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Gun microstamping could close American factories

I used to change the firing pins on my competition guns constantly.
 
I used to change the firing pins on my competition guns constantly.

It's an idotic law. The legislature lizards know that it's useless as a law enforcement tool. This is nothing more than government infringing on our 2nd Amendment rights.
 
It's an idotic law. The legislature lizards know that it's useless as a law enforcement tool. This is nothing more than government infringing on our 2nd Amendment rights.

what the scumbags want is to pass this crap and then try to ban the possession of any gun that does not have this feature

its the same with "smart guns"

its a tactic to ban the possession of existing guns.
 
For anyone who thinks microstamping is a good idea, here's why it isn't...

There are already around 300 million guns in existence that do not have microstamping technology, so the impact of new weapons with it would be trivial. Also, most guns used in crimes are not used by their original owner... they are stolen or have been resold so many times you could not trace them.

Microstamping does not work if shell casings aren’t automatically ejected from the crime gun. Revolvers, derringers, double-barrel shotguns, pump shotguns and rifles, and semi-automatic firearms that can be equipped with inexpensive brass catchers (common among some shooters) would leave no cartridges at the scene of a shooting.
•Microstamping does not work because firing pins are inexpensive and easy to replace. The firing pin for most weapons are easily replaced by someone with a minimum of ability to read and follow the basic cleaning directions for his firearm. The expense of millions of dollars in retooling is thwarted by the purchase of a $12 part.
•Microstamping does not work because the stamping is easily defaced. It would take a matter of a half-dozen passes of a standard diamond file, and less than a minute, to eradicate the microstamping.
 
-Microstamping does not work if shell casings aren’t automatically ejected from the crime gun. Revolvers, derringers, double-barrel shotguns, pump shotguns and rifles, and semi-automatic firearms that can be equipped with inexpensive brass catchers (common among some shooters) would leave no cartridges at the scene of a shooting.
-Microstamping does not work because firing pins are inexpensive and easy to replace. The firing pin for most weapons are easily replaced by someone with a minimum of ability to read and follow the basic cleaning directions for his firearm. The expense of millions of dollars in retooling is thwarted by the purchase of a $12 part.
-Microstamping does not work because the stamping is easily defaced. It would take a matter of a half-dozen passes of a standard diamond file, and less than a minute, to eradicate the microstamping.
-Microstamping is incredibly fragile. The stamping would wear out over time through simple use of the firearm, or be thwarted by the normal powder residue that builds up on small parts.
-Microstamping could easily be spoofed and waste police time — or worse, send the wrong people to jail. Most shooters do not reload their own ammunition, and leave their shell casings at the range. All it would take to turn microstamping to a criminal’s advantage would be for a criminal or one of his associates to pick up brass from a firing range in the same caliber as the weapon he carries. After he uses a microstamping-free weapon in a crime, he would merely drop the brass he recovered from Joe Citizen at the range at the crime scene. Joe will wake up with a SWAT team crashing through his door at 5:00 a.m., and if he’s lucky, innocent Joe won’t be gunned down along with his family pets.

Oh look, another attempt 2nd Amendment infringing, business hurting, completely ineffective attempt at "Reasonable" :)roll) gun control created by morons who don't understand the basics of gun mechanics.

Just take a casing from the range, reload it, use it in a crime and the will have a law abiding citizen in jail in moments, guns confiscated permanently.
 
maybe we should macro stamp MORON on the heads of the idiots who want such laws
 
Oh look, another attempt 2nd Amendment infringing, business hurting, completely ineffective attempt at "Reasonable" :)roll) gun control created by morons who don't understand the basics of gun mechanics.

Just take a casing from the range, reload it, use it in a crime and the will have a law abiding citizen in jail in moments, guns confiscated permanently.

Take a handfull of casings from the range, mount a brass catcher on your weapon, throw the other guy's casing n the ground and let someone else do the time for you crime.
 
One case you can make for this is that only intelligent and responsible gun owners would know that all they need to do is switch firing pin, do think your average gang member who is just given a gun would, probably not.
 
One case you can make for this is that only intelligent and responsible gun owners would know that all they need to do is switch firing pin, do think your average gang member who is just given a gun would, probably not.

YOu just explained why it is stupid. gang member who was JUST GIVEN A GUN

its all about hassling gun owners and makers
 
what the scumbags want is to pass this crap and then try to ban the possession of any gun that does not have this feature

its the same with "smart guns"

its a tactic to ban the possession of existing guns.

yes - it's the marijuana stamp loophole.
 
No concerns here.
It is New York.
It has been tried before.
It will not be an issue.
 
One case you can make for this is that only intelligent and responsible gun owners would know that all they need to do is switch firing pin, do think your average gang member who is just given a gun would, probably not.


The average gang member might not be overly educated or all that bright, but gangs include individuals with brains and know-how who would quickly figure out how to file off the microstamping, and spread that knowlege.

If they were total incompetents they wouldn't be so dangerous.
 
The average gang member might not be overly educated or all that bright, but gangs include individuals with brains and know-how who would quickly figure out how to file off the microstamping, and spread that knowlege.

If they were total incompetents they wouldn't be so dangerous.

I have met cocaine distributors who could teach the professors at Harvard Business School something about marketing and supply and demand
 
Exactly.

A "news source" called "Hot Air" constructs an alarmist article because a "lawmaker" has "proposed" an idiotic law. This the becomes a thread called "microstamping could close AMERICAN factories". ooh, scary.

Unless you live in this little town in upstate New York, no jobs are threatened. I wouldn't mind if the factory moved to, say, Nevada.

Much ado about nothing......





No concerns here.
It is New York.
It has been tried before.
It will not be an issue.
 
Exactly.

A "news source" called "Hot Air" constructs an alarmist article because a "lawmaker" has "proposed" an idiotic law. This the becomes a thread called "microstamping could close AMERICAN factories". ooh, scary.

Unless you live in this little town in upstate New York, no jobs are threatened. I wouldn't mind if the factory moved to, say, Nevada.

Much ado about nothing......

Yeah, **** those people in New York.
 
Yeah, **** those people in New York.

one of the tactics of the ARC is for supporters to pretend that some proposals are

1) not realistic and will never be enacted into law

2) or pretend that the proposals are "reasonable" restrictions

One of the main reasons why Gun haters propose extremist idiotic restrictions is to make almost as extreme and usually as idiotic OTHER proposals to appear to be reasonable
 
I used to change the firing pins on my competition guns constantly.

Hey! I'm getting better! That was the first thing I thought of.

What a stupid regulation. Case and point. Made. Stupid regulations cost jobs.
 
one of the tactics of the ARC is for supporters to pretend that some proposals are

1) not realistic and will never be enacted into law

2) or pretend that the proposals are "reasonable" restrictions

One of the main reasons why Gun haters propose extremist idiotic restrictions is to make almost as extreme and usually as idiotic OTHER proposals to appear to be reasonable

KInda like the reaction of the German people to Hitler's laws.
 
Hey! I'm getting better! That was the first thing I thought of.

What a stupid regulation. Case and point. Made. Stupid regulations cost jobs.

the people pushing this aren't stupid. They will then demand for the law to be effective you cannot replace the firing pin. Its like the moronic assault weapon ban. after that idiotic law was passed, gun makers deleted stuff like FLASH HIDERS, BAYONET LUGS etc on their rifles so the weapons could be sold legally. The gun haters who passed the law then complained that the makers were VIOLATING THE SPIRIT OF THAT IDIOT LAW-when told that the makers were complying with the law Diane FeinSWINE whined that the purpose was to stop the sales but she didn't have enough votes to ban semi autos but that was the spirit of the law
 
For anyone who thinks microstamping is a good idea, here's why it isn't...

There are already around 300 million guns in existence that do not have microstamping technology, so the impact of new weapons with it would be trivial. Also, most guns used in crimes are not used by their original owner... they are stolen or have been resold so many times you could not trace them.

That and some firing pins are easy as hell to fabricate.
 
That and some firing pins are easy as hell to fabricate.

I don't know a single High Power Rifle competitor or IPSC pistol shooter who doesn't have a spare firing pin in their kit. Now when I was a world class shotgun competitor I didn't carry spare pins. I had a spare shotgun and at the world championships or the US National championships there was always an armorer or gunsmith who was at the venue who could fix the firing pins on my K-80s if they broke (100,000 shells never broke one though)
 
Gun laws really should not be introduced by people who have barely any knowledge of actual guns.
 
One case you can make for this is that only intelligent and responsible gun owners would know that all they need to do is switch firing pin,do think your average gang member who is just given a gun would, probably not.

What good would microstamping do regarding a criminal who was given a gun? Do you think despite the drug dealing, drive bys, and other criminal activity that gang member is going to register his firearm?
 
Gun laws really should not be introduced by people who have barely any knowledge of actual guns.

I have a feeling that the people trying to write these idiotic laws do have actual knowledge of guns. The point of this law is to make it more costly to purchase and or produce firearms, it is has nothing to do with stopping crime.
 
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