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Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney's Tax Plan

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That's okay. Marginally better than Obama is much better than Obama.

What amazes me is how many times I hear conservative commentators talking about excellence being good and the core of what makes America awesome and any mediocrity being what's increasingly wrong with America -- only to hear thinking like this when it comes to the two party system.

Marginally better than something is not much better than something, and proponents of the two-party system (such as yourself) deserve everything get when "the other guy" wins.
 
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ALL of the government services I use I pay for with fees and excise taxes of some sort. I'm a logistics company so I will list some of the the taxes I pay for utilizing the roads. It should be enlightning for you. Isnt that nice of them? I hope you have a better idea what I am talking about, especially when I say with "enthusiasim" I am Taxed Enough Already.

I've been in transportation for 20 yrs. Air Freight most of it. I'm fully aware of the costs. I also know you get more out of your "tax" dollars then you pay in.

Most of the taxes you speak of are not FEDERAL TAXES. If you have a problem with those other taxes, take that up with the politicians who have control over those.

When it comes time to benefit from things that are FEDERALLY financed, stating you paid state and local sales taxes just doesn't cut it.
 
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What amazes me is how many times I hear conservative commentators talking about excellence being good and the core of what makes America awesome and any mediocrity being what's increasingly wrong with America -- only to hear thinking like this when it comes to the two party system.

Marginally better than something is not much better than something, and proponents of the two-party system (such as yourself) deserve everything get when "the other guy" wins.

shrug...

You can have it your way if you like...personally, I'll take marginally better than Obama any day.
 
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shrug...

You can have it your way if you like...personally, I'll take marginally better than Obama any day.

In which case you're not interested in solving the problem, just in slowing the rate of acceleration towards disaster.

Either way, you're voting for the guy that will see to it that we're heading there faster in 4 years than we are today.
 
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In which case you're not interested in solving the problem, just in slowing the rate of acceleration towards disaster.

Either way, you're voting for the guy that will see to it that we're heading there faster in 4 years than we are today.

Oh, I am quite interested in seeing our problems solved...that's why I will do my part to ensure a Republican majority in our government. Furthermore, I am quite convinced that even without a majority, our rate of acceleration toward disaster will be slowed and even reversed under Romney.

The fact is...we WILL achieve disaster much quicker under Obama because he advocates a government solution...and government is the problem.
 
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I've been in transportation for 20 yrs. Air Freight most of it. I'm fully aware of the costs. I also know you get more out of your "tax" dollars then you pay in.

Most of the taxes you speak of are not FEDERAL TAXES. If you have a problem with those other taxes, take that up with the politicians who have control over those.

When it comes time to benefit from things that are FEDERALLY financed, stating you paid state and local sales taxes just doesn't cut it.

Glad we are the same page then you know that the FEDERAL tax that is paid for the highway system I use amounts to a substatial sum which by the way if you take a gander at the federal CAFR report you would see more than covers the federal transportation budget. A substantial amount (approximately 30%) of fees I pay in FEDERAL tax is used in OTHER than highway use. If you are in the industry you would know that. Among the uses being bicycle ways and trees and scenic overlooks NOT on highways and also expended on light rail systems. I dont mind paying for the highway since I use it, I do mind paying for stuff not associated with highways. Those excise taxes and fuel taxes and tire taxes and road taxes and other taxes are supposed to keep the roads and bridges maintained in good order, and make sure the bridges dont fall down like happened in Minnisota. The state taxes are just icing on the cake. I know for a fact that I pay MORE than sufficent amounts of money to maintaine and IMPROVE the roads I use.
 
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Oh, I am quite interested in seeing our problems solved...that's why I will do my part to ensure a Republican majority in our government. Furthermore, I am quite convinced that even without a majority, our rate of acceleration toward disaster will be slowed and even reversed under Romney.

Right.

Because Republican majorities have been super effective for fixing our problems in the past.
 
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Right.

Because Republican majorities have been super effective for fixing our problems in the past.

This is less of a party issue than a candidate issue.

We all know that Obama is an incompetent and that Romney has been a success during his entire career.

The choice should be glaringly obvious.
 
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This is less of a party issue than a candidate issue.

We all know that Obama is an incompetent and that Romney has been a success during his entire career.

The choice should be glaringly obvious.

It absolutely is a party issue. Both sides sell out to monied interests (in some cases, the same ones), both sides say one thing to get elected then do another thing in office then spin everything yet again for the second election, neither side has any interest in seriously debating the issues of the day, both sides prefer increasingly hysterical sound bites, both sides prefer to look like they're solving a problem rather than actually solving it or admitting they can't, both sides do everything they can to rig the electoral process so that we're stuck with a two-party system.
 
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Right.

Because Republican majorities have been super effective for fixing our problems in the past.

You are perfectly welcome to live in the past. I decline.
 
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It absolutely is a party issue.

Then, because the Democrats chose an incompetent to be their leader it seems clear you should vote for the Republican.

Both sides sell out to monied interests (in some cases, the same ones), both sides say one thing to get elected then do another thing in office then spin everything yet again for the second election, neither side has any interest in seriously debating the issues of the day, both sides prefer increasingly hysterical sound bites, both sides prefer to look like they're solving a problem rather than actually solving it or admitting they can't, both sides do everything they can to rig the electoral process so that we're stuck with a two-party system.
Except Mitt Romney has a history of turning someone elses failures into success whereas Barrack Obama has been proven a failure on every level. It's better to give a proven success a try rather than continue with the Celebrity Apprentice.
 
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You are perfectly welcome to live in the past. I decline.

It's not about living in the past, it's about looking at what's happened time after time after time in the past and wanting to go in a different direction.

As someone who is insisting on going the same route, is you who are living int he past.
 
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Then, because the Democrats chose an incompetent to be their leader it seems clear you should vote for the Republican.

No, because it's a party issue with both parties.

Except Mitt Romney has a history of turning someone elses failures into success whereas Barrack Obama has been proven a failure on every level. It's better to give a proven success a try rather than continue with the Celebrity Apprentice.

Who Mitt Romney is is irrelevant. He is another entry on a long list of people who have been willing to say whatever it takes to get donations, 503(c) support and ultimately votes.
 
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No, because it's a party issue with both parties.



Who Mitt Romney is is irrelevant. He is another entry on a long list of people who have been willing to say whatever it takes to get donations, 503(c) support and ultimately votes.

Isn't it better to at least give the country a chance to improve or is it a hopeless case?
 
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Isn't it better to at least give the country a chance to improve or is it a hopeless case?

I would very much like to give the country a chance to improve. I would much rather not consign it to hopeless by continuing to support the 2-party system.
 
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I would very much like to give the country a chance to improve. I would much rather not consign it to hopeless by continuing to support the 2-party system.


What would you want this third party to do?

Would it not be better if there was less federal government and more state rights? That way the special; interests in Washington would have less power and that power would be transferred to the hands of the locals, resulting in greater direct democracy.

We need only to look at Europe to see that multiple political parties do not guarantee success.
 
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What would you want this third party to do?

Would it not be better if there was less federal government and more state rights? That way the special; interests in Washington would have less power and that power would be transferred to the hands of the locals, resulting in greater direct democracy.

Ideally, sure.

We need only to look at Europe to see that multiple political parties do not guarantee success.

No, it also takes informed voters holding elected officials responsible, but we need to at least start with not being locked into picking the lesser of two evils.
 
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Except Mitt Romney has a history of turning someone elses failures into success whereas Barrack Obama has been proven a failure on every level. It's better to give a proven success a try rather than continue with the Celebrity Apprentice.

Very true. Obama has shown an olympic class boarding house reach in claiming the success of others for himself, and a willingness to throw anyone and everyone under the bus in order to avoid blame for his personal failures.
 
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That's pretty much any President these days.
 
Re: Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney's Tax P

Ideally, sure.



No, it also takes informed voters holding elected officials responsible, but we need to at least start with not being locked into picking the lesser of two evils.

That's certainly a worthy goal but right now people have to make a choice which will effect the direction of the nation for many years to come, perhaps permanently. It will take a very long while to get to where you want to go and there doesn't appear to be any sign that Barack Obama wants less government, quite the opposite in fact, whereas Mitt Romney has stated he wants less government through attrition.

It would seem that on every level the choice, for now at least, is quite clear.
 
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That's certainly a worthy goal but right now people have to make a choice which will effect the direction of the nation for many years to come, perhaps permanently. It will take a very long while to get to where you want to go and there doesn't appear to be any sign that Barack Obama wants less government, quite the opposite in fact, whereas Mitt Romney has stated he wants less government through attrition.

It would seem that on every level the choice, for now at least, is quite clear.

Yes, absolutely, and that choice is neither Romney nor Obama. To use your logic, there would never be a right time to try something new, and so nothing would ever change.
 
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Yes, absolutely, and that choice is neither Romney nor Obama. To use your logic, there would never be a right time to try something new, and so nothing would ever change.

I'm all for hearing out new ideas and ways of doing things.

What do you have in mind for a third party philosophy? Anything new? Something that hasn't yet been tried?
 
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Personally, I'd just like to start with eliminating the monopoly the Democrats and Republicans have built for themselves within the election system.
 
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Personally, I'd just like to start with eliminating the monopoly the Democrats and Republicans have built for themselves within the election system.

That.s been tried several times but with limited success.

In order to make any inroads you'll need a legitimate alternative in order to capture people's attention and excite their imagination. What would that be?
 
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That.s been tried several times but with limited success.

In order to make any inroads you'll need a legitimate alternative in order to capture people's attention and excite their imagination. What would that be?

No, actually, the first thing you'd need to do would be to eliminate the veritable fortress of legal roadblocks erected by the two major parties. The second thing you'd need to do would be to eliminate the financial roadblocks erected by the evolution of the electoral process.

These tasks completed, you could then make inroads, because those two issues are the chief reasons why third party efforts meet with limited success. Both parties regard legal challenges (so much for the will of the people, apparently), fine-tuning of election law, influencing of debate organizers and exorbitant spending on advertising to be appropriate measures for suppressing third-party challenges. Apparently, they have no interest in doing battle in the so-called marketplace of ideas, because then they might actually begin to lose some of their vast quantities of influence.

Once the two parties were thus forced to compete rather than strong-arm, third parties would become a legitimate alternative that could capture people's attention and excite their imagination.
 
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