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Assange Speaks to UN

TheDemSocialist said:
Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Assange Speaks to UN - YouTube

Assange speaks to UN panel and calls on US, UK and Sweden and speaks to respect free speech, and protect whistle blowers, and to free Bradly Manning. Ecuador and others try to convince the US, UK, and Sweden to allow safe passage and go back to Sweden to try to clear up these "sexual acts" allegations.
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Life must be pretty boring in the embassy. I hope he rots there.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
No, only a humble opinion.
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Well, see, not everyone is going to pay much attention to what is or isn't good for journalism. On a federal level, I'm very much against journalism. Preferential, of course. I'd be fine with the people not knowing **** about war and international relations. I mean, they don't know **** about it anyway, so why give them any information? They're just going to misinterpret it and leave us at the mercy of populism.
 
Wiggen said:
Except those of you on the far left, who see through this mass deception, right?
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Of course you realize that the Corporate Media is for sale to the highest bidder in a Capitalist/Corporate society. Print and digital media space is a commercial enterprise and you buy that space. The bigger and better the space, the more you pay. You could do your homework on the "Mighty Wurlitzer" and initiate some curiousity in the ol' cerebellum regarding some of that space being bought by Intelligence services, gov't, gov't agencies, contractors, etc., to massage those cranial interpretations as opposed to objectivity.
 
Do you have any examples of intelligence services buying media space, Dave, or is this just one of those "You can't prove they haven't!" things?
 
Wiggen said:
Is corporate media the new buzzword of the far left, guaranteed to be trotted out periodically when the facts don't support whatever anti-american rants are taking place?
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Naw, it's been around for a while.
 
Wiggen said:
Except those of you on the far left, who see through this mass deception, right?
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When I used to protest the american/vietnam war there were people just like you around, so I'm used to people from the radical right wing reactionary oppossition saying what you just said.

But, yes I do see through the deception.
 
samsmart said:
Except that the federal government basically labelled all information they have on any foreign dignitaries as "Top Secret" no matter how trivial, so only an extremely small number of cables were actually hurtful.

Assange does not deserve to be demonized for what he's been doing.
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There was no TS information released from what I remembered. It was merely information classified under the secret and private State Department and JWICS channels. He dumped everything he could find.
 
Sherman123 said:
There was no TS information released from what I remembered. It was merely information classified under the secret and private State Department and JWICS channels. He dumped everything he could find.
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Very well. But my point is I don't think it's fair to demonize him for dumping all the classified material when the State Department basically classified everything they did.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Do you have any examples of intelligence services buying media space, Dave, or is this just one of those "You can't prove they haven't!" things?
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NYTimes-Judith Miller-Saddam has mobile WMD units. That's a flagrant example. They are not hard to find. You just have to remember what you are looking for. How aboiut all those Libya atrocities committed by Qaddaffi, allegedly. Check the sources.
 
samsmart said:
Very well. But my point is I don't think it's fair to demonize him for dumping all the classified material when the State Department basically classified everything they did.
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It was internal communications between ambassadors, consular staff, and other agents of the State Department and joint operations groups. Why wouldn't it be classified? It covered everything from secret US contacts with Morgan Tsvangerai in Zimbabwe, US business intelligence reports on activities in West Africa, to the US ambassadors opinions of politicians in the UK, and much more. It was not whistle blowing. If all Manning had done was release the video of the air strike in Baghdad then he probably would not be in the situation he is in, nor would Assange have the same level of criticism.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Do you have any examples of intelligence services buying media space, Dave, or is this just one of those "You can't prove they haven't!" things?
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I should have included this link in the previous reply. Congress investigated ther CIA and the media in the late 70s and seemed to find about 400 CIA assets, agents, operatives operating as reporters, editors, etc. And much more. Do you think the CIA has changed or shrunk? Do you think the strategy has changed?


Journalism and the CIA: The Mighty Wurlitzer
 
DaveFagan said:
NYTimes-Judith Miller-Saddam has mobile WMD units. That's a flagrant example. They are not hard to find. You just have to remember what you are looking for. How aboiut all those Libya atrocities committed by Qaddaffi, allegedly. Check the sources.
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So what you're saying is that you think intelligence services bought that media space, but you have no evidence whatsoever.

That's interesting.
 
DaveFagan said:
I should have included this link in the previous reply. Congress investigated ther CIA and the media in the late 70s and seemed to find about 400 CIA assets, agents, operatives operating as reporters, editors, etc. And much more. Do you think the CIA has changed or shrunk? Do you think the strategy has changed?


Journalism and the CIA: The Mighty Wurlitzer
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So you're saying you don't know about the Church Committee?

Look, to you intelligence services are something you see in movies and hear about in the news. To me, they're actual organizations with actual people that I have a vast amount of experience with. The things you're saying are fairly absurd.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
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So you're saying you don't know about the Church Committee?

Look, to you intelligence services are something you see in movies and hear about in the news. To me, they're actual organizations with actual people that I have a vast amount of experience with. The things you're saying are fairly absurd.
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Wow!

 
DaveFagan said:
Of course you realize that the Corporate Media is for sale to the highest bidder in a Capitalist/Corporate society. Print and digital media space is a commercial enterprise and you buy that space. The bigger and better the space, the more you pay. You could do your homework on the "Mighty Wurlitzer" and initiate some curiousity in the ol' cerebellum regarding some of that space being bought by Intelligence services, gov't, gov't agencies, contractors, etc., to massage those cranial interpretations as opposed to objectivity.
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You know, there's an entire thread for this. It's called the Conspiracy Theory thread. You can be there with the 9/11 doubters and the moon landing nutjobs and the UFO folks.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
When I used to protest the american/vietnam war there were people just like you around, so I'm used to people from the radical right wing reactionary oppossition saying what you just said.

But, yes I do see through the deception.
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Yet still you remain in this terrible country, taking advantage of everything it has to offer!:lamo And yeah, I somehow surmised that if you were old enough, you'd have been one of the cretins burning U.S. flags and flying those of North Vietnam.

I'll make the same suggestion to you I made to your Socialist friend. Visit the Conspiracy Theory forum - you'll find lots of like minds there.
 
Sherman123 said:
It was internal communications between ambassadors, consular staff, and other agents of the State Department and joint operations groups. Why wouldn't it be classified? It covered everything from secret US contacts with Morgan Tsvangerai in Zimbabwe, US business intelligence reports on activities in West Africa, to the US ambassadors opinions of politicians in the UK, and much more. It was not whistle blowing. If all Manning had done was release the video of the air strike in Baghdad then he probably would not be in the situation he is in, nor would Assange have the same level of criticism.
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Don't you know? Julian Assange will decide what is in the security interests of the United States and what isn't - ably assisted by his Far Left supporters.
 
Serenity said:
An egocentrist who highlighted the miserable failure of the US system that allowed a junior soldier to extract the largest set of restricted documents (250,000) that have ever leaked to the public. Ooops.

Wikileaks confirmed what i already knew. That our purportedly open, freedom-loving democratic governments lie to us on a regular basis.

Viva la truth.
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Manning didn't do that by himself. There's no way that a private first class, with less than 24 months time in service has that kind of access.
 
apdst said:
Manning didn't do that by himself. There's no way that a private first class, with less than 24 months time in service has that kind of access.
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??? I've got several Marines who are E3's who are up on SIPR and JWICS. And Manning had a background as a hacker.
 
cpwill said:
??? I've got several Marines who are E3's who are up on SIPR and JWICS. And Manning had a background as a hacker.
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I bet they are very highly supervised.
 
apdst said:
I bet they are very highly supervised.
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:shrug: not necessarily. Manning apparently was able to bring CD's into the SCIF claiming that they were music and walk right out with them, again and again and again. He had personality issues, so they put him in charge of disposing of classified documents.... meaning that everyone gave him all the classified documents they weren't using for their work anymore. It was a huge CI failure, and sadly I think one we have not fully corrected. When you reduce people in rank, you need to yank their access. With Manning, instead we put him in the perfect position to screw us over.
 
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