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William Koch, Billionaire Koch Brother, Accused Of Imprisoning Executive

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Billionaire William Koch is facing a lawsuit in federal court from a former top-level employee who claims the energy mogul lured him to a secluded property, where he was imprisoned and interrogated for a period of time, according to a report in Courthouse News.
John Houston Scott, an attorney for Kirby Martenson, a former executive for a number of Koch subsidiaries, confirmed the story to HuffPost, adding that he guessed the case could go to trial in a year.



William Koch, Billionaire Koch Brother, Accused Of Imprisoning Executive
 
Billionaire William Koch is facing a lawsuit in federal court from a former top-level employee who claims the energy mogul lured him to a secluded property, where he was imprisoned and interrogated for a period of time, according to a report in Courthouse News.
John Houston Scott, an attorney for Kirby Martenson, a former executive for a number of Koch subsidiaries, confirmed the story to HuffPost, adding that he guessed the case could go to trial in a year.



William Koch, Billionaire Koch Brother, Accused Of Imprisoning Executive



If true quite a shock


and if true I strongly doubt he would see any jail time, when an ordinary person would get 10 years or so
 
and if true I strongly doubt he would see any jail time, when an ordinary person would get 10 years or so

It's a tort, so I highly doubt even an ordinary person would get 10 years.
 
Forceable confinement in my books is equal to kidnapping, and generally kidnapping is more then just a few years
The plantiff seems to want just money, but it should also become a criminal trial
 
Forceable confinement in my books is equal to kidnapping, and generally kidnapping is more then just a few years
The plantiff seems to want just money, but it should also become a criminal trial

So you think there's enough evidence to bring a criminal case, but the district attorney is refusing to do so because Koch is rich?
 
So you think there's enough evidence to bring a criminal case, but the district attorney is refusing to do so because Koch is rich?

Money can buy alot of legal resources. The DA only has so much, and wants to keeps their win record as high as possible. Which generally allows for the easier to prove civil lawsuit as the only means to partially right a wrong

( See the OJ Simpson Trial)
 
Money can buy alot of legal resources. The DA only has so much, and wants to keeps their win record as high as possible. Which generally allows for the easier to prove civil lawsuit as the only means to partially right a wrong

( See the OJ Simpson Trial)

So you've pretty much made up your mind about all this already.
 
Really where did i say that

Did i not say if this is true in the very first post i made

So you admit you don't know the facts, but you have no problem impugning our criminal justice system and asserting that they will cynically neglect to prosecute Koch because he is rich.
 
So you admit you don't know the facts, but you have no problem impugning our criminal justice system and asserting that they will cynically neglect to prosecute Koch because he is rich.

Yes that part is exactly what i am saying

Justice or lack of it is heavily influenced by the amount of money a person has to spend.
 
Yes that part is exactly what i am saying

Justice or lack of it is heavily influenced by the amount of money a person has to spend.

I couldn't disagree more. I think it has a lot more to do with political connections and the type of crime. Koch might be able to get away with an open white collar crime, like the banking cartel did in 2008, but nobody, no matter how rich, gets a pass for things like kidnapping.
 
I couldn't disagree more. I think it has a lot more to do with political connections and the type of crime. Koch might be able to get away with an open white collar crime, like the banking cartel did in 2008, but nobody, no matter how rich, gets a pass for things like kidnapping.


They certainly can

Buy the best lawyers, overwhelm the DA with motions purchase your own forensic specialists, if helpful psychologist to diagnose the victim, spend money for PI`s to look into the past of the accuser, and chances are greater for a wealthy person to get off then a person of more limited meana
 
They certainly can

Buy the best lawyers, overwhelm the DA with motions purchase your own forensic specialists, if helpful psychologist to diagnose the victim, spend money for PI`s to look into the past of the accuser, and chances are greater for a wealthy person to get off then a person of more limited mean


That sounds like an empirical claim. Do you have some evidence to support your assessment of those chances?
 
Does Wealth Really Equal Privilege in the Criminal Justice System? - Blog
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/(S(...articleid=22532&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
How the justice system in America favors the wealthy and powerful - by Helium01 - Helium


Are a few links¸
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Now lets consider the quality of defense.

If you were accused of a crime who do you want defending you, an overworked public defender with no budget for outside support, or a bunch of lawyers with a million dollar plus bugdet (supplied by you) dedending you.

Which group most often pleads out, the one with the public defender or private lawyers costing $400 or more per hour


Or more to the point

There is a reason those that can afford it buy the best lawyers and defense possible, otherwise everyone would rely on the Public Defender for their legal needs. To my knowledge, only those with no means rely on PD`s. I am sure Turtledude would have more oto say on wealth and how it affects legal results
 
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Does Wealth Really Equal Privilege in the Criminal Justice System? - Blog
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/(S(...articleid=22532&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
How the justice system in America favors the wealthy and powerful - by Helium01 - Helium


Are a few links¸
¸
Now lets consider the quality of defense.

If you were accused of a crime who do you want defending you, an overworked public defender with no budget for outside support, or a bunch of lawyers with a million dollar plus bugdet (supplied by you) dedending you.

Which group most often pleads out, the one with the public defender or private lawyers costing $400 or more per hour


Or more to the point

There is a reason those that can afford it buy the best lawyers and defense possible, otherwise everyone would rely on the Public Defender for their legal needs. To my knowledge, only those with no means rely on PD`s. I am sure Turtledude would have more oto say on wealth and how it affects legal results
Those links aren't evidence, they are unsourced, anecdotal opinion pieces and they do not even support your claim that there are greater for a wealthy person to get off then a person of more limited means.
 
Those links aren't evidence, they are unsourced, anecdotal opinion pieces and they do not even support your claim that there are greater for a wealthy person to get off then a person of more limited means.

Oh my mistake

I am sure people will spend tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands on their legal defense instead of relying on public defenders, just because it feels good, not because good top lawyers are effective
 
So you admit you don't know the facts, but you have no problem impugning our criminal justice system and asserting that they will cynically neglect to prosecute Koch because he is rich.

I have no problem saying the rich get a different kind of justice than the poor.

Theres a reason white ri h kids get probation for the same crime that puts a poor kid behind bars for years.
 
Theres a reason white ri h kids get probation for the same crime that puts a poor kid behind bars for years.
That has a lot more to do with systemic racism than a wealth disparity.
 
That has a lot more to do with systemic racism than a wealth disparity.

Forgot to put poor white kids.

Money buys better outcomes.

I'm sure outright corruption plays a role as well.

If things got hot for Koch he'd just run to a non extradition country and run his empire from there.

From a villa on the beach.
 
Forgot to put poor white kids.

Money buys better outcomes.

I'm sure outright corruption plays a role as well.

If things got hot for Koch he'd just run to a non extradition country and run his empire from there.

From a villa on the beach.

These are very severe accusations to blithely make against our criminal justice system with no evidence.
 
If true quite a shock


and if true I strongly doubt he would see any jail time, when an ordinary person would get 10 years or so

IF ITS A LAWSUIT that means a civil suit


clue-civil lawsuits don't involve criminal penalties
 
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