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Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

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Ok risking being flamed as being a troll and a hack...Im still going to give a personal observation. Since the day after the election, every poll ive seen about anything has been detrimental to the GOP. I cant believe that all the rosey polls leading up to the last tuesday were on the up and up...I know the conservatives blamed All pollsters with positive results for Obama as being dishonest...but its now fact that all the republican polsters and pundits were DEAD WRONG and its becoming more apparent just how dishonest they were.
Rasmussen who I always valued as the best or one of the top 3 polsters is a total FAIL and I unsubscribed from his daily polls because I can absolutely no longer trust his results...his results leading up the election were so out of whack with everyone elses its not possible for me to believe he wasnt playing partisan games...he actually had ohio a tie and penns going to romney and other absurdities...the most accurate turned out to be NYT/CBS Gallup and Pew...


Americans are prepared to blame Congressional Republicans any failure to avert the fiscal cliff, according to a poll on Tuesday.

While 51 percent of Americans don’t expect a deal, Democrats have substantially more faith than Republicans in the the ability of President Barack Obama and Congressional Republicans to compromise, according to the Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll. Two-thirds of a Republicans aren’t anticipating a deal, and only a quarter expect one. But a plurality of Democrats — 47 percent to 40 percent — expect Obama and the GOP to reach an agreement.

Congressional Republicans are likely to face the blame for any impact: 53 percent of Americans said the GOP would be at fault, compared with 29 percent who said the same of the president. Ten percent said both would be to blame. The gap is even bigger among independent voters, only 23 percent of whom would blame the president.

Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com
 
Ok risking being flamed as being a troll and a hack...Im still going to give a personal observation. Since the day after the election, every poll ive seen about anything has been detrimental to the GOP. I cant believe that all the rosey polls leading up to the last tuesday were on the up and up...I know the conservatives blamed All pollsters with positive results for Obama as being dishonest...but its now fact that all the republican polsters and pundits were DEAD WRONG and its becoming more apparent just how dishonest they were.
Rasmussen who I always valued as the best or one of the top 3 polsters is a total FAIL and I unsubscribed from his daily polls because I can absolutely no longer trust his results...his results leading up the election were so out of whack with everyone elses its not possible for me to believe he wasnt playing partisan games...he actually had ohio a tie and penns going to romney and other absurdities...the most accurate turned out to be NYT/CBS Gallup and Pew...

Americans are prepared to blame Congressional Republicans any failure to avert the fiscal cliff, according to a poll on Tuesday.

While 51 percent of Americans don’t expect a deal, Democrats have substantially more faith than Republicans in the the ability of President Barack Obama and Congressional Republicans to compromise, according to the Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll. Two-thirds of a Republicans aren’t anticipating a deal, and only a quarter expect one. But a plurality of Democrats — 47 percent to 40 percent — expect Obama and the GOP to reach an agreement.

Congressional Republicans are likely to face the blame for any impact: 53 percent of Americans said the GOP would be at fault, compared with 29 percent who said the same of the president. Ten percent said both would be to blame. The gap is even bigger among independent voters, only 23 percent of whom would blame the president.

Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com

I think they'll reach a deal.

Re the poll numbers . . . the only thing they don't know is, of the people they polled, which of them are going to actually vote. Seems like lots of conservatives stayed home.

Had dinner with some 20-somethings last week, and the reason they voted Obama? Mitt Romney pays less of a percentage of income tax than they do. Nice job, Dems. It worked.
 
I think they'll reach a deal.

Re the poll numbers . . . the only thing they don't know is, of the people they polled, which of them are going to actually vote. Seems like lots of conservatives stayed home.

Had dinner with some 20-somethings last week, and the reason they voted Obama? Mitt Romney pays less of a percentage of income tax than they do. Nice job, Dems. It worked.


No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..
 
They'll reach a deal, which means the Reps and Dems win, but the American people lose.
 
They're already deciding who is at fault for something that hasn't yet happened, and wouldn't have happened if:

1. the tax cuts had been made permanent in the first place, as proposed.
2. the "compromise" bill creating automatic cuts hadn't been passed and signed.
3. we didn't insist upon spending like drunken sailors on shore leave come hell or high water.

Seems to me like that means everybody's to blame for getting us in this mess. As to who we blame if we don't get out of it? How about "everybody". Ain't nobody's hands clean here.
 
No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..

Damn it. I was going to leave that out so as not to distract. We'll argue that another time. ;) ;)

I surrender. ;)
 
No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..

Who the hell cares if they were?! There is no proof that Romney ever broke the law (or rather, that his tax preparers ever broke the law), so the fact that he paid a lower effective rate than his marginal rate would suggest is hardly a reason NOT to vote for him...since it appears it was done legally within the parameters of the existing tax code.
 
there will be a deal. probably they'll balk at first and pass some stopgap BS in 2012, but congress likes to pat itself on the back quite a bit, and bipartisanship is the order of the day. look for some "grand compromise" package in 2013. i'm not predicting that the grand compromise will do much to solve the fundamental problems, but my guess is that the mission of congressional republicans has been modified somewhat. standing in the way of every single piece of legislation was a nod to the most vocal part of the republican base, and that segment was unable to bring out enough people to generate a win. now the congressional republicans will play to a new audience.
 
I'm optimistic that the president and Congressional Republicans will reach a deal. Will it actually happen? We'll have to wait and see, but I think Republicans learned something from this election: America didn't like the games they played during the election season. Not only that, but I think America overall is tired of the partisan crap being played by both sides. However, it seems to me, and I think a majority of Americans agreed, that Democrats are more apt to compromise than Republicans. I think if the Republicans got rid of the extremists in their party, then we could actually get things done. There has to be a middle ground, and our elected officials have to find it, or we're doomed. Not liberalism, not conservatism, but partisanism, is what will bring this country down. There's nothing wrong with the ideas of fiscal conservatives, it's social conservatives who are causing alot of the problems, by forcing us and the politicians to deal with issues that are moot as to the direction this country needs to head. Who gives a damn if homosexuals are allowed to marry? I certainly don't. It's not important to creating jobs, balancing the budget, lowering the deficit, improving on education, etc. Social conservatives, mostly conservative Christians, are making issues out of creationism vs. evolution, homosexual marriage, abortion, and a bunch of other BS that doesn't affect the country in the long run. Get rid of those, and we'll see some things get done.
 
All of the talk of "compromise" centers around taxing "the rich" a bit more, to reduce the federal defict from 40% to 38%, but what good is that really? Much more revenue (and less spending) than that could be gotten by lowering the unemployment rate, but nobody is now proposing any "jobs" bills, reducing job killing regulations or removing "unfunded mandates" that serve to make/keep labor costs higher. What of the "temporary" SS withholding rate reduction?
 
Who the hell cares if they were?! There is no proof that Romney ever broke the law (or rather, that his tax preparers ever broke the law), so the fact that he paid a lower effective rate than his marginal rate would suggest is hardly a reason NOT to vote for him...since it appears it was done legally within the parameters of the existing tax code.

Obviously THEY CARE tess...and what you care about isnt any more important than what they care about....no one said romney broke the law...NO where was that stated....but Ill say this again for you...before you go into a rant again....ROMNEY paid less percentage of taxs on many millions than some middleclass americans paid on a pittance compared to that...and to me whether you agree or not...that SUCKS...and no one has to have a REASON not to vote for or to vote for anyone...its their choice not yours and its their decision what issues they vote for
 
Obviously THEY CARE tess...and what you care about isnt any more important than what they care about....no one said romney broke the law...NO where was that stated....but Ill say this again for you...before you go into a rant again....ROMNEY paid less percentage of taxs on many millions than some middleclass americans paid on a pittance compared to that...and to me whether you agree or not...that SUCKS

Lpast, when you want to have a discuss instead of posting every single retort to somebody as an absolute please let me know. Quite frankly, I am absolutely tired of your argument being "THIS IS WHAT I SAY AND THIS IS RIGHT AND YOU CAN'T ARGUE IT!", so I won't be participating unless you choose a different approach.

Unsubscribed.
 
Lpast, when you want to have a discuss instead of posting every single retort to somebody as an absolute please let me know. Quite frankly, I am absolutely tired of your argument being "THIS IS WHAT I SAY AND THIS IS RIGHT AND YOU CAN'T ARGUE IT!", so I won't be participating unless you choose a different approach.

Unsubscribed.

Ok cya..actually I feel thats your approach, but no matter...That was the best approach for you since you got spanked for making an absolute that was totally incorrect....you just cant respond to some simple truth.

That they can make the decision who to vote for and why and that no one said romny broke the law....and that romney paid less a percentage of tax than many middle class taxpayers do that make a pittance compared to him.
Now if you want to rant that Im talking in absolutes and im saying you cant argue it and im right...then you have to show me where I was wrong...but like I said....cya..
 
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Who the hell cares if they were?! There is no proof that Romney ever broke the law (or rather, that his tax preparers ever broke the law), so the fact that he paid a lower effective rate than his marginal rate would suggest is hardly a reason NOT to vote for him...since it appears it was done legally within the parameters of the existing tax code.

The problem is that the tax code is only like that because of special interests who agitated for it. Plus there are larger issues at stake, of which disparities in tax rates are only a minor part.
 
No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..

But that thought process is based on a fallacy. The effective tax rate for Americans is averaging a little less than 9% per the IRS. Romney paid an effective tax rate of 15% (from dollar 1).

They can play with and distort the numbers all they want but when you actually research the facts, you find that both sides greatly exaggerate the numbers when it comes to the effects of the tax code on us for their own benefit.

The stupid among us take what they say as truth without doing the research themselves.
 
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So the first element of your post is to blast the polling services and the second is to quote a new poll that casts Republicans in "your" negative light? Is that right?

Well I hope the Republican Congress either gets what it wants out of obama or sends it over the fiscal cliff. Mr. obama's dismissive attitude today about Benghazi and soaking the rich would have really angered me if I were a new Republican congressman or even an old Republican congressman. Hey you, Mr. obama, the REPUBLICANS won the HOUSE - deal with it!


Ok risking being flamed as being a troll and a hack...Im still going to give a personal observation. Since the day after the election, every poll ive seen about anything has been detrimental to the GOP. I cant believe that all the rosey polls leading up to the last tuesday were on the up and up...I know the conservatives blamed All pollsters with positive results for Obama as being dishonest...but its now fact that all the republican polsters and pundits were DEAD WRONG and its becoming more apparent just how dishonest they were.
Rasmussen who I always valued as the best or one of the top 3 polsters is a total FAIL and I unsubscribed from his daily polls because I can absolutely no longer trust his results...his results leading up the election were so out of whack with everyone elses its not possible for me to believe he wasnt playing partisan games...he actually had ohio a tie and penns going to romney and other absurdities...the most accurate turned out to be NYT/CBS Gallup and Pew...


Americans are prepared to blame Congressional Republicans any failure to avert the fiscal cliff, according to a poll on Tuesday.

While 51 percent of Americans don’t expect a deal, Democrats have substantially more faith than Republicans in the the ability of President Barack Obama and Congressional Republicans to compromise, according to the Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll. Two-thirds of a Republicans aren’t anticipating a deal, and only a quarter expect one. But a plurality of Democrats — 47 percent to 40 percent — expect Obama and the GOP to reach an agreement.

Congressional Republicans are likely to face the blame for any impact: 53 percent of Americans said the GOP would be at fault, compared with 29 percent who said the same of the president. Ten percent said both would be to blame. The gap is even bigger among independent voters, only 23 percent of whom would blame the president.

Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com
 
So the first element of your post is to blast the polling services and the second is to quote a new poll that casts Republicans in "your" negative light? Is that right?

Well I hope the Republican Congress either gets what it wants out of obama or sends it over the fiscal cliff. Mr. obama's dismissive attitude today about Benghazi and soaking the rich would have really angered me if I were a new Republican congressman or even an old Republican congressman. Hey you, Mr. obama, the REPUBLICANS won the HOUSE - deal with it!

You're going to get neither of your wishs...no cliff diving and no teaparty getting all they want
 
Democrats are going to be more optimistic because the election shows they have more faith in the President than the GOP does. That is a no brainer. I don't think a deal will be reached this year.
 
I think they'll reach a deal.

Re the poll numbers . . . the only thing they don't know is, of the people they polled, which of them are going to actually vote. Seems like lots of conservatives stayed home.

Had dinner with some 20-somethings last week, and the reason they voted Obama? Mitt Romney pays less of a percentage of income tax than they do. Nice job, Dems. It worked.

they were both stupid and gullible. Unless they are making over 200K a year in earned income they were not
 
No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..

No he didn't. he paid an higher effective rate than all but 3% and those weren't the people whining about Romney. And he paid far more income taxes

He paid millions more for the same or less benefits they got.
 
No he didn't. he paid an higher effective rate than all but 3% and those weren't the people whining about Romney. And he paid far more income taxes

He paid millions more for the same or less benefits they got.


Nonesense heres a tissue
 
Nonesense heres a tissue

I am not the one crying that they wrongly believed they paid a higher tax rate than Romney

BTW did you ever tell us what Romney got from the government additional to what you got for the 2 million more he paid in taxes last year
 
I am not the one crying that they wrongly believed they paid a higher tax rate than Romney

BTW did you ever tell us what Romney got from the government additional to what you got for the 2 million more he paid in taxes last year

He will be paying more soon and you too...want that tissue now :)
 
He will be paying more soon and you too...want that tissue now :)

I guess its easier to post such drivel than actually answering a question that demonstrates how silly the leftwing envious bile is. BTW you will too.
 
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