.

expansion of power?says who? according to what your opinion?
what about schools that achieve this without the tags? what "power" would they gain?

again i deal in facts and reality not theory and made up philosophy

i repeat its school property and they have every right to monitor who is on it, until you can change this fact you have nothing.

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

Henrin said:
You still haven't actually gotten that the government does not practice rights, have you? Don't tell me you don't understand the difference between powers and rights. So far that appears to be your problem.

Matter of fact though not being allowed in certain areas does not permit access to being tracked by the individuals that made such a rule.

weird you didnt answer the questions? i wonder why?

here ill repeat them

tell me can my kid go anywhere in the school she wants and anytime she wants?
can i go anywhere in her school at any time i want? no we cant.
does the school have the right to know who is there and where they are at?

maybe youll be honest and answer this time

clownboy · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
tags to monitor location which is their right to "shock collars" LMAO thats pure nonsense

physical harm and life endangerment is equal to monitor location on another property now?? :lamo

Who said anything about physical harm and life endangerment. Shock collars don't have to put out a huge shock, they can be tuned for behavior modification use.

Just because you have a right to go there doesn't mean your route isn't restricted.

Henrin · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
1.)yes you did actually, might not have meant to but you did, you mentioned technology for it exist as if that meant something, it doesnt lol

It does in fact. Your trust in a body that is not trustworthy is quite foolish.

2.) yes they do, already proven

You don't seem to understand what goes into proving something then.

Henrin · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
weird you didnt answer the questions? i wonder why?

here ill repeat them

tell me can my kid go anywhere in the school she wants and anytime she wants?
can i go anywhere in her school at any time i want? no we cant.
does the school have the right to know who is there and where they are at?

maybe youll be honest and answer this time

I have already answered those by calling them irreverent. Do you not like my answer?

Bodi · Nov 27, 2012

Henrin said:
Perhaps what I said is what you meant, but that is not how it came out.

Yes, undoubtedly, but like I said there is a difference between watching(aka keeping an eye on them) and spying.

and just what is that supposed to mean? Do you think I have no experience with children? I have been around children my entire life either assisting my mother babysitting growing up or raising my own children. I think I know what it involves, thank you. Are you going to tell me how to educate my children next? That should be wonderful considering all my children could read and write before they started kindergarten.

It is supposed to mean that "Whew! Glad you aren't a 30 year old male babysitter" as a joke... chill.

Knowing where they are is not spying...

Ikari · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
expansion of power?says who? according to what your opinion?

Says the fact that they expanded the tools and force they are using.

Objective-J said:
what about schools that achieve this without the tags? what "power" would they gain?

It would depend upon the specific means they are going through.

Objective-J said:
again i deal in facts and reality not theory and made up philosophy

I'm not so sure

Objective-J said:
i repeat its school property and they have every right to monitor who is on it, until you can change this fact you have nothing.

Government has limited privilege for monitoring, yes. But that privilege is not unlimited, and you seem to assume it is.

Bodi · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
WOW thats crazy, good for you though!. Teaching is probably what i should have did but i didnt realize that till i started coaching then volunteering at the youth center.

Hard to imagine it was that out of control

It is hard to imagine... but that is probably the toughest school in that area of millions of people.

Dittohead not! · Nov 27, 2012

Ikari said:
Says the fact that they expanded the tools and force they are using.

It would depend upon the specific means they are going through.

I'm not so sure

Government has limited privilege for monitoring, yes. But that privilege is not unlimited, and you seem to assume it is.

And the school as an unlimited mandate for monitoring. The minors are the responsibility of the school from the time they get there until they get home.

Ikari · Nov 27, 2012

Dittohead not! said:
And the school as an unlimited mandate for monitoring. The minors are the responsibility of the school from the time they get there until they get home.

Government force is limited. The school cannot have unlimited mandate as government was never granted unlimited mandate.

jamesrage · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
yep because kids wearing badges are equal to forced implants to every citizen LMAO
damn if only we had these implants for years we'd know 9/11 was an inside job and that obama isnt a citizen.

If you get kids to see no problem wearing tracking devices then forced implants and mandated tracking devices is not that far off.

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

clownboy said:
Who said anything about physical harm and life endangerment. Shock collars don't have to put out a huge shock, they can be tuned for behavior modification use.

Just because you have a right to go there doesn't mean your route isn't restricted.

again not even close to the same your example is dishonest and nonsense LOL

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

Henrin said:
1.)It does in fact. Your trust in a body that is not trustworthy is quite foolish.

You don't seem to understand what goes into proving something then.

1.) nope still meaningless
2.) i fully understand it you think facts care about your opinion but they dont :shrug:

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

Henrin said:
I have already answered those by calling them irreverent. Do you not like my answer?

ahhhh and there we have it they are fully relevant and your dismal of them shows you cant be honest and wont admit to being wrong LMAO

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

Ikari said:
Says the fact that they expanded the tools and force they are using.

It would depend upon the specific means they are going through.

I'm not so sure

Government has limited privilege for monitoring, yes. But that privilege is not unlimited, and you seem to assume it is.

1.) you mean your opinion and its meaningless anyway lol
2.) not really in this case they are the same, kids dont have the right to go where they choose at the school whether they are personally monitored with eyes or badges
3.) you being sure is meaningless to the facts
4.) again there is no assumption on my part at all thats just you making things up when you have no factual argument

like i said its school property and they have every right to monitor who is on it, until you can change this fact you have nothing.

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

Bodhisattva said:
It is hard to imagine... but that is probably the toughest school in that area of millions of people.

by your description alone it seems very imaginable but i get what you are saying

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

jamesrage said:
If you get kids to see no problem wearing tracking devices then forced implants and mandated tracking devices is not that far off.

LMAO
sorry i simply dont buy that, seems like total nonsense because they two are nothing a like at all

AGENT J · Nov 27, 2012

Ikari said:
Government force is limited. The school cannot have unlimited mandate as government was never granted unlimited mandate.

good thing nobody is saying the school should have unlimited powers LMAO

justabubba · Nov 27, 2012

AreteCourage said:
The bolded things are true. What if a student is merely using the restroom, or running an errand for the teach? Should school administrators be tracking them electronically within that school? No. The assumption is always that they are up to no good, but that isn't always the case. Here's what you do...if you don't want students in a particular location...lock the doors to it, or have someone looking at the area.

Students shouldn't look at a school like it is a prison. While they are on campus...they should go to class. Of course, but if they don't..well their grades will suffer and likewise their hides from their parents. The assumption that the school should know a students whereabouts at all times is flawed. The student understands there are consequences if they break rules and are caught doing so, but not all students who are in the halls while class is in session are necessarily doing anything terrible.

There is a such a thing as going too far, and I believe electronic tracking is going too far.

and if i am the school administrator and experience a columbine-like assault, i want to know how many of my students are located in the most vulnerable location
with this device, i should be able to learn that information

justabubba · Nov 27, 2012

Ikari said:
How would it work against any of our detriments if we were to adopt this policy on whole? Yet would you support the government tagging you with RFID everywhere you go?

are all of us on a school campus and under the age of emancipation?
if so, your point is well founded
if not, then you have nothing

Ikari · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
good thing nobody is saying the school should have unlimited powers LMAO

You certainly impose no limitations. Any new tech seems to be OK by you. But if the government has not the power, it may not use a force; even if it's new tech. You argue for near unlimited powers. LMAO

Ikari · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
1.) you mean your opinion and its meaningless anyway lol

lol So you're saying that schools have long been using RFID. Interesting.

Objective-J said:
2.) not really in this case they are the same, kids dont have the right to go where they choose at the school whether they are personally monitored with eyes or badges

That's true of a lot of places, even in public. Yet you're drawing an invisible line and using the same failed argument. And just because the schools have privilege of monitoring doesn't mean that's unlimited. You argue that they have right to monitor and that may be expanded at whim.

Objective-J said:
3.) you being sure is meaningless to the facts

Usually not actually

Objective-J said:
4.) again there is no assumption on my part at all thats just you making things up when you have no factual argument

It is indeed assumption on your part as you assume new tech proper confines of government force. The government must first ask and obtain permission and demonstrate that it is not infringing upon the rights and liberties of anyone.

Objective-J said:
like i said its school property and they have every right to monitor who is on it, until you can change this fact you have nothing.

Like I said, government has privilege to monitor, but it is not unlimited. Until you can change this fact, you have nothing. LMAO

Ikari · Nov 27, 2012

Objective-J said:
ahhhh and there we have it they are fully relevant and your dismal of them shows you cant be honest and wont admit to being wrong LMAO

Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.

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