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The bullies win again[W710; 739]

Excon said:
How many times do you have to be told?
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As many times as it takes for you to admit that the only reason you won't answer the question is because to do so would put your position in a bad light.

But since you cannot even manage that...let's just move on and get back to the topic?


Have a nice day.
 
ChrisL said:
But she is just a kid!
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Bs!
Other stable kids go through similar circumstances and are not out there taking their life.

She doesn't deserve any special considerations because she did.

And just because she is a kid does not mean she is not responsible for taking her own life.
How can you even think otherwise?
 
X Factor said:
You know what though, even at that age, I still had friends who had the courage to remain my friends. Sounds like she didn't have that.
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Yes, the whole situation is so sad and depressing.
 
Excon said:
Bs!
Other stable kids go through similar circumstances and are not out there taking their life.

She doesn't deserve any special considerations because she did.

And just because she is a kid does not mean she is not responsible for taking her own life.
How can you even think otherwise?
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Because a lot of times kids don't think things through, they just react.
 
Excon said:
Is that what you think?
That's nice!
This is all tertiary and irrelevant as to her responsibility.



"WE" have no such responsibility. Stop trying to place a burden that does not exist.



Good for you!

[sarcasm]Would you like to hold her teachers responsible for not intervening which may have prevented her eventually killing of herself?[/sarcasm]

[COLOR="#4422244"]And as a teacher I think that when ever you see actual bullying and teasing, that you should intervene to stop it.
By bullying the student.
Because that is what it is in essence.
Correct your actions or this will happen to you.​

But it still does not mean that she is the only one responsible for her actions. Because she is.[/COLOR]



She wrote herself off.


Exactly.
Not even by what they did.

She is solely responsible.



And the stable ones are not out there taking there own life. Are they?
Regardless. It does not relieve her of her responsibility in taking her own life.
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if you'd allow your own 12-15 year olds to be completely responsible for their own actions.........then I'd feel sincerely sorry for your children. As ChrisL said......she was just a child. We can't always hold children to the same levels of expected socialization as we do adults. You can't see this?
 
Excon said:
You are assuming that she was made more unstable. lol
Bs! She was unstable period.
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And where is your link to factual proof that she was emotionally unstable before any of the bullying on any level, at any time in her life occurred?

If you have none, then you cannot know she was not rendered emotionally unstable by the abuse she received.

You can guess, hope or believe...but you cannot know.
 
DA60 said:
As many times as it takes for you to admit that the only reason you won't answer the question is because to do so would put your position in a bad light.

But since you cannot even manage that...let's just move on and get back to the topic?

Have a nice day.
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And you are wrong.
I gave you the circumstance under which I would reply.
I do not care if you do not like that.
Your refusal, just goes to show how the hypothetical was absurd to begin with.

So either follow your own advise and move-on, or keep replying, because then I will also do so.

Matters not to me.
 
ChrisL said:
Because a lot of times kids don't think things through, they just react.
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And?
That does not excuse or relieve her of the responsibility in taking her own life.
 
FluffyNinja said:
if you'd allow your own 12-15 year olds to be completely responsible for their own actions.........then I'd feel sincerely sorry for your children. As ChrisL said......she was just a child. We can't always hold children to the same levels of expected socialization as we do adults. You can't see this?
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We are responsible for the action we take no matter our age. It hardly matters what level of socialization we have.
 
Henrin said:
We are responsible for the action we take no matter our age. It hardly matters what level of socialization we have.
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So children are simply responsible for their own socialization.....right? This is ridiculous.
 
Excon said:
And?
That does not excuse or relieve her of the responsibility in taking her own life.
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Who does it benefit by blaming this child for being distraught and for making a mistake that she cannot take back?
 
FluffyNinja said:
if you'd allow your own 12-15 year olds to be completely responsible for their own actions.........then I'd feel sincerely sorry for your children. As ChrisL said......she was just a child. We can't always hold children to the same levels of expected socialization as we do adults. You can't see this?
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What hell are you going on about that actually applies?
What circumstance are we talking about here?
Because most circumstance brought about by the child their self, they are responsible for.
 
DA60 said:
And where is your link to factual proof that she was emotionally unstable before any of the bullying on any level, at any time in her life occurred?

If you have none, then you cannot know she was not rendered emotionally unstable by the abuse she received.

You can guess, hope or believe...but you cannot know.
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Accept the fact that no one forced her to flash her tits on a webcam.
 
ChrisL said:
Who does it benefit by blaming this child for being distraught and for making a mistake that she cannot take back?
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lol
As you already admit, you see it as a mistake. And she is and can be the only person to blame for such.

Me I don't think it was a mistake. I believe she intended to end her life and succeeded.
Failing would have been the mistake.

What benefit? What purpose?
It stops the wrong people from being blamed as apparently is the wont of some here.

Stop blaming the wrong people and this portion of the discussion stops, and you may then be able to move on to ways to prevent the unpreventable.
 
Excon said:
What hell are you going on about that actually applies?
What circumstance are we talking about here?
Because most circumstance brought about by the child their self, they are responsible for.
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Don't you get it that generally kids are not capable of critical-thinking skills and that their brains are still under development. Now if this was a 25, 30, 40 year old person, I might agree and say that perhaps yes, they maybe should think about how this will affect their friends and family and that maybe then it would be a "selfish" decision (although I'm still not sure), but seeing that this is a child who made a mistake and unfortunately cannot take THIS particular mistake back, I would say that you are being VERY unreasonable about it.
 
Henrin said:
Did I say such a thing? No.
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This is your claim by default. You said we are responsible for our own actions "no matter our age". By making this claim, you are directly implying that NO ONE else is responsible for said action.....even if the action was performed by a child. A child's "social" actions are most often a direct result of the level socialization which the child as attained. If NO ONE else should be held responsible for the child's actions, then we must preclude that NO ONE else should be held accountable for their socialization or "up-bringing" either.


I am a father of two children. I take FULL responsibility for their upbringing and for their actions while they are children and under my care and supervision.
 
ChrisL said:
Don't you get it that generally kids are not capable of critical-thinking skills and that their brains are still under development. Now if this was a 25, 30, 40 year old person, I might agree and say that perhaps yes, they maybe should think about how this will affect their friends and family and that maybe then it would be a "selfish" decision (although I'm still not sure), but seeing that this is a child who made a mistake and unfortunately cannot take THIS particular mistake back, I would say that you are being VERY unreasonable about it.
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She is the blame for her own actions. Nothing you said changes that. Nothing at all.
And again, so it is clear.

What benefit? What purpose?
It stops the wrong people from being blamed as apparently is the wont of some here.

Stop blaming the wrong people and this portion of the discussion stops, and you may then be able to move on to ways to prevent the unpreventable.​
 
Excon said:
What hell are you going on about that actually applies?
What circumstance are we talking about here?
Because most circumstance brought about by the child their self, they are responsible for.
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You, evidently, appear to be an individual who has a problem taking responsibility for much of anything. So, if this were your daughter, you'd not feel the tiniest shred of blame as her parent? Based on your views here, you'd likely not be on the top of many peoples' list of "capable baby-sitters." :shrug:
 
DA60 said:
And where is your link to factual proof that she was emotionally unstable before any of the bullying on any level, at any time in her life occurred?

If you have none, then you cannot know she was not rendered emotionally unstable by the abuse she received.

You can guess, hope or believe...but you cannot know.
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I freely admit that I do not have that information. And we may never have it.

But the likelihood that she just became unstable, is minimal to say the least.
And is far more likely (because of the way brain chemistry is) that she was unstable to begin with that I have no problem assuming as much.
She drank bleach.
She cut herself.
The likelihood is that these were not just sudden changes.

Sorry dude. She was unstable to begin with.

But lets say she wasn't. Nothing changes.
She is still responsible for taking her own life. Nothing changes that.
 
Excon said:
She is the blame for her own actions. Nothing you said changes that. Nothing at all.
And again, so it is clear.

What benefit? What purpose?
It stops the wrong people from being blamed as apparently is the wont of some here.

Stop blaming the wrong people and this portion of the discussion stops, and you may then be able to move on to ways to prevent the unpreventable.​
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Well, if you're passing out blame, then the people who tormented her also share it, as does everyone who came into contact with this child, ESPECIALLY if they are leaving rotten comments on her memorial page even AFTER her death. That is COMPLETELY unforgivable as far as I'm concerned. Where is your blame for that? Don't you think that is extremely HURTFUL to the family. And if you're passing out blame, then those bullies DO share a part of the responsibility for this girl's family's grief too. So okay, let's play the blame game!!!
 
FluffyNinja said:
You, evidently, appear to be an individual who has a problem taking responsibility for much of anything. So, if this were your daughter, you'd not feel the tiniest shred of blame as her parent? Based on your views here, you'd likely not be on the top of many peoples' list of "capable baby-sitters." :shrug:
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Oh....the old " So, if this were your daughter" crap

Teach your child morals and values of life and once, the kid gets the understanding of it....you're golden

Whats so freaking hard about that?
 
ric27 said:
Oh....the old " So, if this were your daughter" crap

Teach your child morals and values of life and once, the kid gets the understanding of it....you're golden

Whats so freaking hard about that?
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OMG! I can't even BELIEVE it. Obviously you people don't know ANYTHING about teenagers!
 
Excon said:
And?
That does not excuse or relieve her of the responsibility in taking her own life.
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Seriously, does it give you pleasure to come across so cold? It would be a lot to ask of an adult to bear up under what she went through, much less a 14 year old kid. She did this because she was made to believe she was alone, hated and that she had no hope it would ever change. If I were one of the kids involved in this, I'd see her face in my mind every day of my life.
 
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