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Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

PirateMk1 said:
The only reason I would object is the fact that it is Mandatory to attend school. If it werent then I would have no objection on the rights angle per say. Putting her in another school without RFID is probaly a good solution. I personally dont like RFID because they inherrently unsecure. If I had a student attending that school that would be my concern. This sort of technology is a double edged sword. I dont have children in public school because quite frankly they are inferior in almost every way. To much politics not enough education.
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this is a valid point sort of but the thing is, you dont have to attend this school, can get home schooled and it is school property still.

Right now with or without tags no rights are violated because the school still has the right to know where you are at all times on their property and they are responsible for you. Teachers and principles etc already keep track of students and have that right, this is just more efficient.

Not saying YOU but some people act like the kids are allowed to do what ever they want at school go where ever they please, thats not true and never has been any time recent.
 
PirateMk1 said:
The only reason I would object is the fact that it is Mandatory to attend school. If it werent then I would have no objection on the rights angle per say. Putting her in another school without RFID is probaly a good solution. I personally dont like RFID because they inherrently unsecure. If I had a student attending that school that would be my concern. This sort of technology is a double edged sword. I dont have children in public school because quite frankly they are inferior in almost every way. To much politics not enough education.
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fix, quoted myself instead of edit
"concern" like yours is reasonably, id have them too, although mine would be different I wouldnt want supervision to change i would just want this ADDED.

crying about rights and invasion and government test program to do this to us all is nonsense.
 
Henrin said:
That was not my point. Rights are lost in either situation mentioned.

And I haven't been wrong once.
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Voluntary vs. involuntary - missed the mark, as usual

You waste bandwidth through low comprehension and word games.
 
SMTA said:
Voluntary vs. involuntary - missed the mark, as usual
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You think that actually plays a part, don't you?

You waste bandwidth through low comprehension and word games.
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What words games am I playing exactly?
 
Objective-J said:
Damn school trying to assure the best way they can that students are safe, where they should be, attending class and not leaving without being detected, the nerve of them!!!!!, what is this old Russia!

:scared:
<end sarcasm>

Im still waiting for a list of these rights violations and harm over the pros.
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Any information exchange can be hacked. Do you want Chester the molester tracking your child's whereabouts at all times?
 
SMTA said:
I rest my case.
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You rest your case on thinking a difference lies where there isn't one? You can do whatever you please, I guess.
 
d0gbreath said:
Any information exchange can be hacked. Do you want Chester the molester tracking your child's whereabouts at all times?
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LOL I hope this is sarcasm
 
I have a dreadful feeling it's serious. There's a deeply distrustful paranoid streak running through the American right that goes much further than simple dislike of "big government". The "Mark of the Beast!" nonsense is the icing on the fruitcake.
 
d0gbreath said:
Nope. It could happen.
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yes it could but its nonsense to worry about it since we are talking school property and school hours.

a master hacker could also tap into their cell phone, Facebook, their car and a plethora of other electronic devices.

SOrry simply not worried because it sounds like conspiracy theory.
 
Henrin said:
You don't appear to be understanding my point. If you wish I will openly admit they will do what the parents want them to do, but there is a difference in actions that are called for and actions that you are ordered to do. My original point was the action is not necessary, not that they wouldn't otherwise do it because the parents desired it. Bosses do in fact order many actions that are not necessary, but people do them anyway because that is their job.
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Of course they do what the parents want them to do. School administrators work for the board of education, which represents the parents. I believe I said that already.

And, sure, bosses sometimes take actions that aren't really necessary. In this case, however, the administrator of a school is responsible for the actions of minors. They will see to it that said minors follow t he rules of the school. If they don't, they'll soon be looking for work.
 
Manc Skipper said:
I have a dreadful feeling it's serious. There's a deeply distrustful paranoid streak running through the American right that goes much further than simple dislike of "big government". The "Mark of the Beast!" nonsense is the icing on the fruitcake.
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I'm not paranoid at all actually. I just wish people to have their right to privacy respected no matter their age. There is a vast difference between someone walking around the campus and watching doors and someone having to carry something around with them to tell others exactly where they are.
 
Henrin said:
I'm not paranoid at all actually. I just wish people to have their right to privacy respected no matter their age. There is a vast difference between someone walking around the campus and watching doors and someone having to carry something around with them to tell others exactly where they are.
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right to privacy? whats the difference?
 
Objective-J said:
right to privacy? whats the difference?
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There is no difference.

Minors do not have the right to privacy when they are at school. They only have as much right to privacy as their parents think they can handle when they're not at school. Once they be come adults, they have a right to privacy in most instances, but not all. They still get to have cops watching and taking pictures when they're driving their cars, for example.
 
Dittohead not! said:
There is no difference.

Minors do not have the right to privacy when they are at school. They only have as much right to privacy as their parents think they can handle when they're not at school. Once they be come adults, they have a right to privacy in most instances, but not all. They still get to have cops watching and taking pictures when they're driving their cars, for example.
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I agree but im curious to see what he says.

right now my kids school does not have this system but the fact is she does NOT have the right to be anywhere on school property at anytime she wants. SO im not sure how this changes anything, its the same thing just more accurate. Unless im missing something seems like a lot of conspiracy nonsense but im still open minded to the objections. Maybe he has a real one.
 
Objective-J said:
yes it could but its nonsense to worry about it since we are talking school property and school hours.

a master hacker could also tap into their cell phone, Facebook, their car and a plethora of other electronic devices.

SOrry simply not worried because it sounds like conspiracy theory.
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So I was reaching for ammo to get rid of those damn cards. I do not like them at all.

What about when the kids switch cards with their friends. Is that possible?
 
They end up dead, locked in a cupboard after a holiday weekend, because their buddy handed their card in at the end of the school day, and they were presumed to have checked out of the premises when they were reported missing.
 
d0gbreath said:
So I was reaching for ammo to get rid of those damn cards. I do not like them at all.

What about when the kids switch cards with their friends. Is that possible?
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switch them and do what?

for example Sam should be in math and switches cards with Greg in gym. the teachers in those classes know who Greg and Sam :shrug:

there is still roll call and everything else this is just extra from my understanding, if its not extra then the system is "flawed" and i would be concerned about it but it still doesnt violate rights
 
Henrin said:
And tracking peoples location is violation of their rights.
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Out in public, you bet. But this is at school. Is taking attendance and requiring a hall pass a violation of their rights?
 
Sarcogito said:
Out in public, you bet. But this is at school. Is taking attendance and requiring a hall pass a violation of their rights?
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No, so why not simply do that? Use of high tech surveillance systems is a step too far, IMHO.
 
Sarcogito said:
Out in public, you bet. But this is at school. Is taking attendance and requiring a hall pass a violation of their rights?
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No, of course not.
 
If it doesn't release radiation, can't be hacked and is left at school each day, I have no problem with it.
 
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