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'You owe us $6 bln for 9/11' - US to Iran, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah & Taliban

24107 said:
Tom Andrews explains how Iran helped make the US' initial invasion of Afghanistan successful
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Thats good, but HOW did they help us? I'm seeing everywhere that they condemned the attacks, they didn't like them, yada yada. But HOW did they help us? Did they give us intel, allow us to use their airfields, what did they do?
 
It will take a bit of reading but here are a couple of links for you on the question: Did Iran aid the US in Afghanistan?

An American Foreign Policy paper
The most propitious time for reconciliation in the past 30 years was after 9-11 when Iran telegraphed in many ways its desire to improve relations and contributed to the U.S. victory in Afghanistan in both political and military terms . . . We could have made an ally of Iran instead of intensifying its enmity.
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In October 2001, as the United States was just beginning its military operations in Afghanistan, State Department and NSC officials began meeting secretly with Iranian diplomats in Paris and Geneva, under the sponsorship of Lakhdar Brahimi, head of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan. Leverett says these discussions focused on “how to effectively unseat the Taliban and once the Taliban was gone, how to stand up an Afghan government.”

It was thanks to the Northern Alliance Afghan troops, which were supported primarily by the Iranians, that the Taliban was driven out of Kabul in mid-November.
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According to Iranian diplomatic sources, members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC, Sipah-i Pasdaran) cooperated with the CIA and U.S. Special Operations Forces in supplying and funding the commanders of the Northern Alliance.
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MarineTpartier said:
Thats good, but HOW did they help us? I'm seeing everywhere that they condemned the attacks, they didn't like them, yada yada. But HOW did they help us? Did they give us intel, allow us to use their airfields, what did they do?
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I will have to find that article, which stated the Iranian's had actual boot's on the ground in Afghanistan. Around that time the Taliban kidnapped and executed a number of Iranian national's which enraged Tehran. Taliban ofcourse are Sunni and Iran is shia.
 
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Somerville said:
It will take a bit of reading but here are a couple of links for you on the question: Did Iran aid the US in Afghanistan?

An American Foreign Policy paper
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Very interesting. Thanks for bringing this up. I am going to research it more. Wow, President Bush punted that one in the stands didn't he? Maybe there was proof they were double crossing us. I am going to look into that.
 
Helix said:
this is about the last thing that we need to be doing right now.

can we please just be a country again? fix roads, build stuff, that sort of thing?
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Absolutely not. We have to perpetuate conflict for eternity. What's another war we can't afford? It's not like we're economically and industrially crippled, lost our credit rating, and have a military that's stretched out far beyond its means...
 
MarineTpartier said:
Very interesting. Thanks for bringing this up. I am going to research it more. Wow, President Bush punted that one in the stands didn't he? Maybe there was proof they were double crossing us. I am going to look into that.
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Bush simply made a really really stupid mistake. Iran and the U.S. weren't about to become best friends, but there was no good reason not to focus on our mutual enemy. Khatami was a considerably more reasonable sort of guy than Ahmadinejad. We couldn't have solved Israel or all the problems with past history, but it would have been possible to avoid the nuclear situation we now find ourselves in. The axis of evil speech was probably the second dumbest foreign policy mistake of the decade.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Yeah diplomacy's cheaper and cleaner, but if it doesn't work, then what?
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So if another country says "hey actually we dont wanna sell you cheap oil or let your corporations come into our country" the only option is to invade them?




I know. Sad.
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Lives are more valuable than a natural resource.


I'm not pro-war, but I do tell it like it is. This **** isn't about terrorism. If we stay peaceful and want to employ our own citizens and all that other fantastic sounding ****, hey great. But it comes with economic consequences that we have to be realistic about. We can't grab foreign oil, then everything gets more expensive for us and we all get a little bit poorer (living standards-wise). Same happens if we force domestic employment and wage inflation. **** gets more expensive and we all feel a bit poorer. Double-edged swords, people. Acknowledge 'em. Embrace 'em.
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No its not.
 
American said:
Your heros the USSR also had a military industrial complex, just remember that.
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USSR my "heros"? :lamo:lamo:lamo

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TheDemSocialist said:
Hmmm..
So we gotta invade countries, kill people, for natural resources. I mean **** diplomacy! Lets just bomb the **** out of people, take all their natural resources and leave. I mean i really dont give a **** about peoples lives or our own soldier lives because oil is more important than human lives.
I mean that to me doesnt seem very "libertarian" of you. Breaking a countries national sovereignty because of a resource beneath the ground.
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We aren't fighting any wars for oil. Relax!
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So if another country says "hey actually we dont wanna sell you cheap oil or let your corporations come into our country" the only option is to invade them?





Lives are more valuable than a natural resource.



No its not.
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We fight wars for oil, because we don't drill enough of our own oil. There is plenty of oil in the US. We keep finding more. Over just the past few years we have found new oil in North Dakota, Arkansas, and Southern Kansas. We have the oil in Anwr that we aren't drilling. We could do more off shore drilling, though I do think we need to work on our disaster response for off shore oil leaks. Our response to the one in the gulf was pathetic. Everyone kept debating and looking for answers on what to do. Don't you think if we spent several years planning to drill there, that we should have spent some of that time coming up with a plan in case something went wrong? We shouldn't have had to contemplate what to do, we should have already known what to do. Or drilled somewhere else.
 
lordnate said:
We fight wars for oil, because we don't drill enough of our own oil. There is plenty of oil in the US. We keep finding more. Over just the past few years we have found new oil in North Dakota, Arkansas, and Southern Kansas. We have the oil in Anwr that we aren't drilling. We could do more off shore drilling, though I do think we need to work on our disaster response for off shore oil leaks. Our response to the one in the gulf was pathetic. Everyone kept debating and looking for answers on what to do. Don't you think if we spent several years planning to drill there, that we should have spent some of that time coming up with a plan in case something went wrong? We shouldn't have had to contemplate what to do, we should have already known what to do. Or drilled somewhere else.
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So the plan that we came up with is to invade foreign countreis..
 
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