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The bullies win again[W710; 739]

Okay, thanks buddy. Now to the task at hand:

Why did you not respond to my post, Fluffyninja?

Are you more interested in scoring a point than you are in actually discussing subjects?

This girl was stalked and harassed. That's not her fault. She killed herself. That's her fault.

What does any of that have to do with something so vague and amorphous as 'bullying'? Why aren't you ridiculing the idea of 'bullicide'?
 
Caine said:
You have failed to quote me where I have said anything about what I would do as a parent.....


You can still be responsible for your own actions as a 15 year old and still have your parents responsible for your care and well being as well.

The two ideas are not mutually exclusive. This attitude that you seem to be exibiting, that teens are not responsible for their own actions because they are "children" is damaging to society. I'd suggest you reconsider.
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You can't have it both ways......either a 15 year-old is "old enough to be responsible" for her own actions (which is what you claimed) OR others (primarily the parents) must take some responsibility for a 15 year-old CHILD'S behavior. Which is it?

Can you be empathetic for a moment? If this HAD been your daughter, you would not feel the least bit responsible for her lack of socialization and consistent inability to make good choices?.........I certainly would......but then.......I'm a parent who takes a great deal of responsibility for how my own kids behave. :shrug:
 
Okay, but let's try to focus here.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Okay, thanks buddy. Now to the task at hand:

Why did you not respond to my post, Fluffyninja?

Are you more interested in scoring a point than you are in actually discussing subjects?

This girl was stalked and harassed. That's not her fault. She killed herself. That's her fault.

What does any of that have to do with something so vague and amorphous as 'bullying'? Why aren't you ridiculing the idea of 'bullicide'?
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I have responded to all of these assertions previously in this thread. Have you gone back and read any of the other discussion here or are you only interested in seeing what you type "pop up"?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
No, you retard. She was stalked and harassed- legally. As in, by the legal definition, she was stalked and harassed.
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So the following sentence - 'This girl was stalked and harassed- legally- until she decided to commit suicide.'

Means that she was illegally stalked and harassed?

Lol...suuuure it does.


Have a nice day.
 
Fisher said:
Look at the statute again. It does not require there to be a threat. The threat is what steps it up to a felony in FL. Harassment is enough under the FL statute to get the Class 1 misdemeanor conviction. I personally think sending a barrage of emails saying "The world would be better without you" as was reportedly done would be sufficient. While I have not looked at the FL legislative history, my guess would be that the law was created in direct response to that case. Take the misdemeanor part and slap a felony on it too, and you have the tool I think you are looking for. From there it is the job of the parent or the victim to bring in the authorities. If the police do not take it seriously, call the chief, call the prosecutor, call the mayor. Make it a federal statute. Making it a felony really steps up the ability to extradite people.
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That gets some, but not all, these hideous adults. Another common form of bullicide involves befriending a child and getting that child to confide, or to make sexually explicit images of her body, and then taunting her with those disclosures or images.

More or less what happened to the child in the Op.

I'm not saying that one law has to address every form of abuse going; I'm just trying to illustrate why, 6 years after Megan Meier died, we're still waiting on a federal bullicide law.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Okay, thanks buddy. Now to the task at hand:

Why did you not respond to my post, Fluffyninja?

Are you more interested in scoring a point than you are in actually discussing subjects?

This girl was stalked and harassed. That's not her fault. She killed herself. That's her fault.

What does any of that have to do with something so vague and amorphous as 'bullying'? Why aren't you ridiculing the idea of 'bullicide'?
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Prove it.

Show us the link to your factual proof that this girl's state of mind was sufficient for her to be capable of making rational decisions as far as her life was concerned at the time of her death?
 
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PirateMk1 said:
There is no such thing as bullicide, Pinkie. I dont who made that "term" up but fact is the correct term is suicide. And no matter who people want to blame, the bottom line after all the crap is cleared away, this young woman took her own life, by her own hand. She is completely responsible for that act, whether she really understood or not, no matter all of the extenuating circumstance. The blame for her death lies squarely on her shoulders.

Secondly I am not about budge on my position on speach. We already have too many laws as is. The law proposed is ridiculusly bad law. Further there are already laws on the books for fraud and other crimes that would applicable. Part of free speach is having to deal with evil speach with evil intent toward our children. We cannot protect them from everything. There is no way. And a vast majority of children can quite frankly deal with the same sitution better than this young girl did. I wish I didnt have to say that but Ive raised children and have a couple that arent mine running about the house now. They are a hell of alot tougher than everyone gives them credit for.

The fact remains on these crimes listed, action must accompany them before they can be considered crime. For instance consperiacy to murder requires some action on the part of the perpatrator to act on the murder, like researching poisoning methods, to bring said charge, let alone get conviction.

Hundreds of children dieing, from being bullied on the internet??? I want facts, reports, something. There are over 300 million people in the US. And we need to make a law for how many over six years? More die of murder and attempeted murder in six months, there already laws on the books against that.
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I can likely get the facts you ask for -- lemme see what I have, k?

Worse comes to worse, I can cobble together a few reports and give you an idea of the scope of the problem.
 
FluffyNinja said:
You can't have it both ways......either a 15 year-old is "old enough to be responsible" for her own actions (which is what you claimed) OR others (primarily the parents) must take some responsibility for a 15 year-old CHILD'S behavior. Which is it?

Can you be empathetic for a moment? If this HAD been your daughter, you would not feel the least bit responsible for her lack of socialization and consistent inability to make good choices?.........I certainly would......but then.......I'm a parent who takes a great deal of responsibility for how my own kids behave. :shrug:
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I think it can go both ways. I think at 15 it's time for kids to be on their way of learning to be responsible for themselves, but it is up to the parents to take responsibility and give punishment or reward based on the child's decisions and actions.
 
FluffyNinja said:
You can't have it both ways......either a 15 year-old is "old enough to be responsible" for her own actions (which is what you claimed) OR others (primarily the parents) must take some responsibility for a 15 year-old CHILD'S behavior. Which is it?
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Your inability to understand that a parent cannot be responsible for every choice that a 15 year old makes is in the way of you understanding ANYTHING that I have to say on this matter. Couple that with....


Can you be empathetic for a moment? If this HAD been your daughter, you would not feel the least bit responsible for her lack of socialization and consistent inability to make good choices?.........I certainly would......but then.......I'm a parent who takes a great deal of responsibility for how my own kids behave. :shrug:
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Your constant need to try to bring MY parenting into this thread in an attempt to shame me into seeing things your way.

It ain't going to work.

Im a great parent to my kids, and I don't need to agree with you that every choice made by a teenager is their parent's direct responsibility in order to prove that to anyone.

Quite frankly, your behavior is bordering on flame baiting.
 
Pinkie said:
I can likely get the facts you ask for -- lemme see what I have, k?

Worse comes to worse, I can cobble together a few reports and give you an idea of the scope of the problem.
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I did back on page 46 with some pretty good source references.....but I'm not sure it's entirely what you're looking for. :shrug:
 
FluffyNinja said:
I have responded to all of these assertions previously in this thread. Have you gone back and read any of the other discussion here or are you only interested in seeing what you type "pop up"?
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You've responded to bullicide? That's interesting. Are you gonna go on record with that? Bullicide?
 
DA60 said:
So the following sentence - 'This girl was stalked and harassed- legally- until she decided to commit suicide.'

Means that she was illegally stalked and harassed?

Lol...suuuure it does.


Have a nice day.
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You already told me to have a nice day.

In what world, can someone be legally stalked and harassed? Can you even do that in North Korea?
 
DA60 said:
Prove it.
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Prove that...when she killed herself...it was her fault?

Wow.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe if I laugh at your reasoning hard enough, you can kill yourself and someone will think it was my fault.
 
Caine said:
Im a great parent to my kids,
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Interesting.

I wonder how many dozens of parents that i knew for a fact were lousy parents stated they were great parents?

Probably one or two dozen.

Just sayin'...


Have a nice day.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
You already told me to have a nice day.

In what world, can someone be legally stalked and harassed? Can you even do that in North Korea?
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To be honest - based on those posts of yours that i have read so far, I assumed you were emotionally disturbed (to at least some extent) and not capable of understanding that these things are illegal.

No offense.


Have a nice day.
 
Caine said:
Your inability to understand that a parent cannot be responsible for every choice that a 15 year old makes is in the way of you understanding ANYTHING that I have to say on this matter. Couple that with....




Your constant need to try to bring MY parenting into this thread in an attempt to shame me into seeing things your way.

It ain't going to work.

Im a great parent to my kids, and I don't need to agree with you that every choice made by a teenager is their parent's direct responsibility in order to prove that to anyone.

Quite frankly, your behavior is bordering on flame baiting.
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I simply asked you a question based on your claim. I never made any derogatory claims about you or your parenting.

The bottom line is that unless this 15 year-old girl can be COMPLETELY and TOTALLY resposible for ALL of her own actions....then SOMEONE......SOMEWHERE has to accept at least SOME tiniest degree of responsibility for what she became and what she did. To completely place all the blame for this tragedy on the back of a confused and hurting child is just plain WRONG.

Why is this so hard to admit? And you did not answer my question......if this had been your daughter who lacked socialization and consistently made poor choices.....would you feel ANY responsibility at all? I would......I admitted that. She was a KID for God's sake. Aren't we supposed to be protecting the weak? Hasn't humanity at least evolved this much? I give up......"sighs"...
 
DA60 said:
To be honest - based on those posts of yours that i have read so far, I assumed you were emotionally disturbed (to at least some extent) and not capable of understanding that these things are illegal.

No offense.


Have a nice day.
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That's great and that doesn't bother me (I'm not in any danger of committing suicide, don't worry, I wouldn't want you to be accused of being a bully), but how does that answer what I asked?

You seem very unable to answer even simple questions. That said, you're awesome at wishing people to have a great day, and for that I sincerely thank you!
 
FluffyNinja, can you please stop avoiding the question? What does any of this have to do with bullying?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Prove that...when she killed herself...it was her fault?

Wow.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe if I laugh at your reasoning hard enough, you can kill yourself and someone will think it was my fault.
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I guess you are having trouble understanding my question.

I will rephrase it.

You typed 'She killed herself. That's her fault.'

And I am asking you to show us the link to your factual proof that this girl's state of mind was sufficient for her to be capable of making rational decisions as far as her life was concerned at the time of her death?

I mean, is it an insane person's fault if they kill themselves?

Is it a mentally retarded person's fault if they kill themselves?


I am not saying that she was not sane and rational...But I so not know that she was either.

Perhaps the events leading to her death drove her to irrationality.

I do not know.


But you are saying you do know.

So I am asking you to provide a link to your unbiased, factual evidence that proves that she was sane and rational at the time of her death?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
You've responded to bullicide? That's interesting. Are you gonna go on record with that? Bullicide?
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You did not use the term "bullicide" in the particular post that I quoted. You used the term "bullying". Go back and look. You're still having issues with semantics and written expression, but again, I can't take responsibility for this. :shrug:
 
DA60 said:
I guess you are having trouble understanding my question.

I will rephrase it.

You typed 'She killed herself. That's her fault.'

And I am asking you to show us the link to your factual proof that this girl's state of mind was sufficient for her to be capable of making rational decisions as far as her life was concerned at the time of her death?

I mean, is it an insane person's fault if they kill themselves?
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Yes.

Is it a mentally retarded person's fault if they kill themselves?
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Yes.

I am not saying that she was not sane and rational...But I so not know that she was either.
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I don't know or care what she was. She seems perfectly nice to me. What does that change?

Perhaps the events leading to her death drove her to irrationality.

I do not know.
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I dunno either. I know she killed herself, though.

But you are saying you do know.

So I am asking you to provide a link to your unbiased, factual evidence that proves that she was sane and rational at the time of her death?

Unless you think insane and/or irrational people are 100% responsible for their actions.
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I do. Too bad, I guess.

Have a nice day.
 
FluffyNinja said:
You did not use the term "bullicide" in the particular post that I quoted. You used the term "bullying". Go back and look. You're still having issues with semantics and written expression, but again, I can't take responsibility for this. :shrug:
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No, I asked why you weren't ridiculing the idea of bullicide. Go back and look, you're still having issues I guess.

Take some responsibility for them.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
That's great and that doesn't bother me (I'm not in any danger of committing suicide, don't worry, I wouldn't want you to be accused of being a bully), but how does that answer what I asked?

You seem very unable to answer even simple questions. That said, you're awesome at wishing people to have a great day, and for that I sincerely thank you!
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I did not take your question seriously.


On a completely unrelated note...do you take people whom you believe are somewhat emotionally disturbed?

Neither do I.


Have a VERY nice day.
 
Why are people who see no problem and accept no responsibility for our children nagging and harrassing those of us who do?
 
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