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Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

Pizza Hut I will give you the "Better pizza" label.

Dominos is rubber ****.
Yet, they are Papa John's main competitors and Domino's is running to neck to neck with Papa John's. I seen a few people on this forum say they didn't care for Papa John's pizza. Personally, I don't like any of the franchised pizzas and buy from a local pizzaria. But I also think the owner of Papa John's is just using the media to get free national attention and his threat is mostly hot air. Maybe he hopes there will be a national Papa John's appreciation day if keeps making a big enough political stink.
 
Yet, they are Papa John's main competitors and Domino's is running to neck to neck with Papa John's. I seen a few people on this forum say they didn't care for Papa John's pizza. Personally, I don't like any of the franchised pizzas and buy from a local pizzaria. But I also think the owner of Papa John's is just using the media to get free national attention and his threat is mostly hot air. Maybe he hopes there will be a national Papa John's appreciation day if keeps making a big enough political stink.

Very possibly. Seems to be chic for all our fast food joints now to tell us how they feel about one hot-button issue or another.
 
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Worrying more about maximizing profits for share holders instead of spending on keeping a company competitive is what runs a lot of companies into the ground. Just ask Romney, he's an expert at it.

Yes, you can ruin any business by extracting too much cash from it for the owners. I don't quite see what that has to do with the issue at hand.

Many businesses fail, and I'm sure this is often why they do. The issue is whether government, through Obamacare, will make it harder for well-run businesses to succeed?
 
Oddly, in this copy-paste from the teacher's edition of an online textbook (with the Google search terms left highlighted), you didn't actually answer the question.

At best, you posted second-hand "criticism" of some companies.

What you didn't do is provide definitive examples of companies which failed because it chose profit maximization over "competitiveness."

Yes I did answer your question Harshaw, and now you're trying to move the goal post. Sorry, but that pig doesn't fly. I'm done with playing your stupid fallacious games.
 
Yes I did answer your question Harshaw, and now you're trying to move the goal post. Sorry, but that pig doesn't fly. I'm done with playing your stupid fallacious games.

:roll:

No, you didn't, Moot, and I'm not moving anything. This is what I said:


Worrying more about maximizing profits for share holders instead of spending on keeping a company competitive is what runs a lot of companies into the ground.

Nonsense. This is self-contradictory.

Give definitive examples. Don't dodge.

This:

What you didn't do is provide definitive examples of companies which failed because it chose profit maximization over "competitiveness."

Is a restatement of the exact same challenge. You did not provide this.
 
Yes, you can ruin any business by extracting too much cash from it for the owners. I don't quite see what that has to do with the issue at hand.

Many businesses fail, and I'm sure this is often why they do. The issue is whether government, through Obamacare, will make it harder for well-run businesses to succeed?
I was just responding to your statement....

"...I agree with you that it is responsible for Papa John's to conform their prices to those of their competitors, but I don't agree if you are implying that trying to maximize profit is irresponsible for any business...".

If it's not the issue then why did you bring it up?
 
Its not...hes a big romney supporter....its a fabricrated issue...Papa Johns Has alot of pizzerias but none of them have alot of employees...the one near me has 3 employees on at a time...and its not a 24 hr operation. Aside from that 11 cts on a pizza is chump change for a pizza maker...believe they eat bigger chunks than that in a tri monthly wholesale increase
As a many year small business owner...I truly believe, happy healthy employees, translates into more success for your business and MORE PROFIT FOR YOU....I paid my shop managers and assts 3.00 an hour min more than my competititor and I got it back at least double from them in loyalty and respect honesty and dedication...and I stand by that statment completely.

The amount of employees per store is not what Obamacare goes by. It goes by the amount of employee's per company.
 
Because if Domino's or Pizza Hut can give their employees the same health care benefits without punishing their customers with higher costs and still serve a better pizza then thats where my money is going to be spent.

Do you really think that it will be just Papa Johns that raise's their price because of Obamacare? I have no doubt that the others will also...they just won't be so upfront with it.
 
The amount of employees per store is not what Obamacare goes by. It goes by the amount of employee's per company.

True, but Papa John's is a franchise, so the per store employee count is pretty much on target (certainly there are many multiple store operations, but at 3-5 employees per store, a 10 store operator would be pretty large and under the threshold). Sounds as if the Papa John's CEO is making a $.30 mountain out of a mole hill. This is pretty much a non-issue regarding Papa John's (and most other similarly situated franchise operations). Let's move on!
 
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Do you really think that it will be just Papa Johns that raise's their price because of Obamacare? I have no doubt that the others will also...they just won't be so upfront with it.
I think it will depend on the size of the business and whether or not they already have employee health insurance.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...ZknVwX&sig=AHIEtbQLXZK7moAy2BtkwZueRwBYhUzvKA


"...The structure of a Papa John's restaurant is typical of that seen in many fast-food outlets, with a salaried store manager presiding over day-to-day operations, and several salaried or hourly assistant managers and shift managers presiding over in-store and delivery team members. Above the store management is an area supervisor who is generally supervised by a franchisee or; in corporate stores, a director of operations reports to an operational vice president....

Papa John's Pizza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most of Papa John's businesses are franchises with a store and/or they sell their pizzas inside of other stores and each francise most likely has well under 50 employees including management. So no, I don't think the ACA will effect most of them at all.

Most large companies already have employee insurance so it's the medium size businesses with 50 or more employees that will probably notice a change. Thats not to say that a Papa John franchise doesn't have mulitple stores in it's area and could have more than a 100 employees, but I doubt it. I think as a company starts to grow and expand most of them tend to get health insurance for their employees anyway. AFA will actually help small companies with less than 20 employees compete because they won't have to pay for AFA insurance and that will offset the difference of what they've been paying for other regulations per employee compared to mid size companies....

see chart.... Annual Cost of Federal Regulations by Firm size
Frequently Asked Questions
 
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Has anyone considered that instead of raising the price of the pizza they may just put 1/2 an ounce less of cheese on each pizza?
 
I think I got it right. The world doesn't owe Papa John's owner a living or a profit. If he wants to stick it to his customers, instead of being a responsible business owner then let his customers decide if they want to pay for the higher cost of his product. If they don't, then they'll go to his competitors, Pizza Hut and Domino's and then Papa John's will lose money...a lot of money. That's just the way it is.

Try this. He was making a point about the cost of ACA not about the pricing policy of his company. Perhaps he was trying to make the point that there is no free lunch, that when you add cost, someone pays. It could be that the company will absorb the cost and shareholders will pay, along with the government which will collect less tax revenues. It could be he will recoup these costs by cutting back on other employee benefits, or he could raise prices. In all likelihood a combination of all three.

Not sure why folks on this site seem so literal about what someone says.
 
Try this. He was making a point about the cost of ACA not about the pricing policy of his company. Perhaps he was trying to make the point that there is no free lunch, that when you add cost, someone pays. It could be that the company will absorb the cost and shareholders will pay, along with the government which will collect less tax revenues. It could be he will recoup these costs by cutting back on other employee benefits, or he could raise prices. In all likelihood a combination of all three.

Not sure why folks on this site seem so literal about what someone says.

Me neither.....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...eo-john-schnatter-says-26.html#post1060786335
 
Try this. He was making a point about the cost of ACA not about the pricing policy of his company. Perhaps he was trying to make the point that there is no free lunch, that when you add cost, someone pays. It could be that the company will absorb the cost and shareholders will pay, along with the government which will collect less tax revenues. It could be he will recoup these costs by cutting back on other employee benefits, or he could raise prices. In all likelihood a combination of all three.

Not sure why folks on this site seem so literal about what someone says.

Not even sure why folks on this site seem to think they're going to raise the price of their pizzas. He never said that.
 
Has anyone considered that instead of raising the price of the pizza they may just put 1/2 an ounce less of cheese on each pizza?

20 cents wont buy you 1/2 an once of cheese, not even @ wholesale.
 
Frozen pizza has very little cheese, they use a vegetable oil based fake cheesy substance as filler, with a few random gratings for cheese taste.
 
Frozen pizza has very little cheese, they use a vegetable oil based fake cheesy substance as filler, with a few random gratings for cheese taste.
Mmm, yummy. lol
 
20 cents wont buy you 1/2 an once of cheese, not even @ wholesale.

How much do you think that mozzarella cheese costs per pound?
 
Course right now 'we' are paying for the uninsured to get healthcare in the most expensive place- the ER- where critical care patients can have a harder struggle to receive timely care, doctors distracted by the sea of uninsured trying to get help for their children.

The hospital and the doctors are not eating the 'loss' from uninsured coming into the ER and not paying the bill.

Guess who is?

Now some want to set up a system where healthcare for non-emergency patients is billed at something less than trauma care rates, at say, clinic rates. Imagine the price difference between a visit to the ER for a strep throat vs the cost at the AM/PM clinic. My last visit to the 'quick care' clinic was 65 bucks plus medicine, Imagine what that would have cost the hospital if I had clogged up the ER? 65 bucks vs 300+

Right now those whining about the increase cost of a healthcare plan for currently uninsured, seem ignorant of how their medical bills are being paid. When a hospital charges 5 bucks for an aspirin they claim it is to cover the costs of those who are uninsured and don't pay their bills.

Just something to think about while you decry 14 cents extra for a pizza...
 
$13.99 on average is what I found online.

If that is what every pizza place paid for cheese they would all be out of business.

I found $2.52/lb. right off the bat. Pizza chains get it even cheaper.
 
I just gave 2.89 a pound shredded in a resealable pouch- retail in Iowa.

Where in THE hell do people give their money away like that??? over 13 bucks a pound for what I pay retail under 3? Hell I need to get into the resell business, seems a lot of right wing suckers out there just waiting to be separated from their money! :mrgreen:
 
Course right now 'we' are paying for the uninsured to get healthcare in the most expensive place- the ER- where critical care patients can have a harder struggle to receive timely care, doctors distracted by the sea of uninsured trying to get help for their children.

The hospital and the doctors are not eating the 'loss' from uninsured coming into the ER and not paying the bill.

Guess who is?

Now some want to set up a system where healthcare for non-emergency patients is billed at something less than trauma care rates, at say, clinic rates. Imagine the price difference between a visit to the ER for a strep throat vs the cost at the AM/PM clinic. My last visit to the 'quick care' clinic was 65 bucks plus medicine, Imagine what that would have cost the hospital if I had clogged up the ER? 65 bucks vs 300+

Right now those whining about the increase cost of a healthcare plan for currently uninsured, seem ignorant of how their medical bills are being paid. When a hospital charges 5 bucks for an aspirin they claim it is to cover the costs of those who are uninsured and don't pay their bills.

Just something to think about while you decry 14 cents extra for a pizza...

I hear about this issue all of the time. Do you know how much of the nearly $3 trillion we will spend health care this year falls in this bucket. As this bill will not cover any of the 11 million or so illegal immigrants, what percent of these uncovered costs comes from this group. Finally this bill will not cover everyone so there will still be uninsured so this cost is far from going away.
 
It is a start down the road to fix the problem, better 1,600 people use the ER instead of the clinic for relatively simple health care? Better 1,600 people jack up the cost of health care to us all vs 14 more pennies for a pizza?

To decry this step as not fixing everything seems silly. You want some microwave just add water, or an all or nothing scenario?

Speaking of what would truly help vs 14 cents is allowing the federal gubmint to do what most HMOs and other countries do- negotiate the cost of medicines Big Pharma provides. Currently Medicare/aid is not allowed to negotiate for a better price with Big Pharma. Not free market where I come from, I get to haggle and if the supplier values my business enough he will deal with me.

Now to address the immigrant issue, 'real' Americans not paying their medical bills far outstrips the immigrant fail to pay. Instead of asking a question, give some facts on just who fails to pay how much. Except for a few high immigrant counties most everyplace else it is Born in the USA folks who skip out on the bill.....
 
It is a start down the road to fix the problem, better 1,600 people use the ER instead of the clinic for relatively simple health care? Better 1,600 people jack up the cost of health care to us all vs 14 more pennies for a pizza?

To decry this step as not fixing everything seems silly. You want some microwave just add water, or an all or nothing scenario?

Speaking of what would truly help vs 14 cents is allowing the federal gubmint to do what most HMOs and other countries do- negotiate the cost of medicines Big Pharma provides. Currently Medicare/aid is not allowed to negotiate for a better price with Big Pharma. Not free market where I come from, I get to haggle and if the supplier values my business enough he will deal with me.

Now to address the immigrant issue, 'real' Americans not paying their medical bills far outstrips the immigrant fail to pay. Instead of asking a question, give some facts on just who fails to pay how much. Except for a few high immigrant counties most everyplace else it is Born in the USA folks who skip out on the bill.....

sounds like a rant with no facts as usual. Get back to us when you have something useful to debate.
 
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