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Mom sues police/neighbor after she is arrested for letting her kids play outsi.[w:63]

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It is, but it isn't. We have kids riding these things up and down the street in our neighborhood and they are not smart about it. Nor are they under constant supervision. They could easily get hurt, especially if there is an inattentive driver coming down the street. Plus, I see people allowing their children to play basketball in the street. This mom got a good lesson and ignored it.

Why do people seem to think the street is a safe place to play for kids?
 
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cpwill said:
this is why I don't want to live next to people.
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I'd rather live next to the one who called than the one who let her kids run around in the street. Her kids would probably not like me very much.
 
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Tigger said:
I'd rather live next to the one who called than the one who let her kids run around in the street. Her kids would probably not like me very much.
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:) Tigger I know you think you are pretty much a hard-core throwback to the old school , but understand when I say that if you had my wife arrested because you decided to have a snit about my kids playing outside, the words "getting medieval" would end up taking on a whole new literal meaning for you :).
 
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cpwill said:
:) Tigger I know you think you are pretty much a hard-core throwback to the old school , but understand when I say that if you had my wife arrested because you decided to have a snit about my kids playing outside, the words "getting medieval" would end up taking on a whole new literal meaning for you :).
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I will say this. Calling the police would happen only AFTER junior had been dragged back to your front door on a previous occasion and you wife informed "Please keep your TRASH out of my yard." Considering the fact that there would be both "No Solicitation" and "No Tresspassing" signs on the property, if not a fence also, I'd like to think your children would be taught to respect either or both. As for the fact that these kids were in the street (rather than on the sidewalk where they belonged).... My car would probably not suffer too much damage from accidentally hitting one of them if they darted out in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
 
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Yeah, right :lol: There's NO way she was arrested for that. I'm thinking there's a LOT more to the story that isn't mentioned in that short article.
 
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Arcana XV said:
Yeah, right :lol: There's NO way she was arrested for that. I'm thinking there's a LOT more to the story that isn't mentioned in that short article.
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I agree. Something isnt right with this story. Something is missing.
 
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Tigger said:
I will say this. Calling the police would happen only AFTER junior had been dragged back to your front door on a previous occasion and you wife informed "Please keep your TRASH out of my yard." Considering the fact that there would be both "No Solicitation" and "No Tresspassing" signs on the property, if not a fence also, I'd like to think your children would be taught to respect either or both. As for the fact that these kids were in the street (rather than on the sidewalk where they belonged).... My car would probably not suffer too much damage from accidentally hitting one of them if they darted out in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
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Teh kids were probably in teh street because some retard yelled at them for being in his "yard" while they were on the sidewalk.
 
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Tigger said:
I will say this. Calling the police would happen only AFTER junior had been dragged back to your front door on a previous occasion and you wife informed "Please keep your TRASH out of my yard." Considering the fact that there would be both "No Solicitation" and "No Tresspassing" signs on the property, if not a fence also, I'd like to think your children would be taught to respect either or both. As for the fact that these kids were in the street (rather than on the sidewalk where they belonged).... My car would probably not suffer too much damage from accidentally hitting one of them if they darted out in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
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You would end up dead or in the hospital. I mean this 100% literally. If she had not shot and killed you for seeing you having your hands on her child, I would send you to the hospital with many broken bones, where you would be arrested for assaulting a child - whether you had or not. She would kill you. She is highly trained and conditioned in action and reaction in real life situational practice and is an exorbitantly fast and accurate shot. She is not a people-friendly person in general and since she was very violently assaulted (prior to being a gun owner) she does draw down on a person very fast - and has done so since more than once.

Sometimes your I hate children and I want to physically hurt children messages are annoying and make you SOUND like a crazy dangerous old man. Of course, I don't really know you but by your messages. I do recall your asking about hitting other people's children because you wanted to do so for not likely how they were acting around you.

Most neighborhoods have a mean, crazy old asshole. Sometimes they do hurt or kill someone because they are violently crazy. They are the curse of the neighborhood. Some times it is instead the crazy old man who is killed when he goes nuts. Crazy old men who hate children are the most dangerous of all.

It is ILLEGAL for children to ride a bike on the sidewalk. They are required to be in the street. It is not illegal to be on foot, on a bicycle or on an unmotorized scooter on the street.

This was a quiet deadend of a residential cul-de-sac and the mother outside watching them. That's why people move to them and seeing children on bikes or playing basketball with the hoop set up at someone's yard is common.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Teh kids were probably in teh street because some retard yelled at them for being in his "yard" while they were on the sidewalk.
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They can be on the sidewalk. That's part of the public Right of Way (ROW). That's fine. In this area, the back of the sidewalk is generally the edge of the ROW; which means that once they're off my side of the concrete, they ARE on my property. They also have their own yard to play in.

Of course, my personal preference is for the 8-10' tall wood fence around my entire property, so it's not an issue; but that's not always possible.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Teh kids were probably in teh street because some retard yelled at them for being in his "yard" while they were on the sidewalk.
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Excellent comment.
 
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Tigger said:
They can be on the sidewalk. That's part of the public Right of Way (ROW). That's fine. In this area, the back of the sidewalk is generally the edge of the ROW; which means that once they're off my side of the concrete, they ARE on my property. They also have their own yard to play in.

Of course, my personal preference is for the 8-10' tall wood fence around my entire property, so it's not an issue; but that's not always possible.
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I'm confident that would be your neighbor's preference too.

Without a fence, kids can be on your property all they want to. To secure property it has to be fenced. A fence is presumed to be a keep out notice. Otherwise it takes specific command to secure land. This would not apply to community owned property such as a condo complex.

A no trespassing sign without a fence is not sufficient as there is no indication of where the property line is.
 
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joko104 said:
You would end up dead or in the hospital. I mean this 100% literally. If she had not shot and killed you for seeing you having your hands on her child, I would send you to the hospital with many broken bones, where you would be arrested for assaulting a child - whether you had or not. She would kill you. She is highly trained and conditioned in action and reaction in real life situational practice and is an exorbitantly fast and accurate shot. She is not a people-friendly person in general and since she was very violently assaulted (prior to being a gun owner) she does draw down on a person very fast - and has done so since more than once.
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I would like to think that someone with that level of interest in personal responsibility would have taught their children to stay off of other people's property as well.

joko104 said:
Sometimes your I hate children and I want to physically hurt children messages are annoying and make you SOUND like a crazy dangerous old man. Of course, I don't really know you but by your messages. I do recall your asking about hitting other people's children because you wanted to do so for not likely how they were acting around you.
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I don't hate children and I have no desire to physically injure children. HOWEVER, I have no use for children who cannot or will not stay where they are supposed to be, obey "no tresspassing" signs, and obey ANY adult who tells them to get the hell out of their yard. Unfortunately that makes me a very rare person in this day and age. The discussion about disciplining other people's children was related to relatives of my girlfriend who we were spending large amounts of time around. We are no longer spending any significant amount of time around those children, so it's no longer an issue.

joko104 said:
Most neighborhoods have a mean, crazy old asshole. Sometimes they do hurt or kill someone because they are violently crazy. They are the curse of the neighborhood. Some times it is instead the crazy old man who is killed when he goes nuts. Crazy old men who hate children are the most dangerous of all.
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I am neither crazy nor old (38). I don't hate children.... I hate ANYONE of ANY AGE who cannot or will not obey the rules. It's not the age but the inability to do what they should be doing which creates the hatred.

joko104 said:
It is ILLEGAL for children to ride a bike on the sidewalk. They are required to be in the street. It is not illegal to be on foot, on a bicycle or on an unmotorized scooter on the street.
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When it comes to a bicycle, you are correct; however they are REQUIRED to follow all vehicular laws. At least in this part of the world it IS illegal in most places for people to be on scooters, skateboards, roller skates, or on foot in the middle of the road (except when crossing the street at approved cross-walks).

joko104 said:
This was a quiet deadend of a residential cul-de-sac and the mother outside watching them. That's why people move to them and seeing children on bikes or playing basketball with the hoop set up at someone's yard is common.
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I grew up near one end of a "horseshoe" road in my hometown. Very little traffic, since the only "exit" to the neighborhood came out on the same street they'd entered from. It was all "local" traffic at low speed. If my brothers or I had ever gotten caught playing in the street rather than in our own yard, we would have been in extremely deep trouble.
 
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Tigger said:
They can be on the sidewalk. That's part of the public Right of Way (ROW). That's fine. In this area, the back of the sidewalk is generally the edge of the ROW; which means that once they're off my side of the concrete, they ARE on my property. They also have their own yard to play in.

Of course, my personal preference is for the 8-10' tall wood fence around my entire property, so it's not an issue; but that's not always possible.
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I thought you were moving to Iran?
 
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joko104 said:
I'm confident that would be your neighbor's preference too.
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Probably.

joko104 said:
Without a fence, kids can be on your property all they want to. To secure property it has to be fenced. A fence is presumed to be a keep out notice. Otherwise it takes specific command to secure land. This would not apply to community owned property such as a condo complex.
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Obviously the condo complex is a totally different situation. I do have a small piece of property outside my sliding door that I've been told is mine o do with as I please, but I've just left it alone because I don't go outside very often. Then again most kids probably wouldn't find most of my property very intersting, even without a fence. I have absolutely no use for grass, plants, or trees. Any property I ever own will likely be covered in concrete to ensure there is no need for any yardwork beyond snow-plowing.

joko104 said:
A no trespassing sign without a fence is not sufficient as there is no indication of where the property line is.
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I think that might vary from place to place. Then again the "CAUTION: Minefield" sign might be more useful in that situation anyway ;-)
 
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Tucker Case said:
I thought you were moving to Iran?
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I've been looking at Pakistan, and even that is not going well. They're not very interested in Americans being there at the moment. Especially ones who claim to want to stay permanently.
 
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Tigger said:
They can be on the sidewalk. That's part of the public Right of Way (ROW). That's fine. In this area, the back of the sidewalk is generally the edge of the ROW; which means that once they're off my side of the concrete, they ARE on my property. They also have their own yard to play in.

Of course, my personal preference is for the 8-10' tall wood fence around my entire property, so it's not an issue; but that's not always possible.
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My personal preference is that if you can hit your neighbors house with a .22, they are to damned close.

I don't see what the big deal was. When I was a kid, we played in the street all the time. Unless it is a busy street, that is one thing, but a side street in a neighborhood, no big deal. Why do parents have to have "eyes on" all the time also? Hell, we always knew which moms were home and where to go if we needed help.

I am far more concerned as to whether or not she was making the boys play soccer instead of letting them play football. Making a boy participate in a sissy sport instead of letting him explore his masculine aggressive nature is really child abuse. The boys could be scared for life treating them like that.
 
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Tigger said:
I've been looking at Pakistan, and even that is not going well. They're not very interested in Americans being there at the moment. Especially ones who claim to want to stay permanently.
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Who ever said committing treason was easy?
 
Re: Mom sues police and neighbor after she is arrested for letting her kids play outs

my neighbor kids were always messing around in my yard when they were little. i remember once i found one hiding in the bushes. he looked scared that i caught him.

here's how i handled it : i said, "how's it going?" and walked back inside.

reason : children become teenagers. i'd prefer that my property not be vandalized. the kid in my example is actually a teenager now, and he and his friends get into trouble, but they leave my **** alone.

there's a lot to be said for being an unattractive target.
 
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My response was to your saying you would have "dragged" the child to the house and then calling the child "your trash" to the mother.

IF she saw a 38 year old man "dragging" one of our children - or any child - the first that person who know she saw this would be with a laser sight on his chest and her SCREAMING "LET GO OF THAT CHILD AND MOVE BACK OR I WILL KILL YOU!" She is well rehearsed, literally, in situational training with officers in civilian dress, to do exactly that in a threat situation. She also is trained to have instinct reaction of actually firing by actually doing so using rounds with paintballs. 3 shots - chest-head-chest faster than the person could hit the ground. She is extraordinarily skilled.

The last time I saw someone physically abusing a little child - now 8 years ago - under the store's video camera I broke both windows of a C-store beer cooler with his face and spent nearly 2 weeks in jail while they waited to see if he technically remained alive. He did, they let me go, and told me they wish they could do such as that to child abusers, but as officers they can't. I have a couple very deep "phobias" and one is men who hurt children. The other is men who poise a threat to me.

Child on a person's yard hurts nothing - unless they are damaging the yard - so don't live in a neighborhood with children or DO fence your yard if seeing children outside is intolerable. We often have more children in our yard than we can count, though we live in a remote location with only the river and woodland swamp next door.

There is a fundamental difference between someone who sees children playing outside and smiles thinking "oh how sweet" offering them cookies and someone who frowns and mumbles "damn little brats!" calling the police. My lady is the former. You seem the latter.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Who ever said committing treason was easy?
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Pretty much every place that I've looked at and talked to is current not interested in anyone looking to Immigrate from the United States at this time. So apparently I'm stuck here with you folks at least for a while longer.
 
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Arcana XV said:
Yeah, right :lol: There's NO way she was arrested for that. I'm thinking there's a LOT more to the story that isn't mentioned in that short article.
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The neighbor called the cops alleging she hit one of the children with her car , it turned out to be a false report....

According to this rendition of what occurred apparent an expert from the complaint, "Unknown Officer went across the street to talk with defendant Fuller. It was at this point that Fuller reported, for the first time, that she had struck one of Cooper's children with her vehicle as they played in the street," the complaint states. "Unknown Officer returned to Cooper's home, and after another conversation with Unknown Officer, Cooper was placed under arrest for the felony offenses of child endangerment and child abandonment.

Never at any point were any of Cooper's children hit by a car as they played in the street. Moreover, Cooper was observing her children the entire time they were outside on the date of her arrest and thus could not plausibly have abandoned them. Despite the fact that Fuller alleged she had hit one of the children with her vehicle, no medical response was called for or needed as it was obvious that neither child had been hit by a car or was hurt in any way. Interestingly, Fuller was never confronted about her lie regarding striking the child with the car."

https://www.courthousenews.com/2012/09/07/50051.htm
 
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joko104 said:
My response was to your saying you would have "dragged" the child to the house and then calling the child "your trash" to the mother.
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I have no doubt that you and your wife have those skills. I also know that the two of you are decidedly the exceptions rather than the rule. I find that most parents these days have no idea where their children are and what they're doing, so the first they'd likely know of the situation would be my knock on the door. Even fewer of them have the skills, abilities, tools, or willingness to do the sorts of things you, your wife, and I are able to.

joko104 said:
Child on a person's yard hurts nothing - unless they are damaging the yard - so don't live in a neighborhood with children or DO fence your yard if seeing children outside is intolerable. We often have more children in our yard than we can count, though we live in a remote location with only the river and woodland swamp next door.
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I disagree. Having that child on my property places me at risk of liability if Sweet Lil Suzie falls and breaks her arm or the like. Trust me, the sorts of places I would prefer to live would not have children in the neighborhood, or would allow for me to have the sort of fence I want. Not everyone has those options.

joko104 said:
There is a fundamental difference between someone who sees children playing outside and smiles thinking "oh how sweet" and someone who frowns and mumbles "damn little brats!"
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Yes their is. I would call that difference NAIVETE.
 
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La port is a small town not far from me. Some of the small town police forces are a little
over zealous. It does sound like there is more to the story than is being reported.
I will try to ask around to see if anyone knows the back story.
 
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