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Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

UtahBill said:
Dear John,
How the hell can you call yourself a CEO? If costs go up 1% and you don't want to pass on the expense to your customers, do what everybody else does, reduce costs! Do you really think that your customers will notice 1% less pizza in the box?
Or you can do what WalMart does, tell your suppliers to cut their expenses so they can charge you 1% less for the items you buy from them? AND, a final desperate move on your part, take a 1% hit on YOUR income so your employees can have health care insurance! Or did that never occur to you? There is more to being a business man than complaining loud and strong when someone suggests you do something weird like treating your employees nicely.
Oh, John, you are such a Dick !!!!
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Do you have the first clue what their bottom line will end up being and how much this will end up costing them? Its EASY being critical of the owner (they are big enough Im pretty sure they have shareholders to answer to). Its easy to talk about how easy it is to do the 'right' thing...as long as its not YOUR bottom line being discussed.
 
About THE worse way to buy healthcare insurance is as an individual.

Who here, who thinks the lower wage food service folks should pay for their healthcare coverage 100%, buys their insurance 100% on their own? They are not part of a company/group plan?

mine is $2,800 a year per person covered with a 5K deductible. No major health issues, but still very expensive if you are on your own to cover the costs.

$2,800 a year per person is a bit much for someone not making CEO wages,(we do alright so while it is a bit pricey we can afford our insurance)

Seems to me if the CEO's of food service businesses don't want to provide healthcare insurance they should drop the BS feel good, team members/associates and call it what it is- low wage exploited expendable labor, or chumps.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
That's funny, when gas goes up 20 cents people hit the roof. When pizza goes up 20 cents, it's "why complain?" Someone took the hypocritical oath, I see.
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First of all that's 20 cents a gallon and some people fill up once a week at 10-20 gallons. That's $2.00-$4.00 dollars a week extra and gas is a necessecity for work. People can generally give up pizza, they can't give up their cars due to lack of transportation to work.

dontworrybehappy said:
And don't start giving me bull**** about the price difference. 20 cents is 20 cents, and excuses are excuses. I don't know if the left has 20 cents, but they sure have excuses.
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Sorry facts get in the way of your frothing at the mouth. The only ones complaing here are YOU cons and so called Independents afraid to call yourselves conservatives.
 
VanceMack said:
Tell you to start spreading the word to all the rest that dont. You GET that if more people WERE we wouldnt be having these conversations, right?
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Pay me to spread the word or do it your damn self. If you are so upset about this increase YOU spread the word, got it?
 
VanceMack said:
Do you have the first clue what their bottom line will end up being and how much this will end up costing them?
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Do you? Do you work for Papa Johns or are you making assumptions as well that they can't? YOU are the one complaining about a 20 cent increase in pizzas, not me and not Papa Johns.

VanceMack said:
Its EASY being critical of the owner (they are big enough Im pretty sure they have shareholders to answer to). Its easy to talk about how easy it is to do the 'right' thing...as long as its not YOUR bottom line being discussed.
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Seems like you are the one upset, not Papa Johns.
 
TheNextEra said:
Pay me to spread the word or do it your damn self. If you are so upset about this increase YOU spread the word, got it?
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Actually he DID spread the word...

Edit: My bad. You were all for the increase.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Do you? Do you work for Papa Johns or are you making assumptions as well that they can't? YOU are the one complaining about a 20 cent increase in pizzas, not me and not Papa Johns.



Seems like you are the one upset, not Papa Johns.
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Well...we ARE having a discussion on an online bulletin board. The company is being forced to provide health coverage so they will adjust their prices. Seems about right.
 
VanceMack said:
Actually he DID spread the word...which is what got your tiny panties twisted. Remember? As soon as they announced they would be responding to the cost increases forced on them by government by raising their prices (hey...theres a shocker...who saw THAT coming?) you and others couldnt wait to show how upset you were that the big bad corporate guy was not rushing to embrace higher costs. Oh...but YOU provide for yourself...and thats a good thing...so you will just pay more to pay for those that dont. Thats fine.
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John is a whiner.....he wants the public to care about his bottom line while he cares little about his employees. What a moron...
 
UtahBill said:
John is a whiner.....he wants the public to care about his bottom line while he cares little about his employees. What a moron...
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Sure...an easy position to take Bill. After all...what does it cost you?
 
notquiteright said:
About THE worse way to buy healthcare insurance is as an individual.

Who here, who thinks the lower wage food service folks should pay for their healthcare coverage 100%, buys their insurance 100% on their own? They are not part of a company/group plan?

mine is $2,800 a year per person covered with a 5K deductible. No major health issues, but still very expensive if you are on your own to cover the costs.

$2,800 a year per person is a bit much for someone not making CEO wages,(we do alright so while it is a bit pricey we can afford our insurance)

Seems to me if the CEO's of food service businesses don't want to provide healthcare insurance they should drop the BS feel good, team members/associates and call it what it is- low wage exploited expendable labor, or chumps.
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$233.33 per month isn't too bad....depending...is it 100% coverage after meeting the deductible? are there copays?
My son pays a bit over $400 per month to cover his wife and 3 kids. His insurance is free from his employer, a school district, but to add his family to the school district policy is about $1000 per month.
 
With all of those trees in the way, that forest is indeed very hard to see. The point of the Papa John's CEO is that PPACA (ObamaCare) mandates raises in the LABOR costs that MUST BE PAID by ALL employers. That is not opinion, an option or spin; that is exactly what PPACA was designed to do. Medical care in the U.S. is about 18% of the GDP, pretending that paying AT MOST 9.5% of everyone's salary will cover that cost is a JOKE, or a mathematical impossibility. Medical care insurance costs are not going DOWN under PPACA they are going UP, that must be paid by employers as they are RESTRICTED by law from "overcharging" their employees for medical care insurance, in other words, the employer must eat MOST of the cost increase.

Look at what the EMPLOYERS must pay under PPACA to meet the legal minimums:

Average Cost of U.S. Health Coverage per Employee is Expected to Cross... -- LINCOLNSHIRE, Ill., Oct. 3, 2011 /PRNewswire/ --

http://ehbs.kff.org/pdf/8226.pdf

Average Employer Healthcare Costs Exceed $6,800, New Survey Reports

Employer Health Benefits 2011 Annual Survey | Section 1: Cost of Health Insurance

Employer Costs for Employee Compensation news release text
 
VanceMack said:
Sure...an easy position to take Bill. After all...what does it cost you?
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I have been around long enough to know that there are 3 absolutes in life, not 2.....
There is death and taxes, and the cost of living going up...

What does it cost me? not much, I have coupons....:2razz:
 
VanceMack said:
Edit: My bad. You were all for the increase.
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I'm not for the increase, so stop lying. I simply don't care that the price of pizza may go up 20 cents. I'd rather it didn't, but I'm not upset it is.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
With all of those trees in the way, that forest is indeed very hard to see. The point of the Papa John's CEO is that PPACA (ObamaCare) mandates raises in the LABOR costs that MUST BE PAID by ALL employers. That is not opinion, an option or spin; that is exactly what PPACA was designed to do. Medical care in the U.S. is about 18% of the GDP, pretending that paying AT MOST 9.5% of everyone's salary will cover that cost is a JOKE, or a mathematical impossibility. Medical care insurance costs are not going DOWN under PPACA they are going UP, that must be paid by employers as they are RESTRICTED by law from "overcharging" their employees for medical care insurance, in other words, the employer must eat MOST of the cost increase.

Look at what the EMPLOYERS must pay under PPACA to meet the legal minimums:

Average Cost of U.S. Health Coverage per Employee is Expected to Cross... -- LINCOLNSHIRE, Ill., Oct. 3, 2011 /PRNewswire/ --

http://ehbs.kff.org/pdf/8226.pdf

Average Employer Healthcare Costs Exceed $6,800, New Survey Reports

Employer Health Benefits 2011 Annual Survey | Section 1: Cost of Health Insurance

Employer Costs for Employee Compensation news release text
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and employers will do what they always do, cut costs elsewhere. Don't plan on any decent pay raises for the next decade or 2....
I am retired for 8 years now, since age 58....and saw this coming back then. Salaries are often THE biggest expense, and not too hard to trim when they really want to cut costs....
 
VanceMack said:
Well...we ARE having a discussion on an online bulletin board. The company is being forced to provide health coverage so they will adjust their prices. Seems about right.
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Yes it does and you are all upset over it.
 
UtahBill said:
I have been around long enough to know that there are 3 absolutes in life, not 2.....
There is death and taxes, and the cost of living going up...

What does it cost me? not much, I have coupons....:2razz:
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Or better yet...just dont shop there! That will really show them.

I will bet what this policy will mean is that instead of them (or Little Caesars, or any of the fast food places) hiring 20 people they will scale back their employees by about 25%. Sure...they will have less employees but they will cover the ones they keep.
 
VanceMack said:
Sure...an easy position to take Bill. After all...what does it cost you?
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If he buys Papa Johns, it will cost him an extra 20 cents per pizza. Again, big deal in comparison to rising costs in gas. I don't see you getting all butt hurt over the rise in oil prices though, why pizza?
 
Thats apples and oranges, GDP and percent of wages are not a simple comparison.

Rather than abandon the attempt to fix our run away healthcare problem, we should take the next step. Other countries negotiate drug costs with Big Pharma for Gubmint programs like our Medicaid/care. Our's is prohibited from such cost curbing measures.

With any luck we are entering an era where healthcare is finally being addressed without all the drama.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Thanks to ObamaCare, your favorite pizzeria might be going out of business.
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Papa John's isn't likely to go out of business any time soon because they raised their prices less than a quarter a pie.
dontworrybehappy said:
That's assuming the same number of people order pizza.
With price increases come volume decreases.
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Actually it assumes that the number of people who order a $20.25 pie will be 99.9875% of the people who ordered a $20.00 pie.

And since all pizza places are subject to the same law, it seems that all pizzas should end up going up in price by about the same amount.

I have real doubts that this will impact sales volume.
 
VanceMack said:
Or better yet...just dont shop there! That will really show them.

I will bet what this policy will mean is that instead of them (or Little Caesars, or any of the fast food places) hiring 20 people they will scale back their employees by about 25%. Sure...they will have less employees but they will cover the ones they keep.
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then he must have had too many employees to start with....again, even a poor businessman knows that costs tend to go up, surely John knows this as well...
 
johnny_rebson said:
Thanks to ObamaCare, your favorite pizzeria might be going out of business.
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It's not going out of business, it's simply charging more for pizza because they found a convenient excuse for doing so. Let's try not to use such stupid statements in the future.
 
TheNextEra said:
I'm not for the increase, so stop lying. I simply don't care that the price of pizza may go up 20 cents. I'd rather it didn't, but I'm not upset it is.
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Im not upset that it goes up...Im all for it. Businesses always have and always will press the cost for more government regulation onto the customer. Its the way it works. Upset? nah...not upset. Hell...I said several months ago that the best thing the wealthy business owners could do in this country would be across the board just quit. I still believe that. Papa John should acknowledge he is an evil corporate guy and close up shop. The Waltons...same thing. They should stop 'exploiting' the country and the workers and just shut everything down.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yep, you better hold off getting that pizza then for 20 cents more. I mean, OMG, having to get ORDER OUT pizza for 20 cents more. What's next? The dollar menu at McDonalds goes up to $1.10. It's Armageddon I tell you, the END OF THE WORLD. AHHHHHHHHHHHH

All of this because of POSSIBLE increases, not definite ones.
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I think your missed the point, it's not just 20 cents more, it's 20 cents or more on everything you buy. Further to the point, as I said, Obama said health care cost would go down, never happened, but worse yet everything else is going up. So because of Obamacare, the cost of health care is going up, and prices for goods and services are going up. Now the rich could care less, but Obama's favored middle class is paying more for everything, and be taxed (punished) is they don't comply with his demands. Obamacare = Rising Cost, this is nothing new, the Pub's predicted this day one.
 
UtahBill said:
then he must have had too many employees to start with....again, even a poor businessman knows that costs tend to go up, surely John knows this as well...
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This isnt a matter of the cost of pepperoni going up. This is a requirement to provide insurance. Just a tiny bit more expensive...and BTW...he DOES know that costs go up, and when costs go up they adjust their prices up...right? Isnt that what you blasted him for?
 
TheNextEra said:
If he buys Papa Johns, it will cost him an extra 20 cents per pizza. Again, big deal in comparison to rising costs in gas. I don't see you getting all butt hurt over the rise in oil prices though, why pizza?
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This is just the beginning. You get that...right? EVERYONES costs are going to go up...surely you see that?
 
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