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Native American Catholic Saint???

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Kateri Tekakwitha Becomes First American Indian Saint - Yahoo! News <-- click it

Kateri Tekakwitha was named the first Native American saint today by Pope Benedict XVI in a ceremony held in St. Peter's Square.

Some 80,000 people came to the open-air ceremony as the 17th century Mohawk-Algonquin woman and six others were canonized.
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As if that's not enough, here's the part that just floors me....

The Washington boy was near death for months with a flesh eating bacteria, but made a miraculous recovery that the Vatican credited to Tekakwitha.

The Vatican said it believes that the prayers Finkbonner's family directed to Tekakwitha were responsible for bringing the boy back from the brink of death.
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Seriously?

Is it any wonder that those of us who don't believe will find stuff like this pointing towards the edges of insanity????
 
Yeah, since white folks most probably brought the disease in the first place.

Makes me understand fully how athiests come to that conclusion.

But, people love stories of miracles, every religion and even Wiccans.
 
I doubt she'd be very pleased. What with all genocide and the Christian zeal that helped fuel it. Something about bringing enlightenment to heathen savages, I think. Yeah, this is actually kind of insulting.
 
Dragonfly said:
Kateri Tekakwitha Becomes First American Indian Saint - Yahoo! News <-- click it



As if that's not enough, here's the part that just floors me....



Seriously?

Is it any wonder that those of us who don't believe will find stuff like this pointing towards the edges of insanity????
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The boy that was cured by the miracle is a Native American. Doctors performed 29 surgeries to save his life and reconstruct his face. Within 4 days of being infected the doctors were pessimistic about saving him. And that's when fellow members of the Lummi tribe began praying to Kateri Tekakwitha.
Boy's miracle cure makes Native American saint - SFGate
 
Uzidoesit said:
Yeah, since white folks most probably brought the disease in the first place.

Makes me understand fully how athiests come to that conclusion.

But, people love stories of miracles, every religion and even Wiccans.
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But miracles occasionally do happen.
 
Fiddytree said:
Oh, the cries of the anti-Catholics.
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Since when is it anti-Catholic to you know.... be in favor of logical explanations to things? Oh wait... the Catholic church is, as a historical entity, anti-science. So being pro-science means you're anti-Catholic. We gets it. Carry on.
 
I don't care if they make hin a saint. What I do find absurd and idolatrous is the idea that dead Catholics can have miracles atributed to them.
 
Hatuey said:
Since when is it anti-Catholic to you know.... be in favor of logical explanations to things? Oh wait... the Catholic church is, as a historical entity, anti-science. So being pro-science means you're anti-Catholic. We gets it. Carry on.
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Yet in comparison with the Protestants now, Catholics are quite high on the list of being western-scientific-friendly, and are quite fine with symbolic acts rather than literal interpretation.
 
Hatuey said:
Since when is it anti-Catholic to you know.... be in favor of logical explanations to things? Oh wait... the Catholic church is, as a historical entity, anti-science. So being pro-science means you're anti-Catholic. We gets it. Carry on.
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I thought the Vatican was pretty scrupulous about verifying sainthood. When did this change?
 
nota bene said:
I thought the Vatican was pretty scrupulous about verifying sainthood. When did this change?
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The proposition is based on faith and miraculous events: a difficult proposition for the immense skeptic of the concept itself.
 
Fiddytree said:
The proposition is based on faith and miraculous events: a difficult proposition for the immense skeptic of the concept itself.
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I thought the decision to beatify and etc. with subject to scientific verification, so I Googled:

"A miracle demands empirical proof that a healing phenomenon occurred without any credible scientific explanation."

Everybody will appreciate the source: The Canonization Process for Sainthood - For Dummies
 
nota bene said:
I thought the decision to beatify and etc. with subject to scientific verification, so I Googled:

"A miracle demands empirical proof that a healing phenomenon occurred without any credible scientific explanation."

Everybody will appreciate the source: The Canonization Process for Sainthood - For Dummies
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The presumption most will have is that there is some scientific explanation, whether ignored by the institution or by a lack of scientific knowledge or information about that specific event.
 
nota bene said:
I thought the Vatican was pretty scrupulous about verifying sainthood. When did this change?
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Hahaha whaaaaat? Scrupulous? What's scrupulous about a non-scientific investigation?
 
Hatuey said:
Since when is it anti-Catholic to you know.... be in favor of logical explanations to things? Oh wait... the Catholic church is, as a historical entity, anti-science. So being pro-science means you're anti-Catholic. We gets it. Carry on.
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I don't know, Catholics pretty much invented science... and it is a religion that is open to criticism among it's own members. Catholicism is very much a collaboration of philosophic and scientific thought... though some members of it throughout history may lead you to believe it is not, but they were corrupted by power like any other human being.
 
digsbe said:
I don't care if they make hin a saint. What I do find absurd and idolatrous is the idea that dead Catholics can have miracles atributed to them.
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Incorrect, and based on a misunderstanding of Catholic doctrine. Ultimately it is God who is responsible for the miracle, saints merely "have God's ear" so to speak. It is not much different than the miracles of the Old Testament prophets or the Apostles, which all Christians acknowledge. Why anybody would leap to the conclusion that it is idolatrous without full possession of the facts is beyond me, and seems to indicate an anti-Catholic attitude.

Here is a detailed explanation to correct your common error: The Intercession of the Saints | Catholic Answers
 
The general bigotry against Catholics revealed in this thread is stunning.
 
Guy Incognito said:
The general bigotry against Catholics revealed in this thread is stunning.
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The catholic church, the catholic empire, and the catholic corporation deserve every bit of scorn they get, and they deserve very little sympathy or empathy from it as well.
 
I am a little confused about this discussion.
A religious organization decided to award and internal group award to a long dead member
based on their own rules.
What is there to discuss?
 
longview said:
I am a little confused about this discussion.
A religious organization decided to award and internal group award to a long dead member
based on their own rules.
What is there to discuss?
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Agreed. Let's just create one catch all thread called "Why I hate Religion" and people can go there and spew their hatred, belittle religious people and their customs and mock their beliefs. For all of you responding to the trolls that create these threads don't waste your time and give them more fuel to express their views.
 
jambalaya said:
Agreed. Let's just create one catch all thread called "Why I hate Religion" and people can go there and spew their hatred, belittle religious people and their customs and mock their beliefs. For all of you responding to the trolls that create these threads don't waste your time and give them more fuel to express their views.
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We mock the religion like you mock liberals.
See how that works? it's a two way street.
Now go pray.
 
I´m no believer, but the amount of outrage directed at the church for innocuous things like this beggars belief more than the idea of miracles.
 
Guy Incognito said:
That is one ****ty street.
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Of course it is. I mean, why do non believers have to tip tow around believers and be sensitive to their religious feelings. I mean, isn't it the conservative mantra to say "grow some thick skin?" I really never under stood their do as i say, not as i do.

In all of these political forums, you see trash talk about the "other side". Why is it different for religion?
 
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