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You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

Who cares how it splits, or who won? They were 1099 felons ineligible to vote. That is a problem all by itself.

And none of them voted with fake ID. They showed up to vote, and had they been asked for ID, they probably would have produced it and voted no problem.
 
And none of them voted with fake ID. They showed up to vote, and had they been asked for ID, they probably would have produced it and voted no problem.

Who said anything about a fake ID?
 
In the United States...only 17 states even require identification in order to vote. Holder & Co., claim that requiring photo ID would be racist, because getting a driver’s license, etc., costs money. This claim has consistently been rejected by courts, and with good reason: If requiring photo ID to vote is racist, then what about requiring photo ID to exercise other constitutional rights, like buying a gun?

Voters understand this. According to a Washington Post poll taken earlier this month, 74 percent of Americans support laws requiring voters to show photo identification.

Related: How many dead voters are on the rolls (and hence open to manipulation and fraud)? Politico reports that one in eight voter registrations "is not valid or has significant inaccuracies." Plus:

There also are more than 1.8 million deceased people who still have active registration on voter rolls, Pew [Center on the States] found. And, [Pew's David] Becker said, the outdated, inefficient systems currently in place are “not designed to keep up with deaths as they occur.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...id-prove-you-re-democrat-but-not-vote-12.html


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Oh, please. My "what if" was exactly the same one as yours, and quite purposely so. So, in effect, if yours is valid is mine is not, it's because you think I'm a knuckle-dragging troglodyte and that your farts smell like Febreze.

Nope. The whole point of the law is that it affects SOME people more than it affects others. Pointing out that some people will not be impacted by the law does not negate the fact that others will be.

There were more options than even that.

According to your list, most of the acceptable forms of ID do not apply to everyone. The only forms of ID that are universally applicable are a PennDOT ID (e.g. driver's license), or a US passport. So if a person doesn't have a voter ID and they're a responsible citizen who wants to obtain one, presumably they are going to go with the cheaper option...which means that the DMVs are indeed going to be handling the brunt of the processing. And it is simply not realistic to think that they could be able to produce 500+ such IDs every day in addition to their regular workload, especially given the notorious inefficiencies of urban-area DMVs.

Not when you characterized the problem as one of "states."

What

Why should I bother having a conversation with some so venomously unhinged? I think I'll get off this crazy train now.

Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you. :2wave:
 
So of the 1099 illegal votes, you know for a fact that Franken got 70% of it?

How many convictions did it say they have. Actually requiring only one to Validate the Demos Tactic!!!!!
 
In the United States...only 17 states even require identification in order to vote. Holder & Co., claim that requiring photo ID would be racist, because getting a driver’s license, etc., costs money. This claim has consistently been rejected by courts, and with good reason: If requiring photo ID to vote is racist, then what about requiring photo ID to exercise other constitutional rights, like buying a gun?

Voters understand this. According to a Washington Post poll taken earlier this month, 74 percent of Americans support laws requiring voters to show photo identification.

Apparently 74% of Americans are straight-up Jim Crow-loving hardcore racists, also motivated by wanting Democrats to lose elections. Or so I heard, anyway.
 
In the United States...only 17 states even require identification in order to vote. Holder & Co., claim that requiring photo ID would be racist, because getting a driver’s license, etc., costs money. This claim has consistently been rejected by courts, and with good reason: If requiring photo ID to vote is racist, then what about requiring photo ID to exercise other constitutional rights, like buying a gun?
Voters understand this. According to a Washington Post poll taken earlier this month, 74 percent of Americans support laws requiring voters to show photo identification.

Related: How many dead voters are on the rolls (and hence open to manipulation and fraud)? Politico reports that one in eight voter registrations "is not valid or has significant inaccuracies." Plus:

There also are more than 1.8 million deceased people who still have active registration on voter rolls, Pew [Center on the States] found. And, [Pew's David] Becker said, the outdated, inefficient systems currently in place are “not designed to keep up with deaths as they occur.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...id-prove-you-re-democrat-but-not-vote-12.html


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Oh uhoooo.....Demos, Libs, Progressives. Can't have it BOTH WAYS NOW! So quite Bzinitching and play by the Rules of the Game!
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Apparently 74% of Americans are straight-up Jim Crow-loving hardcore racists, also motivated by wanting Democrats to lose elections. Or so I heard, anyway.

Nah, most of them are probably low-information voters who haven't considered the ramifications and don't really think about voter ID laws much at all. The high-information voters who HAVE considered the ramifications are the Jim Crow-loving hardcore racists who are motivated by wanting Democrats to lose.
 
Who cares how it splits, or who won? They were 1099 felons ineligible to vote. That is a problem all by itself, directly relevant to this discussion.

Just a slight aside, do you have a problem with the 18,000 eligible voters scrubbed from the voter roles by the Republican Sec of State in Florida in 2000 because their names were similar to those of felons?

If your boys had started this right after the LAST presidential election i wouldnt have a problem. Plenty of time to comply, and a mid term election to see if any unintended consequences arise.

Right before an election its a tactic.
 
Apparently 74% of Americans are straight-up Jim Crow-loving hardcore racists, also motivated by wanting Democrats to lose elections. Or so I heard, anyway.

Apparently......Do you think they will get upset that it is Poltico throwing out such stats and Pews?
 
Apparently......Do you think they will get upset that it is Poltico throwing out such stats and Pews?

Now I hear it's because they're stupid.
 
Just a slight aside, do you have a problem with the 18,000 eligible voters scrubbed from the voter roles by the Republican Sec of State in Florida in 2000 because their names were similar to those of felons?

If your boys had started this right after the LAST presidential election i wouldnt have a problem. Plenty of time to comply, and a mid term election to see if any unintended consequences arise.

Right before an election its a tactic.

FL was a cluster****. But they're not "my boys"; I'm not a Republican.

You may check back earlier in the thread when I suggested there would be no problem if it took effect in 2014.
 
FL was a cluster****. But they're not "my boys"; I'm not a Republican.

You may check back earlier in the thread when I suggested there would be no problem if it took effect in 2014.

Cool. Ive been in and out of this thread, so i must have missed that.
 
Just a slight aside, do you have a problem with the 18,000 eligible voters scrubbed from the voter roles by the Republican Sec of State in Florida in 2000 because their names were similar to those of felons?

If your boys had started this right after the LAST presidential election i wouldnt have a problem. Plenty of time to comply, and a mid term election to see if any unintended consequences arise.

Right before an election its a tactic.

Well lets not forget Gore trying to stop Florida Veterans From voting. Kinda like how the Obama and the Dems are trying to stop Ohio veterans from Voting. Oh yeah, isn't that a Key battleground state?
 
Well lets not forget Gore trying to stop Florida Veterans From voting. Kinda like how the Obama and the Dems are trying to stop Ohio veterans from Voting. Oh yeah, isn't that a Key battleground state?

You got some links for that?

I looked and it appears that your position is based on spin and not reality.

But I'll look if you have some other proof.
 
Who said anything about a fake ID?

Whatever they did, it's unlikely that voter ID laws would have stopped most of them from voting. You could be a felon with a legitimate, current ID. Most of them probably were.
 
Whatever they did, it's unlikely that voter ID laws would have stopped most of them from voting. You could be a felon with a legitimate, current ID. Most of them probably were.

That's not the point. The point was whether or not it happens.
 
You got some links for that?

I looked and it appears that your position is based on spin and not reality.

But I'll look if you have some other proof.

Instead of Gore how about Obama and these So Called Democrats?

Politics: The administration likes to use soldiers for photo-ops but now, in a critical battleground state, they want to restrict the extra time for service members who protect our right to vote to cast theirs.

mvsaclThe administration showed its true appreciation for military service when, on July 17, the Obama for America Campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party filed suit in that swing state to strike down part of the state's law governing voting by members of the military that gives them extra time to cast their ballots
Ohio is one of 32 states that allows early voting in person or by mail without an excuse.....snip~

Obama Supporters Sue To Restrict Extra Time For Military Voting - Investors.com



In a move that could have an impact on the final result of the presidential election, Barack Obama’s campaign has sued Ohio to block a measure which extends early voting for members of the military.

The action brought quick responses from Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine and as many as 15 military groups.

DeWine told Fox News on Friday that he found the July 17 action by Obama campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party “quite shocking."

The tradition for allowing special circumstances for military personnel in voting dates back to the civil war, he said.....snip~

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Ohio-military-vote-Democrats/2012/08/03/id/447552

Read more on Newsmax.com: Obama Campaign Sues in Bid to Suppress Military Vote
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
 
Instead of Gore how about Obama and these So Called Democrats?

Politics: The administration likes to use soldiers for photo-ops but now, in a critical battleground state, they want to restrict the extra time for service members who protect our right to vote to cast theirs.

mvsaclThe administration showed its true appreciation for military service when, on July 17, the Obama for America Campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party filed suit in that swing state to strike down part of the state's law governing voting by members of the military that gives them extra time to cast their ballots
Ohio is one of 32 states that allows early voting in person or by mail without an excuse.....snip~

Obama Supporters Sue To Restrict Extra Time For Military Voting - Investors.com



In a move that could have an impact on the final result of the presidential election, Barack Obama’s campaign has sued Ohio to block a measure which extends early voting for members of the military.

The action brought quick responses from Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine and as many as 15 military groups.

DeWine told Fox News on Friday that he found the July 17 action by Obama campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party “quite shocking."

The tradition for allowing special circumstances for military personnel in voting dates back to the civil war, he said.....snip~

Obama Campaign Sues in Bid to Suppress Military Vote

Read more on Newsmax.com: Obama Campaign Sues in Bid to Suppress Military Vote
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

That's what I thought.

That's in response to the Repubs law trying to prevent church groups from voting on the Sunday before election day, but not the military.

Considering the voti g patterns of the church groups in question and the military, the reasoni g is clear.

So it was about disenfranchising the church groups who generally vote dem and not disenfranchising the rep leaning military.

Spin, and partisan game playing, in other words.
 
That's not the point. The point was whether or not it happens.

It is the point if we're using it as an example of why voter ID is needed.

If ID wouldn't stop it, maybe we need something that will fix that instead. I agree it's a problem, but voter ID in this case is like putting a full body cast on a paper cut. Makes no difference.
 
That's what I thought.

That's in response to the Repubs law trying to prevent church groups from voting on the Sunday before election day, but not the military.

Considering the voti g patterns of the church groups in question and the military, the reasoni g is clear.

So it was about disenfranchising the church groups who generally vote dem and not disenfranchising the rep leaning military.

Spin, and partisan game playing, in other words.

Right.....I am sure NEWS Investors was off into spinning anything. But you can look up when Gore Tried it too. Uhm who filed suit? <Rolls Eyes>
 
Right.....I am sure NEWS Investors was off into spinning anything. But you can look up when Gore Tried it too. Uhm who filed suit? <Rolls Eyes>

The Gore thing was about counting incomplete/undated absentee ballots from military members, which were discarded per policy originally.

And who do you think Investors Business Daily wants as preaident?
 
It is the point if we're using it as an example of why voter ID is needed.

If ID wouldn't stop it, maybe we need something that will fix that instead. I agree it's a problem, but voter ID in this case is like putting a full body cast on a paper cut. Makes no difference.

Well, then that's a different argument than the one which was being made, which was that there's no shred of a need for it.
 
Well, then that's a different argument than the one which was being made, which was that there's no shred of a need for it.

There is no shred of a need for voter ID. Well, maybe a shred, but a very small shred. What would be fixed by voter ID is such a small problem, it's not worth the attention it's been getting.

If we want to go after voter fraud, start with absentee ballots. There's probably many cases of both parties cheating that system, but it's not as well documented because it's easier to hide. In the end, Gore v. Bush, and Franken v. Coleman were both cases that hinged on absentee ballots, but voter ID doesn't fix it.
 
There is no shred of a need for voter ID. Well, maybe a shred, but a very small shred. What would be fixed by voter ID is such a small problem, it's not worth the attention it's been getting.

If we want to go after voter fraud, start with absentee ballots. There's probably many cases of both parties cheating that system, but it's not as well documented because it's easier to hide. In the end, Gore v. Bush, and Franken v. Coleman were both cases that hinged on absentee ballots, but voter ID doesn't fix it.

As I say, that's a different argument from saying there is no voter fraud.
 
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