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Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

If your multibillion dollar business can't survive a 20 cent increase in product prices, your problem isn't ObamaCare.

And if someone can't afford to pay 20 more cents for a Papa John's vile wannabe-pizza, they should just be thankful that they were spared the indignity of consuming that ****.
 
You forgot to mention the cost of your required health insurance premiums increases you MUST pay - meaning your message is foolish because you WILL be paying for indigent care through your increased premiums AND through your property taxes (directly or via rent).

You seem to believe ObamaCare provides indigent care for free at no cost to the government, taxpayers or anyone. ObamaCare is EXTEMELY expensive

No. Nobody thinks this. Nobody thinks health care is free. Stop saying this because it's wrong. Straw man is a fallacy for a good reason.

Joko104: Who do you think should pay for the health care of Papa John's employees?
1) Papa John's customers. (by buying pizza to pay the company which then pays its employees either salary or direct health care benefits)
2) The American Public (via medicaid/medicare/etc)

Actually, I just read the other day that Obamacare addresses part-time employees. If it is found that a company is hiring part-time workers to fill what are basically full-time positions, the 30-hour rule doesn't apply. For instance, though I'm not sure, if WalMart regularly hires part-time clerks to fill positions that are really full-time? Obamacare applies to all of them.

I do think you're ready about pizza places, though. Most of them are probably part-time second jobs for most people. Or students. *Shrug*

Part-time workers are covered proportional to their hours worked, so a company doesn't have to provide full health benefits to someone working 10 hours a week. If I remember right, anyway, been a while since I read the bill and I might be confusing it with one of the earlier versions.
 
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If Papa John's doesn't want to pay health insurance for their employees then they can just pay the $2000 fine which is a heck of lot cheaper. Doh....or should I say dough?


It's ironic that the same people who hate illegal immigration and have driven the lowest paid wage earners out of the country and then complain about paying a living wage or health insurance for the US citizens they do hire. "Let them eat pizza" sounds very familiar.
 
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Papa John's have no problem coping with their employee contributions in universal healthcare Britain. Just sayin'...
 
Papa John's CEO is a fundraiser for Mitt Romney. Just sayin'.
 
If Papa John's doesn't want to pay health insurance for their employees then they can just pay the $2000 fine which is a heck of lot cheaper. Doh....or should I say dough?


It's ironic that the same people who hate illegal immigration and have driven the lowest paid wage earners out of the country and then complain about paying a living wage or health insurance for the US citizens they do hire. "Let them eat pizza" sounds very familiar.

It could be that the price increase is based on paying the fine versus buying HC for the workers.
 
Papa John's have no problem coping with their employee contributions in universal healthcare Britain. Just sayin'...


What is the cost to the employer in Britain, just asking.
 
It could be that the price increase is based on paying the fine versus buying HC for the workers.
Or it could be just another political hack business owner who thinks the world owes him a profit.
 
Papa John's have no problem coping with their employee contributions in universal healthcare Britain. Just sayin'...

our system is pretty bloated and it's rather doubtful that Obamacare will have much positive impact on that.
 
So switch to PapaMurphy's pizza. It's absolutely mouthwatering, and costs less than PapaJohn. Problem solved! :lol:

I agree with MaggieD, .20 cents per pizza equals health care for 16,000+ employees is a bargain. PapaJohn is a whining idiot if this is his biggest problem in life.


No PapaMurphy's near me:( I guess Pizza Hut, Domins and local place will get my biz. One thing I enjoed about Papa Johns is they reward you with free food after you have enough points.
 
Or it could be just another political hack business owner who thinks the world owes him a profit.

He isn't asking for government hand outs the last time I checked.

I think you have the analogy backwards.
 
He isn't asking for government hand outs the last time I checked.

I think you have the analogy backwards.
I think I got it right. The world doesn't owe Papa John's owner a living or a profit. If he wants to stick it to his customers, instead of being a responsible business owner then let his customers decide if they want to pay for the higher cost of his product. If they don't, then they'll go to his competitors, Pizza Hut and Domino's and then Papa John's will lose money...a lot of money. That's just the way it is.
 
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The poor will have the same amount of coverage. The very reason for Obamacare is to insure the poor because they couldn't afford it. IE if they couldn't afford it before and spent their money accordingly what makes you think that they will have more disposable income having free healthcare? Their bills will not change. And I can tell you that as a poor person I did not...sorry, COULD NOT, plan my bills about some possible future where I might need healthcare coverage. I have to deal with the bills I have now. Not yesteryear.

All of which helps explain why I support universal coverage but oppose Obamacare.
 
There will always be an uncertainty about any future for anything. But as the old saying goes "Plan for the worst, hope for the best". But I do understand your point and I agree with it. Hell, I even agree with Obamacare...I just HATE how they went about and did it and the Mandate.

Meh, obviously many people support Obamacare. Reasonable people can disagree, and I could be wrong. I oppose it because I think it does far, far more harm than good -- but I don't deny there are/could be positive aspects to that law.

 
I think I got it right. The world doesn't owe Papa John's owner a living or a profit. If he wants to stick it to his customers, instead of being a responsible business owner then let his customers decide if they want to pay for the higher cost of his product. If they don't, then they'll go to his competitors, Pizza Hut and Domino's and then Papa John's will lose money...a lot of money. That's just the way it is.

Why do you believe that not passing along a rise in labor costs to the consumer is the responsible thing for Papa John's to do? I'm curious.
 
So, $0.14 for 16,000 people to have health care? Sounds like a good deal to me.
 
Why do you believe that not passing along a rise in labor costs to the consumer is the responsible thing for Papa John's to do? I'm curious.
Because if Domino's or Pizza Hut can give their employees the same health care benefits without punishing their customers with higher costs and still serve a better pizza then thats where my money is going to be spent.
 
I think I got it right. The world doesn't owe Papa John's owner a living or a profit. If he wants to stick it to his customers, instead of being a responsible business owner then let his customers decide if they want to pay for the higher cost of his product. If they don't, then they'll go to his competitors, Pizza Hut and Domino's and then Papa John's will lose money...a lot of money. That's just the way it is.

One might argue that "the world" doesn't owe you health care, either, but that's neither here nor there.

Your "reasoning" here, of course, justifies the intrusion of any level of taxation or artificial burden on a business (which you're probably OK with). If it it kills a business, oh well, right?

And, of course, it displays a tremendous naivete in thinking that every single business affected by Obamacare won't also pass the cost onto customers. They all will, every last one, even your precious Domino's and Pizza Hut.

And no one should be surprised OR offended by it -- but many on the left tend to be, what with thinking that all of this burden imposed -- higher taxes, costs of regulation, etc. -- ought to come out of a company's profit and nowhere else. But it doesn't work like that, never will, and it shouldn't.
 
Because if Domino's or Pizza Hut can give their employees the same health care benefits without punishing their customers with higher costs and still serve a better pizza then thats where my money is going to be spent.

I agree with you that it is responsible for Papa John's to conform their prices to those of their competitors, but I don't agree if you are implying that trying to maximize profit is irresponsible for any business.
 
I agree with you that it is responsible for Papa John's to conform their prices to those of their competitors, but I don't agree if you are implying that trying to maximize profit is irresponsible for any business.
Worrying more about maximizing profits for share holders instead of spending on keeping a company competitive is what runs a lot of companies into the ground. Just ask Romney, he's an expert at it.
 
Worrying more about maximizing profits for share holders instead of spending on keeping a company competitive is what runs a lot of companies into the ground.

Nonsense. This is self-contradictory.

Give definitive examples. Don't dodge.
 
Nonsense. This is self-contradictory.

Give definitive examples. Don't dodge.

Stockholder wealth maximization is a long-run goal. Companies, and consequently the stockholders, prosper by man*agement making decisions that will produce long-term earnings increases. Actions that are continually shortsighted often “catch up” with a firm and, as a result, it may find itself unable to compete effectively against its competitors. There has been much criticism in recent years that U.S. firms are too short-run profit-oriented. A prime example is the U.S. auto industry, which has been accused of continuing to build large “gas guzzler” automobiles because they had higher profit margins rather than retooling for smaller, more fuel-efficient models.
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I think I got it right. The world doesn't owe Papa John's owner a living or a profit.
He isn't saying they do. However, the government owes him the ability to run his business with limited interference. You know, those types of principles we were founded on.

If he wants to stick it to his customers, instead of being a responsible business owner then let his customers decide if they want to pay for the higher cost of his product. If they don't, then they'll go to his competitors, Pizza Hut and Domino's and then Papa John's will lose money...a lot of money. That's just the way it is.
See, you have it backwards.... because Papa John's isn't claiming that he is owed anything..........

While the supporters of ObamaCare believe it is their right to have the burden of their health care shouldered by someone other than themselves.
 
Because if Domino's or Pizza Hut can give their employees the same health care benefits without punishing their customers with higher costs and still serve a better pizza then thats where my money is going to be spent.

Pizza Hut I will give you the "Better pizza" label.

Dominos is rubber ****.
 
Stockholder wealth maximization is a long-run goal. Companies, and consequently the stockholders, prosper by man*agement making decisions that will produce long-term earnings increases. Actions that are continually shortsighted often “catch up” with a firm and, as a result, it may find itself unable to compete effectively against its competitors. There has been much criticism in recent years that U.S. firms are too short-run profit-oriented. A prime example is the U.S. auto industry, which has been accused of continuing to build large “gas guzzler” automobiles because they had higher profit margins rather than retooling for smaller, more fuel-efficient models.
Chapter 1

Oddly, in this copy-paste from the teacher's edition of an online textbook (with the Google search terms left highlighted), you didn't actually answer the question.

At best, you posted second-hand "criticism" of some companies.

What you didn't do is provide definitive examples of companies which failed because it chose profit maximization over "competitiveness."
 
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