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I challenge anyone to find me any part of the constitution that is still followed.

Anyone want to take up the challenge? No? Good, because we know it's not and the judicial branch is completely and utterly useless as a check. I don't know how much clearer they can be with almost everything they said. How much clearer can it be than to all out say the government can not act on speech? Really? How do you even make that clearer? I have no clue how that is done.
 
After all the **** that's been going on? Not one bit. It's public domain the instant it's posted, so watch what you say. However, I highly doubt he was detained solely for what he said on facebook.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't care then get the people in office to change the constitution so it is legal.

if we're aloud to just blow off the law these days, just let me know because I will be OK with that as well!
 
The problem is the Supreme court ruled it is perfectly fine to ignore everything in the constitution and they have done so repeatedly.

Oh they aren't ignoring it, they have been whole sale bought and paid for like the rest of our government.

How anyone can read Kennedy's majority decision on Citizen's United, and then the decision written on the Montana campaign finance law that was on the books for over 100 years, and not see the utter corruption that must be occurring for those two decisions to co-exist in the same court, is absurd to me!
 
That's nice and all, but he wasn't sent to jail. He was sent to a VA hospital for psychiatric observation, which tells me there's a whole hell of a lot more to this story than what's being told.

You may want to read your sig, and then look at yourself in a mirror, and read your response to the clear violation of the constitution.
 
Oh they aren't ignoring it, they have been whole sale bought and paid for like the rest of our government.

How anyone can read Kennedy's majority decision on Citizen's United, and then the decision written on the Montana campaign finance law that was on the books for over 100 years, and not see the utter corruption that must be occurring for those two decisions to co-exist in the same court, is absurd to me!

Little ass mole Roberts works a hell of a lot better here. I hate to admit it but Obama was right about him when he said he was only interested in corporate interests. Just look at his ruling in Citizen United and then his ruling for the healthcare law and its pretty clear what his deal is.
 
You may want to read your sig, and then look at yourself in a mirror, and read your response to the clear violation of the constitution.

I'm sorry, I'm not buying this bandwagon bull**** based on a youtube video and blatantly biased coverage. It's no different than the OWS nonsense.
 
Little ass mole Roberts works a hell of a lot better here. I hate to admit it but Obama was right about him when he said he was only interested in corporate interests. Just look at his ruling in Citizen United and then his ruling for the healthcare law and its pretty clear what his deal is.

Ha, I was calling the ACA decision moths in advance, and predicting a major conservative judge would jump ship to pass it. I thought it would be Alito.

Everyone called me a quack for saying that when Obama cut the backroom deal to remove any price controls from the ACA, he was guaranteed its passing, which is why I knew the ACA would pass, and a conservative judge would flip.

I think I actually changed a few people's minds by calling that one.

Edit: also Roberts and Alito's Federalist ties are quite interesting.
 
I'm sorry, I'm not buying this bandwagon bull**** based on a youtube video and blatantly biased coverage. It's no different than the OWS nonsense.

What is biased about the fact that this info was gathered through data mining, and that is a constitutional violation?
 
What is biased about the fact that this info was gathered through data mining, and that is a constitutional violation?

What's biased about it? The rhetoric being spewed is a dead give away, so is the blatant polarizing effect of this story. Raub wasn't sent to jail, he was sent to a psychiatric center for evaluation. The 4th Amendment doesn't apply to medical detention.
 
What's biased about it? The rhetoric being spewed is a dead give away, so is the blatant polarizing effect of this story. Raub wasn't sent to jail, he was sent to a psychiatric center for evaluation. The 4th Amendment doesn't apply to medical detention.

What is a dead give away is your clinging to any excuse for why its OK for the government to be data mining US citizens.

But hey don't take my word for it, perhaps an executive for Stratfor can scare some sense into you:

Regarding SF landmarks of interest--they need something like Trapwire more for threats from activists than from terror threats. Both are useful, but the activists are ever present around here.

Trapwire and data mining: What we know | Privacy SOS
 
What is a dead give away is your clinging to any excuse for why its OK for the government to be data mining US citizens.

But hey don't take my word for it, perhaps an executive for Stratfor can scare some sense into you:



Trapwire and data mining: What we know | Privacy SOS

Show me where I made any "excuses". The 4th Amendment does not apply to psychiatric detention, and the media coverage has an overwhelming bias concerning this story. One fact that is surprisingly going ignored is that he was sent to a VA clinic. That's a pretty big detail to overlook, and a very important one, as well.
 
What's biased about it? The rhetoric being spewed is a dead give away, so is the blatant polarizing effect of this story. Raub wasn't sent to jail, he was sent to a psychiatric center for evaluation. The 4th Amendment doesn't apply to medical detention.

And that distinction is where in the fourth amendment?
 
The Supreme Court case of Anthony v. the City of New York.

That is nice and all, but I'm asking you, not them.

Let us quote it and maybe you can find where the exception is..

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

Please show me where there is room for a exception in there. Hell, copy what the supreme court said on the matter if you want. It won't make a damn bit of a difference because, guess what, it's not there. There is no wiggle room in that statement and we both know it.
 
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Someone being incarcerated is incarcerated be it the county jail, cookoo's nest or Gimto your a** is locked up. The reason they didn't take him to a traditional jail was because a judge might call bull**** on their reasons which is what happened. Actually the judge said they had no reasons. People buying into this notion that someone can be locked up because what they "think" or "say" is a frightening prospect.

“No," said the priest, "you don't need to accept everything as true, you only have to accept it as necessary." "Depressing view," said K.
"The lie made into the rule of the world.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial


I'm to believe voting matters when both major candidates have no problem with this kind of thing. Not buying it and if you vote for either one this is the kind of thing you are voting for. You might as well wear a t-shirt that reads "More Jails Less Liberty!" or "We Don't Need No Stinkin Civil Liberties!" with a donkey or elephant on the back it doesn't matter which.
 
Show me where I made any "excuses". The 4th Amendment does not apply to psychiatric detention, and the media coverage has an overwhelming bias concerning this story. One fact that is surprisingly going ignored is that he was sent to a VA clinic. That's a pretty big detail to overlook, and a very important one, as well.

If the information obtained to qualify for psychiatric detention was obtained without a warrant, it makes no difference what they did with the info.

You keep referring to the media coverage, when the story I am referring to has been blacked out by both wings of the MSM.
 
If the information obtained to qualify for psychiatric detention was obtained without a warrant, it makes no difference what they did with the info.
A warrant isn't required for taking someone to a medical facility.

You keep referring to the media coverage, when the story I am referring to has been blacked out by both wings of the MSM.
Brandon Raub is just a google search away. Two things stand out:

I. Worst things are posted on Facebook without consequence every day.

II. The fact that he was taken to a VA clinic instead of a regular civilian facility tells me that it's more than likely that he has a history of mental health issues that were documented during his time in the military.

Neither are given any consideration in the attempt to turn Raub into a political martyr.
 
That is nice and all, but I'm asking you, not them.
Except that the Supreme Court is just that: The Supreme Court. Their interpretation of the Constitution is law. A warrant was never necessary for taking a person to medical facility, because it isn't incarceration.
 
A warrant isn't required for taking someone to a medical facility.


Brandon Raub is just a google search away. Two things stand out:

I. Worst things are posted on Facebook without consequence every day.

II. The fact that he was taken to a VA clinic instead of a regular civilian facility tells me that it's more than likely that he has a history of mental health issues that were documented during his time in the military.

Neither are given any consideration in the attempt to turn Raub into a political martyr.

Your making my point for me by saying worst things are posted everyday without consequence. And my point lies in the suspicious behavior software Trapwire has!
 
Except that the Supreme Court is just that: The Supreme Court. Their interpretation of the Constitution is law.

And?? I'm waiting for you to defend your support for them here. I see nothing so far.

A warrant was never necessary for taking a person to medical facility, because it isn't incarceration.

That is not what it says.

And just so you know, it is.
 
The question for me is how did they find this information?

Spoiler alert: Trapwire
I suspect the fbi monitors Facebook ala the Patriot Act...or maybe somebody turned him in. I dunno.

Another question is how did the media or press know to show up when they arrested the guy....at his own house? What made him so special to get that kind of attention compared to countless other arrests?

Trapwire? Is that like software that filters or picks up on key words? Such as....bomb.......ba ba bomb......ba ba ba bomb?
 
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I suspect the fbi monitors Facebook ala the Patriot Act...or maybe somebody turned him in. I dunno.

Another question is how did the media or press know to show up when they arrested the guy....at his own house? What made him so special to get that kind of attention compared to countless other arrests?

Trapwire? Is that like software that filters or picks up on key words? Such as....bomb.......ba ba bomb......ba ba ba bomb?

They say users turned him in. I think the video is from his family not the press but I'm not certain about that.

Trapwire got a little bit of press in the Anon Stratfor hacked emails. Stratfor was marketing Trapwire to their clients without notifying their clients they had a financial interest. State of Texas is probably their biggest customer and Burton the head of Stratfor worked as head of the department that approved the purchase of Trapwire. There are many theories out there but my understanding is it's data mining software that claims to have some predicative abilities and sophisticated pattern recognition ability like being able to differentiate between a tourist videotaping something and a terrorist videotaping for nefarious purposes.

Stratfor EMail

On that subject if anyone knows who "Our Lady Of our Dripping Springs" is please post it or pm me. The best I could do is the TX state rep for Drippings was Patrick Rose and he was referenced in one of the emails relating to Texas purchasing Trapwire.

Wired Article
 
You don't know that this is why he was detained. You shouldn't assume you have all the details.

Clearly stated in the article.

After a quick hearing, government officials confirmed that Raub’s Facebook posts necessitated his detention, refusing to acknowledge legal objections that the words were wrongly interpreted.

Read more: The case of Brandon Raub: Can the government detain you over Facebook posts? | Washington Times Communities
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It also goes on to list his facebook posts.
 
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