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Native American Catholic Saint???

Blackdog said:
I am not downing my Catholic brothers and sisters, I am no better a sinner, lol. I just disagree with non-biblical church laws as I don't agree the Pope is God's word on earth. It is just a mans law vs Gods law thing for me. I mean dead is dead, saint or not. Nothing in the Bible as far as I have read or studied says the dead have arisen yet. But hey, I could be wrong.

So no biggie.
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No biggie at all, just trying to give the Catholic perspective. Think about this though, the Catholic church is the original christian church, we kind of had a hand in writing the bible.
 
LaMidRighter said:
No biggie at all, just trying to give the Catholic perspective. Think about this though, the Catholic church is the original christian church, we kind of had a hand in writing the bible.
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Not really, it took writings from much earlier and put them into one place. I mean the Catholic church follows things that are OT and don't even apply to Christians at all. Things that go directly against what Christ taught, you can't justify that by saying well the Pope said it was OK.

They took what they wanted and used it to gain power and supported things like the Inquisition, Hitler etc. The church, any church is nothing more than fallible men and only God's law is forever. The profits, Apostles etc have been gone for a long time. And the hierarchy of the Catholic church has made HUGE mistakes in history since then. Sided with pure evil, converted via the sword and even hid child molesters in more recent times. Any church is supposed to be a shinning light of Gods love and mercy, not hiding secrets and backing dictators etc.

Many Catholics are blessed and will be in heaven, this does not however absolve the Catholic church of it's pagan roots and blasphemous behavior over time. They have been the single most disastrous representation of Christs love on this planet, and did evil in his name. Fortunately that can be forgiven, but the damage to the Catholic churches reputation will be much harder to recover, if ever.

Darn it, I am way off topic. Forgive me. I am done.

Have a good one man. I will even let you have the last word, something I am loath to do, lol.
 
Blackdog said:
Not really, it took writings from much earlier and put them into one place. I mean the Catholic church follows things that are OT and don't even apply to Christians at all. Things that go directly against what Christ taught, you can't justify that by saying well the Pope said it was OK.

They took what they wanted and used it to gain power and supported things like the Inquisition, Hitler etc. The church, any church is nothing more than fallible men and only God's law is forever. The profits, Apostles etc have been gone for a long time. And the hierarchy of the Catholic church has made HUGE mistakes in history since then. Sided with pure evil, converted via the sword and even hid child molesters in more recent times. Any church is supposed to be a shinning light of Gods love and mercy, not hiding secrets and backing dictators etc.

Many Catholics are blessed and will be in heaven, this does not however absolve the Catholic church of it's pagan roots and blasphemous behavior over time. They have been the single most disastrous representation of Christs love on this planet, and did evil in his name. Fortunately that can be forgiven, but the damage to the Catholic churches reputation will be much harder to recover, if ever.

Darn it, I am way off topic. Forgive me. I am done.

Have a good one man. I will even let you have the last word, something I am loath to do, lol.
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I don't know who issues these things man but I've heard the "Catholics borrowed, changed....." argument a whole bunch of times. Keep in mind that some reform churches spread a lot of misinformation about Catholics over the years and things aren't as simple as "those damn Catholics borrowed, misrepresented, etc" we have our own problems sure, but I've seen much worse from some fringe christian groups and evangelicals.
 
Fiddytree said:
Yet in comparison with the Protestants now, Catholics are quite high on the list of being western-scientific-friendly, and are quite fine with symbolic acts rather than literal interpretation.
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Strange then, that the greatest christian scientists/philosophers came out of protestant Europe, eh?

Do you ever get tired of just making crap up on the internet or do you just have some strange fixation on lying about protestants? I see you again dragging them into some non-related thread and your typical made up "facts".
 
vendur said:
Strange then, that the greatest christian scientists/philosophers came out of protestant Europe, eh?

Do you ever get tired of just making crap up on the internet or do you just have some strange fixation on lying about protestants? I see you again dragging them into some non-related thread and your typical made up "facts".
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Dude....what is your problem? I get that you aren't well versed in witchcraft history, but do you have to resort to this sort of strange rambling attacks?
 
Fiddytree said:
Dude....what is your problem? I get that you aren't well versed in witchcraft history, but do you have to resort to this sort of strange rambling attacks?
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My problem. at this juncture. is you making crap up while not having the slightest clue what the hell you are talking about.

Clear things up?
 
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