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National Weather Service to purchase large amount of handgun ammunition...?

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Not sure this is the right place for this but here goes...

I need some help. Why does the National Weather Service need handgun ammunition?

The DOC NOAA National Weather Service - Western Acquisition Division ? Boulder requires the following items, Purchase Description Determined by Line Item, to the following: LI 001, 16,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols to be factory-loaded .40 S&W caliber, 180-grain jacketed hollow point (JHP).

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...&id=bfd95987a1ad9a6dfb22bca4a19150cb&_cview=0

Anyone?
 
Not sure this is the right place for this but here goes...

I need some help. Why does the National Weather Service need handgun ammunition?

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...&id=bfd95987a1ad9a6dfb22bca4a19150cb&_cview=0

Anyone?

That is a good question. I would assume that they have their own security personnel, instead of using private security for their installations.

Update: http://www.businessinsider.com/this...dly-ordered-46000-rounds-of-ammunition-2012-8
 
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Not sure this is the right place for this but here goes...

I need some help. Why does the National Weather Service need handgun ammunition?

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...&id=bfd95987a1ad9a6dfb22bca4a19150cb&_cview=0

Anyone?

Google is your friend.

The National Weather Service maintains a fleet of seafaring vessels. Actually, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to say it more properly maintains a fleet of seafaring vessels. The ships are separated in two different fleets—their Atlantic and their Pacific fleets. In total, NOAA has 19 of these ships.

These ships traverse the globe collecting an array of data on the ocean and the atmosphere. Unfortunately, the world is not a very safe place.

Because of the dangers in which NOAA ships and crew encounter, especially when they travel close to land, they physically secure themselves. And yes, the best security is a well-armed professional who knows how to shoot with extreme prejudice and accuracy.

Due to the salt water voyages NOAA ships endure, their ammunition gets old pretty quick and they must purchase large quantities from time to time to restock their arsenals. Interestingly, 16,000 rounds of ammunition is not a whole heck of a lot especially when crew members must conduct bi-annual recertification on the weapons they employ.

The National Weather Service and America's newest conspiracy - National Intelligence | Examiner.com
 
End of thread I guess

Yeah, I think so. I read this a couple of days ago and been thinking about it sense. I wrote the OP this morning but was unable to post due to down time then go too busy to research. The articles posted above were from today hense the reason for me missing them, embarassingly...thanks to those who have enlightened me...;)

One might question the necessity of NOAA having ships that deploy 'around the world' with satellite technology and such but that discussion is for another time.
 
Yeah, I think so. I read this a couple of days ago and been thinking about it sense. I wrote the OP this morning but was unable to post due to down time then go too busy to research. The articles posted above were from today hense the reason for me missing them, embarassingly...thanks to those who have enlightened me...;)

One might question the necessity of NOAA having ships that deploy 'around the world' with satellite technology and such but that discussion is for another time.

Every now and then you can actually learn something in this forum.:)
 
I was hoping it would be that they're firing at tornadoes now...
 
Security for the weather stations they own/operate?
 
Seems to be a clerical error. The ammo is going to the National Marine Fisheries Service. Considering who these guys regulate, they certainly should be armed.

National Weather Service “ammunition” solicitation triggers confusion - Capital Weather Gang - The Washington Post

I read another article that says they're probably for another agency. Some strange things are happening with the recent DOD documentary showing the military how to quell an insurrection with force. The gov purchasing large quantities of meat to freeze and now hollow point (?) bullets, which are for killing. I wonder what they're preparing for or expecting>?
 
I read another article that says they're probably for another agency. Some strange things are happening with the recent DOD documentary showing the military how to quell an insurrection with force. The gov purchasing large quantities of meat to freeze and now hollow point (?) bullets, which are for killing. I wonder what they're preparing for or expecting>?

I'll be concerned if we can show that previous requests didn't include ammo, or included a significantly smaller request for ammo.
 
I'll be concerned if we can show that previous requests didn't include ammo, or included a significantly smaller request for ammo.

I still think 46,000 rounds of hollow points for game wardens is a little whacked. "Drop that illegal Fish Ma'am or I'll blow you away with my 1000's of semiautomatic hollowpoint rounds!" Now if it were the Coast Guard, maybe. But I'm not sure JHP's (hollowpoints) are legal for the military?
 
I still think 46,000 rounds of hollow points for game wardens is a little whacked. "Drop that illegal Fish Ma'am or I'll blow you away with my 1000's of semiautomatic hollowpoint rounds!" Now if it were the Coast Guard, maybe. But I'm not sure JHP's (hollowpoints) are legal for the military?

I dunno anything about SOP. What is the duration for which those 46k rounds were ordered? Are they used (albeit foolishly) for target practice? Are they designated for taking down wildlife that poses a threat to campers/fishers/hikers/others in state/federal parks?

I mean, I definitely think we should get an explanation, 'cause it's all supposition.
 
I still think 46,000 rounds of hollow points for game wardens is a little whacked. "Drop that illegal Fish Ma'am or I'll blow you away with my 1000's of semiautomatic hollowpoint rounds!" Now if it were the Coast Guard, maybe. But I'm not sure JHP's (hollowpoints) are legal for the military?

Most of NMFS is actually boarding and regulating the commercial fishing sector (many of them are joint boardings with the Coast Guard). They're not your average game warden checking for fishing licenses and some recational fisherman that might be poaching.

Don't know how much interaction you've had with the commercial fishing industry but the vast majority of the guys that crew these boats aren't the most savory characters. And they are operating in a maritime environment. Sea air + bullets = very short shelf life.
 
I dunno anything about SOP. What is the duration for which those 46k rounds were ordered? Are they used (albeit foolishly) for target practice? Are they designated for taking down wildlife that poses a threat to campers/fishers/hikers/others in state/federal parks?

I mean, I definitely think we should get an explanation, 'cause it's all supposition.

They wouldn't use an expensive JHP round for target practice or pistol rounds for game. And if the rounds aren't stored improperly they should have a long shelf life.

Most of NMFS is actually boarding and regulating the commercial fishing sector (many of them are joint boardings with the Coast Guard). They're not your average game warden checking for fishing licenses and some recational fisherman that might be poaching.

Don't know how much interaction you've had with the commercial fishing industry but the vast majority of the guys that crew these boats aren't the most savory characters. And they are operating in a maritime environment. Sea air + bullets = very short shelf life.

I won't claim to know much about the maritime environment though I don't see many stories of "shootouts" in the news on the high seas.
 
I won't claim to know much about the maritime environment though I don't see many stories of "shootouts" in the news on the high seas.

You likely won't. They don't occur very often but NMFS does vessel boarding just like the Coast Guard does. The Coast Guard is armed doing the same missions, why wouldn't NFMS be?

The commercial fishing industry consists largely of substance abusers (not talking about pot smokers either, towns with a heavy commercial fishing presence usually have a higher than average heroin problem).

On top of that, the commercial fishing industry downright despise NMFS.
 
A bit of google searching turned up the fact that Jeff Radonski (one of the people the ammo is being shipped to) is the assistant special agent in charge of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. So essentially, there are some law enforcement agents working for NOAA, and they need ammo for their service weapons.
 
A bit of google searching turned up the fact that Jeff Radonski (one of the people the ammo is being shipped to) is the assistant special agent in charge of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. So essentially, there are some law enforcement agents working for NOAA, and they need ammo for their service weapons.


Yeah, the guys that work the FL Keys NMS are law enforcement. Total douchebags, but still law enforcement.
 
Most who has ever worked with a Government agency know that at the end of the fiscal year (Aug 31)
in the case of the Fed. There are unspent monies that must be dealt with.
Different ledgers have different uses.
So it may be something as simple as TSA has some capital money left.
and NOAA has some expense money left.
TSA needs ammo (expense) NOAA needs a new capital something. each buys the other thing.
Is it right? no way, does it happen? I think it does all the time.
 
I remember when the Kenyan in the WH said he wanted a civilian army equiped and funded as well as the military. The IRS has guns, EPA has guns, and now, the NWS is armed and none of these organizations had them before. Hmmm ...
 
16,000 rounds isn't actually a lot of ammo.

Just sayin'.
 
I remember when the Kenyan in the WH said he wanted a civilian army equiped and funded as well as the military. The IRS has guns, EPA has guns, and now, the NWS is armed and none of these organizations had them before. Hmmm ...

You have a source for this wild assed claim?
 
You have a source for this wild assed claim?

Silly me, I thought that civility was the rule on this board, but it apparently doesn't apply to a "GLOBAL MOD". Your "wild ass claim" insult is noted.

However, for your reading pleasure:

Obama Civilian Security - YouTube civilian force

Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his July 2 speech (yet another one where naming Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was required) in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released script and performed without the teleprompter net saying,

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." --Barack Obama, 2 July 2008

The Department of Homeland Security is looking to purchase a total of 625 million rounds of ammunition.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal... The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer "optimum penetration for terminal performance."

This refers to the the bullet's hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: "this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions."

We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

That's only two rounds for every man, woman and child in America, which hardly seems enough.

http://www.infowars.com/hr-675-building-obamas-civilian-nati...
 
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