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The bullies win again[W710; 739]

Excon said:
And this is where you lose all credibility, and show everybody that all you are spouting is emotive blather, because I have said numerous time already that the guy should be held responsible for his actions. But her taking her life is not one of them.
She is solely responsible for that decision.
No one forced her. No one cajoled her. No one convinced her.
She decided to do it all on her own because she was unstable and could not cope.
No one else.

And what lead to that decision was not his actions.
Get your facts straight.
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He is not going to be tried for murder. Settle down.
 
Excon said:
And this is where you lose all credibility, and show everybody that all you are spouting is emotive blather, because I have said numerous time already that the guy should be held responsible for his actions. But her taking her life is not one of them.
She is solely responsible for that decision.
No one forced her. No one cajoled her. No one convinced her.
She decided to do it all on her own because she was unstable and could not cope.
No one else.

And what lead to that decision was not his actions.
Get your facts straight.
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Nope, you prove my point. You will not even acknowledge that her bullying, constant torment, and eventual suicide was directly influenced by that man's actions. WHY do you bend over backwards to defend that bully??

Have you ever been tormented, bullied so badly that you were driven to take drugs/cut and eventually commit suicide? Not only that, but you must acknowledge that girls are usually more emotional/sensitive than boys.

His actions were directly tied to her death. Do you honestly think you can pretend he doesn't exist in this tragedy?
 
Medusa said:
no children arent held responsible for their actions..
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Thats insane thinking .....and what I find most disturbing is all of these "good kids" committing crimes. Where are the criminals, the bad kids? Have they stopped? Are they now unemployed at their trade because of the "good kids" taking over break-ins, robberies and car thefts?
 
ric27 said:
*weep*

I believe in, the rule of the jungle....."only the strong survive” and “predators prey on the weak”...Period

In the jungle, predators go after the weak and sick. They chase/capture and eventually eat their sorry asses….that's natures way of keeping everybody healthy plus, the weeding/thinning out of the herd.

What happened to her was natures way of thinning out the herd.....it's that simple


Welcome to life, John.nosetip.... its hard, it's a bitch. Get over it.
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Join the Taliban. They'll let you stone women so you can show what a tough guy your are.
 
Chelsea said:
I have my facts straight she showed herself to this guy when she was in 7th grade (or 8th.because she actually flashed him a year later). This guy was somehow able to track her to 2 different schools and.expose her on facebook to all her "friends" And then the drama with the boyfriend who was already taken that got a group of kids to jump her. She was 15 when she killed herself.


If this guy had never tracked her down so vehemently just to coerce a strip tease from her then she wouldn't have ended up in the other situations. She made a bad choice as teenager (like omg no one ever does that!) and it haunted her . She didn't ask for this and as a teenager, i don't know about you, but I certainly wasn't able to gauge the long term effects od my actions at 15 or 16, let alone 13 or 14! To blame her is like blaming a child. She may have had the intellectual capacity to know what she did was wrong or even that suicide wasn't the answer, but her 15 year old emotions hadn't caught up to her rationale. An adutt can process that things will get better, sex, and peer conflict. This girl wasn't legally.able to.drive, consent to sex, or move herself out of the situation to more supportive surroundings.
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No you do not have them straight.


In addition, she did not take her life because of those actions either.

As already pointed out, her recent inability to cope and her decision to kill herself extended from a different and more recent set of circumstances.


... do you realize that his harassment was far removed in time from her decision to kill herself.
And that what was bothering her at the time was the following.

"A guy then yelled, 'Just punch her already,' so [the girlfriend] did," Todd wrote. "She threw me to the ground and punched me several times. Kids filmed it. I was all alone and left on the ground."

Todd said she "wanted to die so bad" when her dad found her in a ditch. She drank bleach when she went home and had to be rushed to the hospital to have her stomach pumped, she said.

"After I got home, all I saw was on Facebook--'She deserved it. Did you wash the mud out of your hair? I hope she's dead,'" she wrote.
Bullied Teen Amanda Todd Leaves Behind Chilling YouTube Video - ABC News​


The guys actions were far removed from her decision.
And not once in "you all's" haste to blood, have any of you tried to say the assaulter and her posse' is responsible. Have you?
It is always the guy who's actions are far removed in time.

Sorry. But claiming anybody is responsible besides Amanda, is a ridiculous claim.
The only one responsible is her. No one else.​
 
Excon said:
Sorry. But claiming anybody is responsible besides Amanda, is a ridiculous claim.
The only one responsible is her. No one else.[/B][/FONT][/INDENT]
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That is completely ridiculous and intellectually dishonest. In fact, yeah, I'm going to have to call that a downright lie.
 
BayToBay said:
He is not going to be tried for murder. Settle down.
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What a strange comment.
Settle down?

Maybe you are reading way too much into what is being said.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't agree that this girl was a nasty rotten girl or a skank. She was a confused teenager.

Anyhow, I would think people like you would like skanks, how else would a lunatic get laid?
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Wake up...

You have sex with multiple men before you're 15, you are a slut/skank.....you might even get a nice festering venereal disease as a consolation prize :)
 
Re: The bullies win again

Medusa said:
he is seeing you from heaven
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And?
You don't think he was concerned for the health of his apostles to tell them to wash their hands?
 
ric27 said:
Wake up...

You have sex with multiple men before you're 15, you are a slut/skank.....you might even get a nice festering venereal disease as a consolation prize :)
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do you think every woman has sex with multiple men before 15?* even if so ,does this girl have to die ??
 
Wake said:
That is completely ridiculous and intellectually dishonest. In fact, yeah, I'm going to have to call that a downright lie.
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Call it a lie and you will then be lying, because it is not a lie, but factual truth.
She is responsible for taking her life. No one else.

So go ahead and call it that if you want to be a liar.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Thread is Closed, temporarily, to give tempers a chance to cool....
 
Moderator's Warning:
Thread is reopened, but BEHAVE. I had to spend an hour cleaning all the blood and gore off the Hammer already.... so the thread is under zero-tolerance for anything remotely personal or baiting!
 
My contention is that that Kody Maxson schmuck is directly tied to her eventual suicide. If not for his deliberate actions, she wouldn't have been driven to suicide. Anyone who ignores his part in this in any degree is intellectually dishonest, imo.
 
Medusa said:
i am just repeating what you all post and like.thats all
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And yet I have not posted anything about calling her a slut..... nor, that I recall, criticizing her actions in any way EXCEPT her decision to kill herself.

Yet people continue to label me with the others.

Its a pathetic example of US V THEM

And the ole....
IF YOUR NOT WITH US... YER AGAINST US!.

ALL I am saying, is that the responsibility for killing herself is on her hands. SHE made that decision. At 15, you damned sure ARE responsible for your own decisions.
 
Medusa said:
do you think every woman has sex with multiple men before 15?* even if so ,does this girl have to die ??
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*sigh* good ****ing grief..


SHE CHOSE to die.

It was HER decision.

NOBODY else is responsible for that decision.
 
Caine said:
*sigh* good ****ing grief..


SHE CHOSE to die.

It was HER decision.

NOBODY else is responsible for that decision.
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Why do you think she made that decision? People dont make decisions in a vacuum.
 
Has anyone heard of Maslows Theory? This girl is a.p"ime.example.oftthe straw that broke thr camels back. She had her saftey compromised by this pervy stalker, she had her social life destroyed ny the same, an her psychological standing (reputation, self esteem, etc) were shot by her crumbling social life. whether this guy was 5-10 years removed from her suicide, he set into motion the colapse of her Maslow Pyramid. She.no longer felt safe.amd was.thus.reduced.to animalistic pursuits ( air, water, food, and sex). Who knows what the final straw was in this compilation, but she was ticking timebomb.
 
Omgitsme said:
Why do you think she made that decision? People dont make decisions in a vacuum.
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There are a great number of reasons why she could have made that decision, all of this we KNOW factors in, and some stuff we DONT know.

However, it was HER decision. Nobody is to blame but HERSELF.

Only ONE person is ever to blame for suicide. That is the person who killed themselves.
 
Caine said:
There are a great number of reasons why she could have made that decision, all of this we KNOW factors in, and some stuff we DONT know.

However, it was HER decision. Nobody is to blame but HERSELF.

Only ONE person is ever to blame for suicide. That is the person who killed themselves.
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You cant blame the victim. Yes she made the decision but to just ignore the part others played in her making that decision is just wrong. Without them she wouldnt have killed herself.
 
Wake said:
My contention is that that Kody Maxson schmuck is directly tied to her eventual suicide. If not for his deliberate actions, she wouldn't have been driven to suicide. Anyone who ignores his part in this in any degree is intellectually dishonest, imo.
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You can say that about lots of things. Whoever this guy swerved to avoid was 'responsible'. Maybe the guy who opened his door was running late because his kid was sick, so in his rush to get to work on time, he opened the door without looking. Maybe that dude's kid is directly tied to the guy on the bike's death.

I was about to take my dog out, but I saw your post and wanted to respond. Maybe when I take him out after this, they'll be a cracked out, desperate guy walking by who stabs me for my wallet. Are you going to be directly tied to my death, because if not for your post I would've missed him?

Or are people just responsible for their own actions, even as we know that everyone is connected and that no man is an island?
 
Omgitsme said:
You cant blame the victim. Yes she made the decision but to just ignore the part others played in her making that decision is just wrong. Without them she wouldnt have killed herself.
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You dont know that for certain.

Are you also going to tell me the guy whose brains I had to look at after he shot them all over the wall because his wife left him is not to blame? How DARE leave him and drive him to shoot himself! OFF WITH HER HEAD!
 
This doesn't correlate. Those are all random acts of.coincidence. This man deliberately tracked this girl down to torment her so he could blackmail her into seeing her naked and then probably more. He made day to day life at school a.constant reminder of a mistake made a year or.two ago. This guy didn't check his email a moment too long or open the car door at thw wrong time. He stalked, blackmailed, and publicly.humiliated this little girl.
 
Caine said:
You dont know that for certain.

Are you also going to tell me the guy whose brains I had to look at after he shot them all over the wall because his wife left him is not to blame? How DARE leave him and drive him to shoot himself! OFF WITH HER HEAD!
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Its a pretty safe bet that if all that didnt happen to her she wouldnt have felt the need to kill herself. Are you really going to try and argue that?

That is a different scenario with different factors involved. There doesnt always have to be someone to blame.
 
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