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Assange Speaks to UN

LiberalAvenger said:
Pentagon papers all over again. Your country right or wrong.
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which is still better than your approach, which essentially is 'My country never'. Unless, of course, they abandon capitalism and convert to a socialist utopia, and never again venture beyond the borders of the United States.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Whose national security? He's not an American. If you were to compromise the national security of Mozambique by exposing war crimes, would you consider yourself a terrorist?
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Mozambique would.
 
ecofarm said:
He didn't "expose war crimes", he released thousands of classified documents from ambassadors concerning their speculations about their respective assignments.
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In the bizarre world of the Far Left, this constitutes terrorism.
 
Wiggen said:
In the bizarre world of the Far Left, this constitutes terrorism.
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Yes, having an ambassador that can send his speculations to higher-ups via classified channels is terrorism. Hah.

CTers, what can one do?
 
ecofarm said:
It has nothing to do with what country and everything to do with ambassador communications with higher-ups being classified. That is legitimate security, and Assange violated it just like he allegedly violated women. He has no sense of deceny, and no problem throwing the US under the bus for the fame and glory spewed upon him by conspiracy theory people.
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See, you are right in lock step with conservative ideology.

Your post gave you away.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
See, you are right in lock step with conservative ideology.

Your post gave you away.
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I'm pro gay rights, even when I live in the developing world.
I'm pro legalization.
I'm green.
I'm pro gay adoption.
I'm anti death penalty.
I'm pro felon voting rights, and do not believe they should be removed when incarcerated.
I'm a feminist.
I'm pro animal rights.
I'm pro organic agriculture.


Your claim is full of crap.
 
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ecofarm said:
He didn't "expose war crimes", he released thousands of classified documents from ambassadors concerning their speculations about their respective assignments.
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I wish you would save the semanticsw for a grammar thread, imho.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm pro gay rights, even when I live in the developing world.
I'm pro legalization.
I'm green.
I'm pro gay adoption.
I'm anti death penalty.
I'm pro felon voting rights, and do not believe they should be removed when incarcerated.


Your "point" is full of crap.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I did not jnow you were a liberal.
 
Wiggen said:
So you've now downsized from 1.4 million to 140,000. I guess that's progress.
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interesting - were in my posts is the figure 140,000 referred to?

You should try reading a post and actually understanding it first before you offer a critique of it

Perhaps you would like to educate the participants in this thread with an estimate of the number of Iraqi civilians slaughtered by the US military?

Or are those deaths meaningless in the Imperial schemes of the US to theive oil and resources whilst setting up military bases all over the planet as a self appointed fascist corporate tyranny that exports totalitarianism and oppression?
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I wish you would save the semanticsw for a grammar thread, imho.
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The only semantics are "war crimes", from the CTers.

My claims are simple and factual.
 
ecofarm said:
He didn't "expose war crimes", he released thousands of classified documents from ambassadors concerning their speculations about their respective assignments.
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Sure he did. Among the many documents released about the iraq and afghanistan wars were many tabu actions that our government had rather kept secret. Boo hoo. +1 for at least a little bit of justice.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Sure he did. Among the many documents released about the iraq and afghanistan wars were many tabu actions that our government had rather kept secret. Boo hoo. +1 for at least a little bit of justice.
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Oooooh, "Tabooo!!!!"

There were no war crimes exposed. Stop the CT.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm pro gay rights, even when I live in the developing world.
I'm pro legalization.
I'm green.
I'm pro gay adoption.
I'm anti death penalty.
I'm pro felon voting rights, and do not believe they should be removed when incarcerated.
I'm a feminist.
I'm pro animal rights.
I'm pro organic agriculture.


Your claim is full of crap.
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Now you have really made me butt hurt. Not full of crap! I'll come back to the discussion after you are in a better mood.:(
 
Klown said:
interesting - were in my posts is the figure 140,000 referred to?

You should try reading a post and actually understanding it first before you offer a critique of it

Perhaps you would like to educate the participants in this thread with an estimate of the number of Iraqi civilians slaughtered by the US military?

Or are those deaths meaningless in the Imperial schemes of the US to theive oil and resources whilst setting up military bases all over the planet as a self appointed fascist corporate tyranny that exports totalitarianism and oppression?
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I think I'll just let this post stand by itself. It needs no critical analysis from me or anybody else.
 
Wiggen said:
I wasn't aware that the prosecution of crimes was left up to victims. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Some crimes are left up to the "victims" (and should be). For example if someone punches me in the face I can choose to not press assault charges.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Some crimes are left up to the "victims" (and should be). For example if someone punches me in the face I can choose to not press assault charges.
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Yeah, I'm guessing rape isn't in that category, however. But I do appreciate your continued defense of the Australian rapist. Now if you could just get those pesky Swedes - even though they apparently are nothing more than lackeys of the Great Satan - to agree, your boy's problems would be over. Of course, since he doesn't have the balls to go back and face the music, we are left to wonder why, aren't we?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
They're doing it for practical reasons relating to their self-interest. Just like governments do.
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Well if Assaunge is in jail he can't exactly continue to expose the lies of governments so while it may be in his interest to avoid going to jail it should also be in every single persons interest to keep him out also. If of course you actually want a government that is held accountable for its misdeeds.
 
Wiggen said:
Yeah, I'm guessing rape isn't in that category, however. But I do appreciate your continued defense of the Australian rapist. Now if you could just get those pesky Swedes - even though they apparently are nothing more than lackeys of the Great Satan - to agree, your boy's problems would be over. Of course, since he doesn't have the balls to go back and face the music, we are left to wonder why, aren't we?
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What Assaunge did wasn't rape. As was said earlier if you do what he did here in the US this would be a non-issue and nothing would have come of it. (BTW for actual rape here in the US the victim can refuse to prosecute...all they have to do is refuse to testify and without their testimony the person walks)

As for your reference to "The Great Satan"...last I knew that is what Islamic extremists called the US...what do they have to do with this discussion?

And no, its not that big of a mystery as to why he hasn't gone back. Sweden has an extradition treaty with the US in which they pretty much ALWAYS extradite to the US. You should note that originally the Prosecutor there in Sweden wasn't going to charge Assaunge. It wasn't until after Assaunge had leaked those files that the prosecutor "decided" to charge Assaunge. IIRC the "rapes" as you call them actually happened a year or so before these leaks.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Well if Assaunge is in jail he can't exactly continue to expose the lies of governments so while it may be in his interest to avoid going to jail it should also be in every single persons interest to keep him out also. If of course you actually want a government that is held accountable for its misdeeds.
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If you think he exposed any misdeeds, that is.
 
Surtr said:
Espionage is not limited to foreign governments. Bradley Manning illegally obtained information, he gave that information to a source, who disseminated the information publicly, which was of benefit to a hostile enemy force during a time of war.
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The New York Times has disseminated classified information before...should they be held for espionage also? Why/why not? (Note that I am NOT defending Manning, I believe that he is where he is suppose to be..and should be there for a long time. My question is mainly regarding the journalism aspect)


Surtr said:
No, they benefited themselves, and by disseminating this information, they benefited our enemy during a time of war.
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How did Assaunge benefit himself?

Surtr said:
That information contained a great deal of information about current and planned operations. That is a huge benefit to the Mujahadeen and the Taliban.
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From what I have read and heard and understand the information regarded what happened in the past.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What Assaunge did wasn't rape.
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Not according to the law.

As was said earlier if you do what he did here in the US this would be a non-issue and nothing would have come of it. (BTW for actual rape here in the US the victim can refuse to prosecute...all they have to do is refuse to testify and without their testimony the person walks)
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False. If statutory rape was claimed and evidence gathered, the perp can still be prosecuted successfully.

As for your reference to "The Great Satan"...last I knew that is what Islamic extremists called the US...what do they have to do with this discussion?
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You don't think that maybe, aside from the CTers, Islamists are jumping for joy at Ass's actions?

IIRC the "rapes" as you call them actually happened a year or so before these leaks.
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Always fun when rape gets scare quotes.
 
ecofarm said:
Not according to the law.
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I don't care what country you're in. Rape cannot happen if the people involved consent to it.

ecofarm said:
False. If statutory rape was claimed and evidence gathered, the perp can still be prosecuted successfully.
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Statutory rape involves minors. We're talking about adults here.

ecofarm said:
You don't think that maybe, aside from the CTers, Islamists are jumping for joy at Ass's actions?
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CTers? Who are they? And who's "Ass's"? The womens? Assuange's? Or do you mean "Assuange" with that? If you meant Assaunge...I don't care if they are or not.

ecofarm said:
Always fun when rape gets scare quotes.
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Wasn't "scare" quotes. I put quotes around it because what he did was not rape like he keeps claiming. Even Stockholm's Chief Prosecutor Eva Finne said that it wasn't rape.
 
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