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The bullies win again[W710; 739]

Well now you have the reason why I say to many, they care about pro-life but not much after that...
Explains why they hate welfare when they don't know all the reason people are on it and why some people treat the homeless as worthless when they are fellow human beings.

What does that have to do with anything? This thread already has way too much drama and we don't need to add abortion/welfare drama on top of it.
 
The one guy is making fun of a young person who killed herself. He should stop posting it if he has true respect for all life.
 
I can't help but think and wonder how far you guys take the blame game in a suicide......

Patrick is right in that the responsibility for committing suicide rests squarely on the individual who took their own life.

I mean, are you going to blame the ex-boyfriend who broke up with a girl, and the girl got all depressed and killed herself because he wouldn't get back together with her too?


The blame game is foolish.

Well then no one should take any responsibility for the actions of children..........you've got it! Great idea! Because we all know that 12-yr-olds are always perfectly capable of rationalizing any situation and will generally make perfectly good choices which are non-destructive to others or themselves. So, good then, let's just leave children to their own whims and take zero responsibility for how they all turn out. Sounds like a recipe for success..........it's all settled now! Thanks for the positive input. :thumbs:
 
Oh you want compassion, ok, here's compassion:

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My condolence to Shania Gray and her family.

That is something that a guy should be held responsible for.
His actions of raping and killing.
I hope he receives the death penalty.

Not because some girl was unstable and decided to take her own life.
 
Well then no one should take any responsibility for the actions of children..........you've got it! Great idea! Because we all know that 12-yr-olds are always perfectly capable of rationalizing any situation and will generally make perfectly good choices which are non-destructive to others or themselves.
She wasn't 12 when she took her life was she?
 
She was 15. She was 12 when she posted her pic and first became a target of cyber predation.
Apparently she did a lot more than just post a pic.
 
Apparently she did a lot more than just post a pic.

I'm just going on the facts which have been presented in the media. According to every account I've read.....apparently she didn't "do a lot more." :shrug:
 
Well then no one should take any responsibility for the actions of children..........you've got it! Great idea! Because we all know that 12-yr-olds are always perfectly capable of rationalizing any situation and will generally make perfectly good choices which are non-destructive to others or themselves. So, good then, let's just leave children to their own whims and take zero responsibility for how they all turn out. Sounds like a recipe for success..........it's all settled now! Thanks for the positive input. :thumbs:

How far do you go with your definition of "child".

None of the things listed in her video there struck me as "Wow this girl is a child." She seemed mature enough to be able to take responsibility for her own actions.... I mean, she was able to tell us all her medical diagnosis, she was able to articulate her feelings, she made a decision to have sex with a guy based upon her feelings and was mature enough to be capable of realizing that she made a mistake, she was capable of understanding that she put herself in this situation through her own actions. She was mature enough to handle moving several times in order to avoid the conflict.

Seems to me that she knew was cognizant of the full picture.

Enough, if I may say so, to understand the seriousness of the decision to kill herself.


So quit acting like she was ****ing 7 years old and didn't know ****.



Oh yeah, and she was 15... not 12. Old enough to drive in many places.......Old enough to be responsible.
 
Why are you guys persisting to think this is about bullying?

This girl was stalked and harassed- legally- until she decided to commit suicide. It's on the perpetrators for the stalking and harassing (not bullying, which is just dumb to consider a crime), and it's on the girl for killing herself.

Not that hard.
 
I can see where people do not like the actions of the person this thread is about. However, I do not believe that we should be obsessed with complaining about a person's character when the person is dead.
I plead the current Romney pro-life idea as my beliefs on the other issue--but I do believe then if you respect life--you respect all life even though that life may been lived wrong as in the case of this person.
 
How far do you go with your definition of "child".

None of the things listed in her video there struck me as "Wow this girl is a child." She seemed mature enough to be able to take responsibility for her own actions.... I mean, she was able to tell us all her medical diagnosis, she was able to articulate her feelings, she made a decision to have sex with a guy based upon her feelings and was mature enough to be capable of realizing that she made a mistake, she was capable of understanding that she put herself in this situation through her own actions. She was mature enough to handle moving several times in order to avoid the conflict.

Seems to me that she knew was cognizant of the full picture.

Enough, if I may say so, to understand the seriousness of the decision to kill herself.


So quit acting like she was ****ing 7 years old and didn't know ****.



Oh yeah, and she was 15... not 12. Old enough to drive in many places.......Old enough to be responsible.

So you'd treat your 15 year-old daughter like an adult, allow her to be completely responsible for all of her own actions and take zero responsibility for her as a parent? Hmmmm......okay. This speaks volumes regarding why our families have deteriorated to the point at which they have in this country IMHO. :shrug:
 
Why are you guys persisting to think this is about bullying?

This girl was stalked and harassed- legally- until she decided to commit suicide. It's on the perpetrators for the stalking and harassing (not bullying, which is just dumb to consider a crime), and it's on the girl for killing herself.

Not that hard.

So it's "legal" to circulate nude pics of an underage girl all over the interwebz? I take it this is not a prosecutable offense? Before you answer, I do realize that she did made the mistake of posting her own pic......but you DO realize that she posted it on a image blog that was for "minors only" and that her original web stalker created a fraudulent account to gain access to the site because he was "over age"..........this according to media reports that I have read, of course.
 
So it's "legal" to circulate nude pics of an underage girl all over the interwebz?

Uhhh...no?

I take it this is not a prosecutable offense?

Why do you take it that way? You don't think child pornography is against the law?

Before you answer, I do realize that she did made the mistake of posting her own pic......but you DO realize that she posted it on a image blog that was for "minors only" and that her original web stalker created a fraudulent account to gain access to the site because he was "over age"..........this according to media reports that I have read, of course.

So? I don't think you understand what I mean by legally. I mean, by legal definition, she was stalked and harassed.

But that's not bullying, just like murder isn't assault.
 
So it's "legal" to circulate nude pics of an underage girl all over the interwebz? I take it this is not a prosecutable offense? Before you answer, I do realize that she did made the mistake of posting her own pic......but you DO realize that she posted it on a image blog that was for "minors only" and that her original web stalker created a fraudulent account to gain access to the site because he was "over age"..........this according to media reports that I have read, of course.
And do you realize that his harassment was far removed in time from her decision to kill herself.
And that what was bothering her at the time was the following.


"A guy then yelled, 'Just punch her already,' so [the girlfriend] did," Todd wrote. "She threw me to the ground and punched me several times. Kids filmed it. I was all alone and left on the ground."

Todd said she "wanted to die so bad" when her dad found her in a ditch. She drank bleach when she went home and had to be rushed to the hospital to have her stomach pumped, she said.

"After I got home, all I saw was on Facebook--'She deserved it. Did you wash the mud out of your hair? I hope she's dead,'" she wrote.

Bullied Teen Amanda Todd Leaves Behind Chilling YouTube Video - ABC News


The guys actions were far removed from her decision.
And not once in "you all's" haste to blood, have any of you tried to say the assaulter and her posse' is responsible. Have you?
It is always the guy who's actions are far removed in time.

Sorry. But claiming anybody is responsible besides Amanda, is a ridiculous claim.
The only one responsible is her. No one else.
 
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So you'd treat your 15 year-old daughter like an adult, allow her to be completely responsible for all of her own actions and take zero responsibility for her as a parent?

Quote me on where the **** I said that.................

I'll be waiting.....
 
This girl was stalked and harassed- legally- until she decided to commit suicide.

Really, what the guy did was legal?

Perhaps you could share with us your link that reveals 100% of the evidence in this case?

Because unless you have access to ALL the evidence, you cannot possibly know whether his actions were legal or otherwise.
 
Really, what the guy did was legal?

Perhaps you could share with us your link that reveals 100% of the evidence in this case?

Because unless you have access to ALL the evidence, you cannot possibly know whether his actions were legal or otherwise.

You are still focused on the dude who did the nudie pictures thing with her starting when she was 14.


As has already been stated, BY HER AS WELL, she was being harassed on the internet by the friends of the girl who punched her out because she ****ed the girl's boyfriend while the girl was away.

That is..... *ahem*..... legal. Cruel and Mean.... but..... Legal.


Go watch the video and note the **** that happens in chronological order.
 
Really, what the guy did was legal?

Perhaps you could share with us your link that reveals 100% of the evidence in this case?

Because unless you have access to ALL the evidence, you cannot possibly know whether his actions were legal or otherwise.

No, you retard. She was stalked and harassed- legally. As in, by the legal definition, she was stalked and harassed.

Apparently, it's against the rules to called a retarded post retarded, or imply that the person who did so was stricken with said condition. My bad! Didn't know! Now I'll dance around that in the future!
 
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But this is a great litmus: are you now going to challenge me when I profess that what the guy did was illegal?

Or are you going to let that slide, because you're not actually all that concerned with legality- or lack thereof- and are more concerned with pushing your opinion on others? Time will tell.
 
Why did you not respond to my post, Fluffyninja?

Are you more interested in scoring a point than you are in actually discussing subjects?

This girl was stalked and harassed. That's not her fault. She killed herself. That's her fault.

What does any of that have to do with something so vague and amorphous as 'bullying'? Why aren't you ridiculing the idea of 'bullicide'?
 
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You have failed to quote me where I have said anything about what I would do as a parent.....

FluffyNinja said:
So you'd treat your 15 year-old daughter like an adult, allow her to be completely responsible for all of her own actions and take zero responsibility for her as a parent?
You can still be responsible for your own actions as a 15 year old and still have your parents responsible for your care and well being as well.

The two ideas are not mutually exclusive. This attitude that you seem to be exibiting, that teens are not responsible for their own actions because they are "children" is damaging to society. I'd suggest you reconsider.
 
Why did you not respond to my post, Fluffyninja?

Are you more interested in scoring a point than you are in actually discussing subjects?

This girl was stalked and harassed. That's not her fault. She killed herself. That's her fault.

What does any of that have to do with something so vague and amorphous as 'bullying'? Why aren't you ridiculing the idea of 'bullicide'?

You didn't word your last post that I quoted very well........when that happens people are bound to misconstrue your intent. I'm not responsible for any issues you may have with semantics or written expression. :shrug:

And, btw, responding to another poster by calling them a "retard" because they misunderstood your own poor word usage is not cool....nor is it allowed in DP debate.
 
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