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Elmo the Pedophile

ChrisL said:
Like I said, and like you failed to address, that particular teacher could surely use his/her authority over that student.
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I strongly disagree. If you go back through my posts, you should find that rather you failed to notice me repeatedly address that. :)
Also, the student could possibly blackmail the teacher.
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Blackmail’s power comes from the [expected] opinions of others, such as laws that make something illegal, not from the actual actions of the person. So this law empowers blackmail, can create and increase that potential for blackmail.
A teacher/student sexual relationship is not only not a good idea but can have lots of unintended consequences.
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Which is a professional matter, not a criminal matter.

Until actual coercion happens, then there are the existing laws. Which is why I am uncomfortable with this law’s existence at all, the ignoring of age is just the most egregious portion of it.

But check this out, the law doesn’t even stop teacher/student sex. If you are married to that cute 8th grader at the front of the row in 3rd period, bang away!

See, once upon a time there was a 17 year-old and a 27 year-old that decided to get married. The parents of the 17 year-old felt the 27 year-old was a fine man, and agreed to the marriage. The marriage license was obtained and 4 days later…the 27 year-old thrown in jail facing trial, because people wigged out and this law enabled it, really encouraged it, and now the 27 year-old is on trail because of suspicion of pre-marital sex even though the intent to marry was clearly demonstrated but thwarted though aid by the very law itself. :( It is like we rolled back the GD clocks 60(?) years.
 
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Dwight said:
I strongly disagree. If you go back through my posts, you should find that rather you failed to notice me repeatedly address that. :)
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Sorry, but you didn't address my specific questions, but whatever. You only said that you want to adults to be able to make those decisions regardless of the situation, or at least that's what I got out of it.

Blackmail’s power comes from the [expected] opinions of others, such as laws that make something illegal, not from the actual actions of the person. So this law empowers blackmail, can create and increase that potential for blackmail.
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I'm not talking premeditated blackmail here, but blackmail as a result of bad feelings due to a sexual relationship gone bad (which is most times the case with a teacher/student relationship), and that is when unintended consequences happen as a result of this unethical type of relationship. I agree with you though, that if there is a college student (an adult) who attends one school and has a fling with a teacher who teaches at another school, that it would be ridiculous to bring charges against anyone in that case.

Which is a professional matter, not a criminal matter.
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That depends on the age of the student.

Until actual coercion happens, then there are the existing laws. Which is why I am uncomfortable with this law’s existence at all, the ignoring of age is just the most egregious portion of it.
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I still think that if the student and teacher attend the same school, a sexual relationship is completely inappropriate regardless of ages.

But check this out, the law doesn’t even stop teacher/student sex. If you are married to that cute 8th grader at the front of the row in 3rd period, bang away!
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You are aware that an 8th grader is only 13 or 14 years old right? That is highly illegal in MOST states and even in those where it is legal, there are a LOT of hoops to jump through to actually marry a 13 or 14-year-old child if you are an adult. That comment is just kind of creepy to be honest. How old are YOU anyway, if you don't mind me asking.


See, once upon a time there was a 17 year-old and a 27 year-old that decided to get married. The parents of the 17 year-old felt the 27 year-old was a fine man, and agreed to the marriage. The marriage license was obtained and 4 days later…the 27 year-old thrown in jail facing trial, because people wigged out and this law enabled it, really encouraged it, and now the 27 year-old is on trail because of suspicion of pre-marital sex even though the intent to marry was clearly demonstrated but thwarted. :( It is like we rolled back the GD clocks 60(?) years.
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Just because parents agree to a marriage, that does not mean the parents are right either. However, I believe that if this man had followed the rules he would not have been thrown in jail. I believe in MOST states that it is perfectly legal to marry a 17-year-old with parental permission, so there is probably more to this story than meets the eye.
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ChrisL said:
or at least that’s what I got out of it.
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Yes. That part is clear. :D
I’m not talking premeditated blackmail here, but blackmail as a result of bad feelings due to a sexual relationship gone bad
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The same applies. Because with the law even relationships that have no ethical issues now have the threat of blackmail. ((see my past explanations to you of the extent of the reach of the law))
That depends on the age of the student.
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Which this law very explicitly takes out of the equation.
I still think that if the student and teacher attend the same school, a sexual relationship is completely inappropriate regardless of ages.
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Yet this law reaches further than even that. Beyond teachers and beyond the school the student is attending.

You are aware that an 8th grader is only 13 or 14 years old right?
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Very aware.

How old are YOU anyway, if you don’t mind me asking.
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Old enough that I have an 18 year-old in Grade 12.
Just because parents agree to a marriage, that does not mean the parents are right either.
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What? Right about what? In what way? The same way that just because two 30 year-olds agree to get married does not mean they are right?
However, I believe that if this man had followed the rules he would not have been thrown in jail.
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You can believe all you want, you seriously misunderstand how the justice system functions.
I believe in MOST states that it is perfectly legal to marry a 17-year-old with parental permission, so there is probably more to this story than meets the eye.
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“More than meets the eye” being immediate and salacious suspicion driving a puritanical witch hunt. You aren’t from ‘round here, right? ;)

There have been teachers put on trial with the evidence amounting to flirtatious Text messages. Eventually found innocent but time in jail and expense of trials anyway.
 
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I never liked Elmo.
 
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