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UPDATE: New Jersey utility denies turning away nonunion electric crew volunteers from

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Surtr said:
We didn't become the dominant species on this planet by waiting around for someone else to help us out of a jam.
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No. We became the dominant species on the planet by being smart and working together.
 
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UtahBill said:
ChrisL said:
you clearly have never even known anyone who does lineman work...it is hard and dangerous, and you don't get qualified to do this kind of work in just a few weeks...
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Well I never said that. Why you all keep putting words in my mouth, I don't know.
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Good news from a pal of mine in Hoboken NJ his power got turned on today
 
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Deuce said:
No. We became the dominant species on the planet by being smart and working together.
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And sitting around waiting to die wasn't a part of that equation, either. If staying there means you're going to die, then go to safer grounds. It's not a difficult concept, organisms have been doing it for trillions of years.
 
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Excon said:
:doh

And, as quoted, that bad information lead to their leaving.

Which shouldn't have happened.

However, based on the uncertainty of union requirements that we could not agree to and the uncertainty of whether a resolution could be reached, we ultimately made the decision to return them to Decatur after being stalled in the Virginia area most of the day on Thursday.​

And "much ado about nothing" is ridiculous as those on the left who were trying to defend the actions, had they actually been turned away, which isn't and wasn't justifiable as those on the left have tried to make it.
But let's all forget about the ridiculousness of the position that those on the left took and blame those on the right instead, huh? Hackery at it's finest is what that is.

And since it is now only that they had been given bad information which basically turned them away, you want to claim that there is no legs? Absurd. It shouldn't have happened and it did. That is the story.
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The only hackery being presented is yours. I LIVE in NJ and I have been following this story. No one was turned away... that's the misrepresentation that the extreme rightwing hacks are presenting. The quotes that you made tell part of the story. No one was turned away; while the crew was waiting for clarification on how to proceed. They received a report that they WRONGFULLY believed was from the NJ IEBW that implied a requirement of their employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. While waiting for that clarification, they realized that Seaside Heights had received the help requested from other sources. There are plenty of crews from California, Michigan, Ohio, and all throughout the state. I've seen them. A crew from Michigan restored my power, yesterday. And companies are accepting non-union crews without a problem. The issue was that the report was NOT from the IEBW, but from the Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities being concerned about non-union workers. Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.

Here is the ACCURATE story from Alabama:

DECATUR, AL (WAFF) - A Decatur Utilities crew left Alabama to help with storm recovery in New Jersey, but did not make the trip because of what they are now calling confusion over union paperwork.


The six-man crew staged in Virginia, but Decatur Utilities said they were never able to get in touch with officials or utility companies in New York or New Jersey. While the crew stood down in Virginia, Decatur Utilities officials claimed they received a union contract they thought they would have to agree to before helping storm victims.
General Manager Ray Hardin appeared on Fox Business Channel Friday morning saying, "We were presented documents from IBEW that required our folks to affiliate with the unions and that was something we could not agree to."
Decatur Utilities later released a statement expanding on that, "Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas."
Late Friday at a press conference, Hardin said the documents actually came from Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities.
Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.
Hardin said as they waited for confirmation on the documents, crews received word that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources.
"At this stage, it is not clear who is alleged to have turned the crew away and the company that employs the affected workers has denied the claim," said IBEW President Ed Hill in a statement. "IBEW local leaders in New Jersey have reiterated what has been the long standing record of our union – in times of crisis all help is welcome and we pull together with everyone to meet the needs of the public. We have communicated this to the office of New Jersey Governor Christie as well."
The crew from Decatur Utilities attempted to look for work in other areas, but Hardin said based on the uncertainty of other union requirements, they made the decision to return home after being stalled in Virginia most of the day Thursday.
Other utility crews from Alabama are still helping with storm cleanup. Huntsville Utilities said they were not turned away and are in Long Island, New York. Joe Wheeler EMC said they did not respond to New Jersey, but did travel to Maryland and headed home once they were finished.

Confusion causes utility crew to return from recovery effort - WAFF-TV: News, Weather and Sports for Huntsville, AL
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The video also indicates that there was no contact between the Alabama crew and NJ unions. The representative admits that the document came from Alabama Electric and he decided to pull his crew based on being confused by it and timing.

Also, the "confusing" agreement that was being discussed was with the IEBW... the NATIONAL organization. NJ local IEBW has consistently said that they will accept non-union workers in times of crisis; there are plenty of non-union workers there right now. There was never any contact between Alabama and local NJ workers.

Right wing hacks always get this sort of stuff wrong. They just don't research because of their partisan blinders. I'm glad I could correct all of the misinformation in this thread.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
The only hackery being presented is yours. I LIVE in NJ and I have been following this story. No one was turned away... that's the misrepresentation that the extreme rightwing hacks are presenting. The quotes that you made tell part of the story. No one was turned away; while the crew was waiting for clarification on how to proceed. They received a report that they WRONGFULLY believed was from the NJ IEBW that implied a requirement of their employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. While waiting for that clarification, they realized that Seaside Heights had received the help requested from other sources. There are plenty of crews from California, Michigan, Ohio, and all throughout the state. I've seen them. A crew from Michigan restored my power, yesterday. And companies are accepting non-union crews without a problem. The issue was that the report was NOT from the IEBW, but from the Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities being concerned about non-union workers. Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.

Here is the ACCURATE story from Alabama:



The video also indicates that there was no contact between the Alabama crew and NJ unions. The representative admits that the document came from Alabama Electric and he decided to pull his crew based on being confused by it and timing.

Also, the "confusing" agreement that was being discussed was with the IEBW... the NATIONAL organization. NJ local IEBW has consistently said that they will accept non-union workers in times of crisis; there are plenty of non-union workers there right now. There was never any contact between Alabama and local NJ workers.

Right wing hacks always get this sort of stuff wrong. They just don't research because of their partisan blinders. I'm glad I could correct all of the misinformation in this thread.
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I saw a convoy of power trucks from North Carolina the other day in Maryland headed north on I95, so they certainly seem to accepting help. It also fits with what you say that they will work with nonunion workers in a crisis.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
...Right wing hacks always get this sort of stuff wrong. They just don't research because of their partisan blinders. I'm glad I could correct all of the misinformation in this thread.
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Since the update, with which you make this assertion, wasn't published until 11:43 on Saturday morning AND MANY of the posts in this thread were before this update how exactly COULD us 'right wing hacks' have performend this research?

May I ask you, since you are so estute at performing said research, to work you skills rebuting this one?

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/02/t...stricken-new-york-for-refusing-to-join-union/

I found this most interesting:

“It turns out there was a 300-page contract that the union controlling LIPA [the Long Island Power Authority] wanted everybody to sign first,” the utility worker, who wanted to remain anonymous, said. “We don’t have time for that. We’ve got guys ready to go. You need lawyers for this.”
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Dickieboy said:
Since the update, with which you make this assertion, wasn't published until 11:43 on Saturday morning AND MANY of the posts in this thread were before this update how exactly COULD us 'right wing hacks' have performend this research?

...pathetic
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YOU posted after the update... several hours in fact. Guess you couldn't be bothered to check... you'd prefer to just believe the "liberal evil, conservative good" edict regardless of accuracy. Excon has the excuse that he didn't post after 12:43... but perhaps you "right wing hacks" might not have reacted so quickly with your partisanship. And, let's see which of you shows some integrity and admits they were wrong. Then I can indicate who is and is not pathetic.
 
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Klown said:
After all we have been through together - me slaughtering every single comment that you have posted and totally embarrassing you in public, and now you want to turn away from your therapeutic growth as a person?

I just dont understand it

I hope it wasnt the invoices I sent you the other week - I thought we agreed on my 30 minute block fee charges and that you were to handle the costs of your medication

Are you renegging on our agreement?
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ecofarm said:
I'm gonna have ta say no. Nothing against you personally, I'm just busy. Ask some other people, though; try the CT subforum.
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Klown said:
So you admit that you have been dragging around garbage all your life?

Well I agree with you on that point

First time for everything folks

ecofart and I are now mates - friends for life
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ecofarm said:
No, I ignored them because I think they're garbage.
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Klown said:
I noticed that you were petrified at dealing with the other points raised in my post

Thats understandable - you deny the chains that encircle your limbs and shut your ears to the rattle of your corporate ball thar drags behind you

You dont have much time left to act ecofart - the last place you should be wasting your time in, is the INTERNET CHAT ABYSS - especially the politically impotent forums
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This is so exciting!:popcorn2: Keep it up you guys are quite entertaining right now.:)
 
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PirateMk1 said:
This is so exciting!:popcorn2: Keep it up you guys are quite entertaining right now.:)
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Had my fun; however, the last post referring to me 'getting pwnd'/'running away' and a non-existing (and apparently derogatory, claiming I'm on meds) agreement was too creepy. I'm not sure what he supposedly gets for 'giving me meds', and I don't wanna know.
 
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Klown said:
After all we have been through together - me slaughtering every single comment that you have posted and totally embarrassing you in public, and now you want to turn away from your therapeutic growth as a person?

I just dont understand it

I hope it wasnt the invoices I sent you the other week - I thought we agreed on my 30 minute block fee charges and that you were to handle the costs of your medication

Are you renegging on our agreement?
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ecofarm said:
I'm gonna have ta say no. Nothing against you personally, I'm just busy. Ask some other people, though; try the CT subforum.
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Klown said:
So you admit that you have been dragging around garbage all your life?

Well I agree with you on that point

First time for everything folks

ecofart and I are now mates - friends for life
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ecofarm said:
No, I ignored them because I think they're garbage.
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Klown said:
I noticed that you were petrified at dealing with the other points raised in my post

Thats understandable - you deny the chains that encircle your limbs and shut your ears to the rattle of your corporate ball thar drags behind you

You dont have much time left to act ecofart - the last place you should be wasting your time in, is the INTERNET CHAT ABYSS - especially the politically impotent forums
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ecofarm said:
Had my fun; however, the last post referring to me 'getting pwnd'/'running away' and a non-existing (and apparently derogatory, claiming I'm on meds) agreement was too creepy. I'm not even sure what he supposedly gets for giving me my meds, and I don't wanna know.
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Call me weird, but I thought the whole exchange was funny as hell.:lol:
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
YOU posted after the update... several hours in fact. Guess you couldn't be bothered to check... you'd prefer to just believe the "liberal evil, conservative good" edict regardless of accuracy. Excon has the excuse that he didn't post after 12:43... but perhaps you "right wing hacks" might not have reacted so quickly with your partisanship. And, let's see which of you shows some integrity and admits they were wrong. Then I can indicate who is and is not pathetic.
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So what of my edit?
 
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Dickieboy said:
So what of my edit?
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I read the 31 page email that the Alabama crew got. It was legalese gobbledygook that no one could understand. However, it was between the national organization of the IEBW, NOT any organization from NJ. The Alabama people never actually spoke with anyone from NJ to discuss the matter... they admitted that on the video from my link. The IEBW in NJ has been clear about allowing non-union workers to work during this crisis. There are crews doing this, currently.

As far as your link... it's from a decidedly conservative site. I give it as much credence as the Alabama situation... which has been shown to be false. None. Present a non-partisan site discussing the Georgia situation and I'll consider it having some credibility. Until then, it has none.

So, are you going to admit you were wrong about the Alabama crew?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
The only hackery being presented is yours. I LIVE in NJ and I have been following this story. No one was turned away... that's the misrepresentation that the extreme rightwing hacks are presenting. The quotes that you made tell part of the story. No one was turned away; while the crew was waiting for clarification on how to proceed. They received a report that they WRONGFULLY believed was from the NJ IEBW that implied a requirement of their employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. While waiting for that clarification, they realized that Seaside Heights had received the help requested from other sources. There are plenty of crews from California, Michigan, Ohio, and all throughout the state. I've seen them. A crew from Michigan restored my power, yesterday. And companies are accepting non-union crews without a problem. The issue was that the report was NOT from the IEBW, but from the Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities being concerned about non-union workers. Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.

Here is the ACCURATE story from Alabama:



The video also indicates that there was no contact between the Alabama crew and NJ unions. The representative admits that the document came from Alabama Electric and he decided to pull his crew based on being confused by it and timing.

Also, the "confusing" agreement that was being discussed was with the IEBW... the NATIONAL organization. NJ local IEBW has consistently said that they will accept non-union workers in times of crisis; there are plenty of non-union workers there right now. There was never any contact between Alabama and local NJ workers.

Right wing hacks always get this sort of stuff wrong. They just don't research because of their partisan blinders. I'm glad I could correct all of the misinformation in this thread.
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You are so far off base with your right wing comment that it is ridiculous.
Secondly, it should be left wing/liberal hackery, and you are doing a great job at it yourself by saying such about the right.

It's like you assumed something was being argued that wasn't. Strange. You should at least read and understand what is being said before commenting.


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The only hackery being presented is yours.
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The actual hackery was that which was provided by those who I assume are on the left.
They wanted the Unions to be put before those that needed help from a disaster.
That is absolute hackery, and it is wrong.
So obviously wrong that even the Unions agree with the position that I took. They welcome the help.

Even though the initial reports were wrong, the hacks were astonishingly ok with it as reported, and supported what had supposedly happened.
Their argued position is ridiculous, untenable and above all, still Hackery and wrong. As shown.

And for the most part, that was what this thread had been about. Disputing their hackery.
And you want to claim that the only hackery was mine. Your claim is absurd.


CaptainCourtesy said:
No one was turned away...
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Had your bothered to read the thread you would have noticed that over 150 post previously I made the following reply.


Excon said:
From the article.

UPDATE: Jersey Central Power & Light spokesman Ron Morano told Cablevision’s News12 on Friday that his company has accepted help from all crews. “We have not turned away any help,” he said. “Absolutely not.”

... other workers in a coastal New Jersey town told them they couldn’t lend a hand without a union card.

that crews in Seaside Heights, N.J. turned him and his crewmates away, saying they couldn’t do any work there because they’re not union employees.​
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Clearly at that point it was understood that they were not purposely turned away by the Union, and I have even said such.

And at which point the argument became; "The power company did not turn them away, the Union Workers did."

Which also shows that I was keeping abreast of the story.

Not only that, but roughly 23 hours before your post, I made the following reply quoting the "Official Press Release" clearly indicating that I was clearly keeping abreast of the story and it changes.

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Except that entirely it wasn't.
They were still mislead which resulted in their not helping. Which is the gist of the story.
From your above link.

The general manager of the other department mentioned, Decatur Utilities, has since verified claims that his workers were asked to affiliate with a union. ​

And your above link, links to the following entry which contains the press release.

"Decatur Utilities sent a 6-man crew to the Northeast Wednesday, October 31, bound for Seaside Heights, N.J., to assist with power restoration. Communication with Seaside Heights was poor due to lack of cell phone service in the area. Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that [highlight]implied a requirement[/highlight] of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas. As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources. To be clear, at no time were our crews 'turned away' from the utility in Seaside Heights.

"In connection with state and regional public power associations, Decatur Utilities attempted to contact other areas that needed assistance. However, based on the uncertainty of union requirements that we could not agree to and the uncertainty of whether a resolution could be reached, we ultimately made the decision to return them to Decatur after being stalled in the Virginia area most of the day on Thursday."
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Excon said:
:doh

And, as quoted, that bad information lead to their leaving.

Which shouldn't have happened.
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Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts.
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Your comment deserves a "Doh" because you are just presenting the same thing.
That bad information lead to their leaving like I said.
Which shouldn't have happened, as I said.


CaptainCourtesy said:
The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.
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And thereby showing that the leftist/liberal hacks were wrong from the get, as was previously shown.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Excon has the excuse that he didn't post after 12:43... but perhaps you "right wing hacks" might not have reacted so quickly with your partisanship. And, let's see which of you shows some integrity and admits they were wrong. Then I can indicate who is and is not pathetic.
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Then I would suggest you admit you were wrong about me.
And again, the hackery was from those on the left supporting and defending the Unions actions in the original presentation.
Even though it didn't happen, it doesn't change the fact that they were fully in support of it at the expense of disaster victims.
Dianna summed it up quite nicely.

DiAnna said:
I'm sure this is woefully off topic by now, but I just read the article.

I am frankly disgusted that this tragedy was compounded by politics when non-union volunteers... you know, people who are giving their time and expertise for free... are turned away to protect union workers, who most certainly will NOT give their time and expertise for free. Millions of people without electricity, and the unions are willing to make those people wait days, maybe weeks, longer to have electrical service reestablished and at considerable cost to the state, a cost that could have been substantially reduced by utilizing these volunteers.

This isn't a pro-or-anti union issue. It's a pro-humanity issue, people being prevented from helping those in terrible distress for free so that those same people can be price-gouged and have their service delayed out of pure protectionism and unadulterated greed.
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Even though the report was wrong, the hacks on the left supported the reported action.
That is the sad part about this whole thing, and yet you do not want to recognize that (or at least haven't), and would rather make false claims of hackery.
Doubly shameful.
 
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Excon said:
The actual hackery was that which was provided by those who I assume are on the left. They wanted the Unions to be put before those that needed help from a disaster. That is absolute hackery, and it is wrong.
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This is wrong. I was arguing that the union workers who are trained to do this kind of work should be put to work along with the volunteers, but not to call in volunteers if there are qualified union people on the bench. It only takes a phone call to get them mobilized, especially since the union ALREADY has an existing contract with the power company (ies). Everyone was arguing that it would take too long and blah, blah, blah, and when I asked them why it would take too long, the best thing they could come up with is paperwork or something along those lines, which is bull since that should already be taken care of.
 
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ChrisL said:
This is wrong. I was arguing that the union workers who are trained to do this kind of work should be put to work along with the volunteers, but not to call in volunteers if there are qualified union people on the bench. It only takes a phone call to get them mobilized, especially since the union ALREADY has an existing contract with the power company (ies). Everyone was arguing that it would take too long and blah, blah, blah, and when I asked them why it would take too long, the best thing they could come up with is paperwork or something along those lines, which is bull since that should already be taken care of.
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No you weren't.
Your second post in the topic. Post #25.

ChrisL said:
They can easily get in-state union guys to do the work. The workers who reside in the state should get the work IMO.
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No, you were not arguing what you now say you were.
And it is why many were telling you, you were wrong.

Your third post.

ChrisL said:
Mycroft said:
At the expense of the people whose lives are devastated?
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How is it "at the expense of the people?" They will still get help.
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Shall I continue?
It only gets more damning.


Your forth post.

ChrisL said:
That's a laugh. There are more than enough "trained" people that already exist in NJ that could handle the work.

I care about giving the people who live in those communities the opportunity for the work FIRST. A lot of people are DYING for a job and work and money.
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Your fifth Post.

ChrisL said:
This is about out-of-state workers coming in to take jobs from locals.
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Like I said, it only gets more damning.
Should I continue?
 
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Excon said:
No you weren't.
Your second post in the topic. Post #25.



No, you were not arguing what you now say you were.
And it is why many were telling you, you were wrong.

Your third post.




Shall I continue?
It only gets more damning.


Your forth post.
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Yes, I want the local union members to get the work, but that doesn't mean I don't want the volunteers to help too if needed. I never ever said that. You are just assuming crap just because I didn't spell everything out.
 
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I'm thinking about guys (or girls) who have been sitting on the bench waiting for work and out of work for God knows how long, and they get with this hurricane, and then they have a LOT of extra expenses. Then, they bring in people from out of state who are volunteers to do work, and these poor guys are still out of a job? That's like a slap in the face IMO.
 
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What are you doing Excon? Looking through my posts? :lol:
 
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Excon said:
You are so far off base with your right wing comment that it is ridiculous.
Secondly, it should be left wing/liberal hackery, and you are doing a great job at it yourself by saying such about the right.

It's like you assumed something was being argued that wasn't. Strange. You should at least read and understand what is being said before commenting.
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No, I was right on target with my comment about your hackery. Neither the power company NOR the union turned anyone away. That is clear and has been clear. All you are doing is switching from the power company to the union. You are wrong on both counts.

The actual hackery was that which was provided by those who I assume are on the left.
They wanted the Unions to be put before those that needed help from a disaster.
That is absolute hackery, and it is wrong.
So obviously wrong that even the Unions agree with the position that I took. They welcome the help.

Even though the initial reports were wrong, the hacks were astonishingly ok with it as reported, and supported what had supposedly happened.
Their argued position is ridiculous, untenable and above all, still Hackery and wrong. As shown.

And for the most part, that was what this thread had been about. Disputing their hackery.
And you want to claim that the only hackery was mine. Your claim is absurd.
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None of what you said above is accurate in any way.



Had your bothered to read the thread you would have noticed that over 150 post previously I made the following reply.


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Clearly at that point it was understood that they were not purposely turned away by the Union, and I have even said such.

And at which point the argument became; "The power company did not turn them away, the Union Workers did."

Which also shows that I was keeping abreast of the story.

Not only that, but roughly 23 hours before your post, I made the following reply quoting the "Official Press Release" clearly indicating that I was clearly keeping abreast of the story and it changes.

Added green underlining and highlighting to further your understanding.
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Again, this has all been refuted. Not only was no one turned away, but the issue had zero to do with the power company OR the union. If you were keeping up with the story, you'd know that.




Your comment deserves a "Doh" because you are just presenting the same thing.
That bad information lead to their leaving like I said.
Which shouldn't have happened, as I said.
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Which had nothing to do with the Union... which you DIDN'T say. Prepared to say THAT?


And thereby showing that the leftist/liberal hacks were wrong from the get, as was previously shown.
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Actually showing that rightwing hacks were wrong from the get go, as I have proven.
 
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ChrisL said:
Yes, I want the local union members to get the work, but that doesn't mean I don't want the volunteers to help too if needed. I never ever said that. You are just assuming crap just because I didn't spell everything out.
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BS!
ChrisL said:
They can easily get in-state union guys to do the work.
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ChrisL said:
This is about out-of-state workers coming in to take jobs from locals.
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ChrisL said:
There are more than enough "trained" people that already exist in NJ that could handle the work.
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You may have later come to the position that you assert above, but it really wasn't and hasn't been the position you were arguing.

You were, and have been more than ok with them being turned away by the Union, as initially reported. And that is the hackery.



Only later did you capitulate a little by saying the following, although showing that you still supported the turning away of volunteers.

ChrisL said:
Why are you assuming that they NEED the outside help to get what needs to be done in a timely fashion. Like I said, there are PLENTY of locals who are capable who are unemployed. Even if they aren't union workers, the local residents who ARE electricians, etc., should be offered the opportunity FIRST before bringing in out-of-staters who will not contribute much to the local economy.
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But then you go right back to it, supporting the reported event with the following statement.

ChrisL said:
If they turned away volunteers, I can only imagine it is because there are still unemployed workers who SHOULD get first dibs on any jobs. Giving the work to local employees helps boost the local economy.
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And more argument supporting the supposed occurrence.

ChrisL said:
Yes, but they are NOT putting much money back into the local economy. If you put the local people to work in your own city, your city benefits as a result. That is only common sense.
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Then we have this exchange that you also show you didn't understand.

Dusty Rhodes said:
ChrisL said:
Dusty Rhodes said:
Putting money into the economy is not the job here. Helping people in a disaster is what has to be done. You're not getting it. People need food, water, shelter, clothing, and power. Wake up.
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There is nothing wrong with employing the local people FIRST. That is what the problem is, I believe. The local union workers who ARE capable want to be put to work, and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.
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This has nothing to do with employing people. Do you understand?
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But then it again goes back to the ridiculous.
Saying it is ok to turn away disaster relief volunteers, in a time of disaster, in favor of paid employment for locals.
A ridiculous argument.

ChrisL said:
Do you really think that if all the local community "resources" were used up, that they would have turned down volunteers? I think it is because there are still skilled unemployed people that could handle the work but haven't been asked. If you can prove otherwise, then please post me a link.
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And the following sums up your position quite nicely, and is why you were in favor and argued in support of what was reported as happening.
ChrisL said:
Why doesn't anyone get upset that the local workers get screwed while the state gets a freebie. Instead of paying local people who have probably been out of work for a while, they want to bring in out-of-state volunteers. That part makes me angry.
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And that is only a third of the way through the topic.
 
Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

Excon said:
Then I would suggest you admit you were wrong about me.
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Except I wasn't as your further posts have proven. Are you about to admit that the issue had zero to with the power company or the union... as I have prioven?

And again, the hackery was from those on the left supporting and defending the Unions actions in the original presentation.
Even though it didn't happen, it doesn't change the fact that they were fully in support of it at the expense of disaster victims.
Dianna summed it up quite nicely.
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Even though the report was wrong, the hacks on the left supported the reported action.
That is the sad part about this whole thing, and yet you do not want to recognize that (or at least haven't), and would rather make false claims of hackery.
Doubly shameful.
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And since the report was wrong, are the rightwing hacks who have blamed the union prepared to retract? Or are they going to hold onto their hackery? Are you going to retract?
 
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