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You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

Figures.
How else would they elect some of these dem screwballs?
 
The Gore thing was about counting incomplete/undated absentee ballots from military members, which were discarded per policy originally.

And who do you think Investors Business Daily wants as preaident?

Who do you think Obama's Goldman Sachs is riding with this time round? Then you can look up Gore and the Demos with Florida......even before there was recount. Before they took the vote! Also what does it matter about if such is in response to Church Groups. What would you call Louis Farrahkan and his Temple? Considering they Vote Democratic? What was the name of Reverend Wrights Church that most vote Democratic?

Did you forget about Gary Indiana where there is a Church on every Corner and a Church in the middle of Da Block! Do you think they vote Republican?

Btw thats why I put the other link from Newsmax. ;)
 
You Conservatives love your false equivalencies. Getting into a DNC convention isn't a constiutionally protected civil right.
"You conservatives"? I'm automatically a conservative by being the messenger? Sounds like a typical mindless partisan reaction.
 
"You conservatives"? I'm automatically a conservative by being the messenger? Sounds like a typical mindless partisan reaction.

The messanger of what exactly....that there are hacks out there that can't the difference between the right to vote and getting into a convention?

If you're non-partisan you might want to find better sources for news...just sayin.
 
I just looked in my handy dandy copy of the official US Constitution. It mentions the right to vote five times in five different places. Sadly, it never mentions the right to attend a political convention.

Equating opposition to an effort to diminsh and supress the Constitutional right to vote in pubic elections with an effort to maintain security at a private function is ludicrous and outright ridiculous.

It sure is. Desperation makes for strange bedfellows.
 
I'm responding to those that required a source for illegal voting.

Voter ID laws are good protection against fraud - The Washington Post

Mentioned in this article was this paragraph:

In fact, I presented this information to the Kansas legislature in January, and the numbers were extensively reported by the media. The 221 incidents of voter fraud included absentee ballot fraud, impersonation of another voter and other crimes. The vast majority of the cases were never investigated fully because Kansas county attorneys lack the time and resources to pursue voter fraud at the expense of other criminal investigations. Of the approximately 30 cases that were fully investigated, seven resulted in prosecutions. All seven yielded convictions.

Part of the problem is that voter fraud is not given priority given existing case logs by district attorneys. If cases are not investigated throughly and if are not prosecuted if investigated sure it will seem that there is very little problem with voter fraud.


Observe another paragraph which states:

But we don’t have to rely on such inaccurate estimates; actual numbers are available. According to the 2010 Census, there are 2,126,179 Kansans of voting age. According to the Kansas Division of Motor Vehicles, fully 2,156,446 Kansans age 18 and older have valid driver’s licenses or non-driver IDs. In other words, there are more photo IDs in circulation than there are eligible voters in Kansas. It is simply incorrect to assert that there are tens of thousands of voters in Kansas, or any state, without photo identification.

There seem to be more ID issued in Kansas than voters by a small margin so that seems to disqualify the idea that there is about 10% without any ID at all.
 
I'm responding to those that required a source for illegal voting.

Voter ID laws are good protection against fraud - The Washington Post

Mentioned in this article was this paragraph:



Part of the problem is that voter fraud is not given priority given existing case logs by district attorneys. If cases are not investigated throughly and if are not prosecuted if investigated sure it will seem that there is very little problem with voter fraud.


Observe another paragraph which states:



There seem to be more ID issued in Kansas than voters by a small margin so that seems to disqualify the idea that there is about 10% without any ID at all.

The figure on DLs doesn't take into account non-citizens with DLs (which I'm sure there are many people in Kansas who have a DL, but are not citizens). Nationwide, I'd say that there probably are thousands with no ID, but most of them should be able to get one without a problem.

Yes, there is voter fraud, but I've yet to see it proven that there is widespread voter impersonation which is the only type of fraud that would be addressed by requiring ID. If the GOP, or Democrats for that matter, truly want to address voter fraud, there's many places to look. Start with absentee ballots. Voter ID laws fix next to nothing.
 
The figure on DLs doesn't take into account non-citizens with DLs (which I'm sure there are many people in Kansas who have a DL, but are not citizens). Nationwide, I'd say that there probably are thousands with no ID, but most of them should be able to get one without a problem.

Yes, there is voter fraud, but I've yet to see it proven that there is widespread voter impersonation which is the only type of fraud that would be addressed by requiring ID. If the GOP, or Democrats for that matter, truly want to address voter fraud, there's many places to look. Start with absentee ballots. Voter ID laws fix next to nothing.

The type of fraud that it would counter would be where a person votes for other specific people on a list that is given to him each at a different voting prescient. I know that the other methods of fraudulent voting would have to be done by different methods I want to be thorough.
 
How is it that there is suddenly a connection between needing an ID to get into the DNC and needing one to vote?

And, how is it that requiring or not requiring an ID has become such a big deal anyway?

There is no evidence of voter fraud due to not requiring an ID, and

There is none that requiring an ID would somehow skew the vote or disenfranchise anyone.

How many people are there who have no form of ID anyway, and those few who don't should have one anyway.

Moreover, people who have no bank accounts, no credit cards, do everything in cash, don't drive cars, that no doubt >1% of the population, how many vote anyway?

This is a non issue from both sides.
 
How is it that there is suddenly a connection between needing an ID to get into the DNC and needing one to vote?

And, how is it that requiring or not requiring an ID has become such a big deal anyway?

There is no evidence of voter fraud due to not requiring an ID, and

There is none that requiring an ID would somehow skew the vote or disenfranchise anyone.

How many people are there who have no form of ID anyway, and those few who don't should have one anyway.

Moreover, people who have no bank accounts, no credit cards, do everything in cash, don't drive cars, that no doubt >1% of the population, how many vote anyway?

This is a non issue from both sides.

How many people drive without a license? Not many I suspect so is driving without a license a non issue? Maybe we should just do away with drivers license laws.
 
How many people drive without a license? Not many I suspect so is driving without a license a non issue? Maybe we should just do away with drivers license laws.

Nice strawman you built there.

Put it another way. As a small government Conservative, why do you favor more governmental regulation that doesn't solve a problem?
 
The messanger of what exactly....that there are hacks out there that can't the difference between the right to vote and getting into a convention?

If you're non-partisan you might want to find better sources for news...just sayin.
I see. God forbid we should have anything resembling actual diversity of point-of-view. Only approved messages and sources are allowed. Typical partisan claptrap.
 
You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

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But thanks for playing!
 
I see. God forbid we should have anything resembling actual diversity of point-of-view. Only approved messages and sources are allowed. Typical partisan claptrap.

Haha! It's not a point of view...it's logically unsound to say that ID required to get into a private event is the same as ID required to vote. A point of view would be the massive amount of supposed voter fraud taking place which is supposedly the reason for these laws.
 
About voter ID, it doesn't even matter if it's a HUGE problem or not (although there could be multiple reasons why the "numbers" are low anyway). The rational thing to do is to take measures to prevent it from ever being a problem, because it very well could be a problem in the future. Doing something is better than doing nothing.
 
About voter ID, it doesn't even matter if it's a HUGE problem or not (although there could be multiple reasons why the "numbers" are low anyway). The rational thing to do is to take measures to prevent it from ever being a problem, because it very well could be a problem in the future. Doing something is better than doing nothing.

Same thing with giant mutant spiders and surly ghosts.

We don't want them to become a problem in the future.:cool:
 
Same thing with giant mutant spiders and surly ghosts.

We don't want them to become a problem in the future.:cool:

Well the solution to those problems isn't as simple as obtaining an ID. :2razz:
 
Well the solution to those problems isn't as simple as obtaining an ID. :2razz:

Everybody knows what this about, stopping people who are likely to vote Dem from voting.

GOP is wiping their ass with the American flag and spitting on minorities.
 
Everybody knows what this about, stopping people who are likely to vote Dem from voting.

GOP is wiping their ass with the American flag and spitting on minorities.

Well, so far I've seen no evidence of that, unless you count a 13-second Youtube clip, which I don't. This should not stop anyone from voting. If they can make it to the polls to vote, then they can obtain an identification. It is not difficult at all.
 
And yet...still no evidence of widespread voter fraud in this country. Come on, show some statistics that prove your case that we need voter IDs. If voter fraud is truly this widespread problem, then it shouldn't be difficult for you to produce some EVIDENCE of it instead of just bitching about "the liberals."

This is unquestionably the weakest argument ever made, and yet it is puked out verbatim by every liberal walking the earth, LOL. You guys do a great job of getting your talking points out.

It's such a "duh" solution to voter fraud. You people will argue with a fencepost (because you know you're wrong and you're just catering to illegals to become the lifeblood of your party).
 
This is unquestionably the weakest argument ever made, and yet it is puked out verbatim by every liberal walking the earth, LOL. You guys do a great job of getting your talking points out.

It's such a "duh" solution to voter fraud. You people will argue with a fencepost (because you know you're wrong and you're just catering to illegals to become the lifeblood of your party).

Speaking of getting out the talking points...

How is it a solution to voter fraud? Not the one little kind that amounts to almost nothing, I mean real, honest to God, large scale fraud. Like fraudulent absentee ballots. Are those IDs being checked?
 
This is unquestionably the weakest argument ever made, and yet it is puked out verbatim by every liberal walking the earth, LOL. You guys do a great job of getting your talking points out.

It's such a "duh" solution to voter fraud. You people will argue with a fencepost (because you know you're wrong and you're just catering to illegals to become the lifeblood of your party).

Then why can't you provide any evidence that this problem actually exists? If it's such a "duh" solution, then it should be incredibly easy for you to prove that voter impersonation is a widespread problem.
 
This is unquestionably the weakest argument ever made, and yet it is puked out verbatim by every liberal walking the earth, LOL. You guys do a great job of getting your talking points out.

It's such a "duh" solution to voter fraud. You people will argue with a fencepost (because you know you're wrong and you're just catering to illegals to become the lifeblood of your party).

It's a "duh" solution to something we don't know exists requiring something we know millions of current voters don't have.
 
Politics: The administration likes to use soldiers for photo-ops but now, in a critical battleground state, they want to restrict the extra time for service members who protect our right to vote to cast theirs.

blah...blah...blah


Apparently you didn't research your argument very thoroughly.

Early voting was curtailed in 2011, when Ohio passed H.B. 194, cutting the number of early voting days and disallowing weekend voting except for military voters.



The actual text of the lawsuit. Note that it seeks to restore early voting to ALL voters, NOT eliminate early voting for ANY group.

COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF

Plaintiffs, by their attorneys, file this complaint against Defendants and allege as follows:

Nature of Action

1. Plaintiffs bring this lawsuit to restore in-person early voting for all Ohioans during
the three days prior to Election Day – a right exercised by an estimated 93,000
Ohioans in the last presidential election. Ohio election law, as currently enacted by
the State of Ohio and administered by Defendant Ohio Secretary of State, arbitrarily
eliminates early voting during the three days prior to Election Day for most Ohio
voters, a right previously available to all Ohio voters. This disparate treatment
violates 42 U.S.C. § 1983 and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth
Amendment to the United States Constitution and can be rectified by the Court
enjoining enforcement of statutory changes that eliminate early in-person voting for
most Ohioans during the three days before an election.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/ObamaforAmericavHustedcomplaint.pdf

The court ruled in favor of the 'restore early voting for ALL voters'....

U.S. District Judge Peter Economus ruled that restoring a voting window for the three days before the election “does not deprive [Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act] voters from early voting” but instead “places all Ohio voters on equal standing.”
 
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