Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks Under

lizzie · Jul 19, 2012

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Catawba said:
Link?...............

I'm guessing you missed Bernanke in the news this morning.

TurtleDude · Jul 19, 2012

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Catawba said:
That ought to really gin up the working class to continue the tax cuts for the wealthy!!! This is going to be such a fun election!

your beloved working class are nothing more than pawns for people like Obama. They only get upset when their puppet masters tell them to.

if your side loses can we expect you to blow your brains out? You sure seem to have more personal stake in the parasite party winning than any other poster on this board

TurtleDude · Jul 19, 2012

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Dickieboy said:
I don't understand. The CBO stated the tax increases will cause recession in early next year. Now Ernst n Young have reported the same. Is it your arguement that the 'working class' WANTS another recession?

their masters want to buy their votes by appealing to class envy. most leftwing tax schemes are not designed to help anyone but to hurt people who are demonized by the masters

Catawba · Jul 19, 2012

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lizzie said:
I'm guessing you missed Bernanke in the news this morning.

Is this the same Bernanke that conservatives have railed against for the last 3 and 1/2 years as not knowing his ass from a hole in the ground?

upsideguy · Jul 19, 2012

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jerry7 said:
The US has spent 15 trillion dollars since LBJ launched the war on poverty in 1964. And the situation has only gotten worse.

.... another argument for more tax cuts for the rich.

Oh wait, contrary to the ill-informed post of above, the poverty rate actually decreased since the war on poverty began under Johnson, but then we had to go and elect Reagan, who decided to start the war on the middle class. Of course, there was some respite under Clinton, but then we had to go and elect GWBush and Katie Bar the Door.

lizzie · Jul 19, 2012

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Catawba said:
Is this the same Bernanke that conservatives have railed against for the last 3 and 1/2 years as not knowing his ass from a hole in the ground?

I don't know, but that had nothing to do with my query. Did you miss Bernanke and what he was saying about taxes and the economy, or did you not?

Catawba · Jul 19, 2012

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lizzie said:
I don't know, but that had nothing to do with my query. Did you miss Bernanke and what he was saying about taxes and the economy, or did you not?

Do you mean where "He reiterated his view that Congress should take steps to stimulate economic growth in the near term but quickly formulate a plan to shave the $15 trillion national debt over the long term. "The timing should be adjusted to allow the recovery little bit of space to continue," he said."
Bernanke offers downbeat view of economy, but no action

I am sure his warning not to cut spending in the near term was well received by the GOP no doubt?

DA60 · Jul 19, 2012

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Catawba said:
Nope, its only slightly higher, and the rate of growth was slashed in the last 3 and 1/2 years.

National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush

'The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama's three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.
The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.'

National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

So...Obama increasing the debt in 3.17 years more then GWB did in 8 years is your idea of Obama increasing the debt 'only slightly'?

Noted.

And I will ask you again about food stamps.

You typed food stamp usage went up under Obama: 'Only slightly from the Bush years when the huge increase occurred.'

Yet:

'When President Bush took office in 2001, there were 17.3 million people on food stamps. During his last full year in office, 2008, there were 28.2 million on food stamps -- an increase of 10.9 million – or a 63 percent increase over an 8-year period.

But from the last full year of Bush’s presidency (2008) through 2011, just three years into President Obama’s presidency, the number of people on food stamps increased 16.5 million -- going from 28.2 million to 44.7 million -- an increase of 59 percent in just a 3-year period.'

44.7 Million Americans Now on Food Stamps -- More than at Any Time Under Bush | CNSNews.com

So, under Obama, food stamp usage has already gone up almost as much in only 3 1/2 years then it did in GWB's entire 8 year run...and yet you say it has gone up only slightly?

Okaaaaaaaaay.

DA60 · Jul 19, 2012

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Catawba said:
By almost every measure, Obama has made improvements in the situation he inherited.

To sum up, since Obama took office in January, 2009:

- the unemployment rate has gone up
- the workforce participation rate has gone down (as reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics)
- those on food stamps have gone up over 40%
- the price of the average house has gone down
- the national debt has gone up more since Obama took over then under GW Bush's entire 8 year run

Are ANY of these highlighted statements untrue, Catawba...YES OR NO?

Catawba · Jul 19, 2012

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DA60 said:
National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush

'The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama's three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.
The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.'

National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

So...Obama increasing the debt in 3.17 years more then GWB did in 8 years is your idea of Obama increasing the debt 'only slightly'?

Noted.

As previously documented -

"Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%."

And I will ask you again about food stamps.

You typed food stamp usage went up under Obama: 'Only slightly from the Bush years when the huge increase occurred.'

Yet:

'When President Bush took office in 2001, there were 17.3 million people on food stamps. During his last full year in office, 2008, there were 28.2 million on food stamps -- an increase of 10.9 million – or a 63 percent increase over an 8-year period.

But from the last full year of Bush’s presidency (2008) through 2011, just three years into President Obama’s presidency, the number of people on food stamps increased 16.5 million -- going from 28.2 million to 44.7 million -- an increase of 59 percent in just a 3-year period.'

The increase under Obama was due to the Bush Recession, what was the even greater increase under Bush due to?

DA60 · Jul 19, 2012

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Catawba said:
As previously documented -..."

Irrelevant to my point.

I am talking about debt - not the deficit.

I guess you refuse to acknowledge the national debt increase was greater under Obama's 3.17 years then under GWB's 8 years.

Noted.

The increase under Obama was due to the Bush Recession, what was the even greater increase under Bush due to?

You typed:

'By almost every measure, Obama has made improvements in the situation he inherited.'

By your own words...the specific situations mentioned above have gotten worse since Obama took over....not improved.

You did not say 'even though things have gotten worse, they are Bush's responsibility'.

You said 'by almost every measure Obama has made improvements'.

Well, these are standard measurements used BY THE GOVERNMENT to measure certain aspects of the economy/government financial situation (unemployment, food stamps, national debt, house prices) - and every one that I have mentioned has gotten worse, not improved under Obama.

Just face it - your statement was inaccurate.

Denying plain facts is just silly.

RGacky3 · Jul 20, 2012

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And this in the richest country in the world ... We can do better than Capitalism.

RGacky3 · Jul 20, 2012

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The unions are at fault for ruining America.

There are unions that are still demanding outrageous wages. They have given us no choice but to send American jobs overseas.

Funny, that the outsourcing happened in the 80s AFTER the Unions were crushed.

RGacky3 · Jul 20, 2012

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BTW, I LOVE how libertarians blame the individuals for these statistics ....

Suddenly Americans have just gotten lazier ... and it just so happened to happen at the same time that capitalism went into crisis .... Yet those in the social democratic countries with much less unemployment I guess people are just more industrious ...

Did everyone suddenly just get stupid??? Is that what happened??? Did everyone SUDDENLY happen to be irresposible??? DId they all happen to do that at the EXACT time the economic conditions changed???

Meathead · Jul 20, 2012

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RGacky3 said:
BTW, I LOVE how libertarians blame the individuals for these statistics ....

Suddenly Americans have just gotten lazier ... and it just so happened to happen at the same time that capitalism went into crisis .... Yet those in the social democratic countries with much less unemployment I guess people are just more industrious ...

Did everyone suddenly just get stupid??? Is that what happened??? Did everyone SUDDENLY happen to be irresposible??? DId they all happen to do that at the EXACT time the economic conditions changed???

No indeed. It started with the New Deal, then we got the Great Society and now we have Obama. It is a trend that started and has continued under Democrat auspice culminating in the demand for lots of free stuff from the nanny state. Much of it was well-intended but short-sighted in that it invariably evolved into a vast permanent, parasitic and lethargic underclass. It was many things, but certainly not sudden.

PeteEU · Jul 20, 2012

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Meathead said:
No indeed. It started with the New Deal, then we got the Great Society and now we have Obama. It is a trend that started and has continued under Democrat auspice culminating in the demand for lots of free stuff from the nanny state. Much of it was well-intended but short-sighted in that it invariably evolved into a vast permanent, parasitic and lethargic underclass. It was many things, but certainly not sudden.

LOL, read a history book.. and read about "the underclass" before the New Deal.

Meathead · Jul 20, 2012

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PeteEU said:
LOL, read a history book.. and read about "the underclass" before the New Deal.

You're joking, right?! (just to help you out there PeteEU in veiw of your limitations, it's called sarcasm)

Henrin · Jul 20, 2012

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RGacky3 said:
And this in the richest country in the world ... We can do better than Capitalism.

We don't practice capitalism. Do you even know what you are waging against right now?

RGacky3 · Jul 20, 2012

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Meathead said:
No indeed. It started with the New Deal, then we got the Great Society and now we have Obama. It is a trend that started and has continued under Democrat auspice culminating in the demand for lots of free stuff from the nanny state. Much of it was well-intended but short-sighted in that it invariably evolved into a vast permanent, parasitic and lethargic underclass. It was many things, but certainly not sudden.

After the New Deal and the Great Society, we had the most prosperous time in Americna history ... Then we had the Reagen Revolution, followed by the Neoliberalism of Clinton, whose legacy is being continued by both Bush and Obama, which the result of we see now.

Henrin said:
We don't practice capitalism. Do you even know what you are waging against right now?

Most of the economy is run by private, for profit capitalist corporations with the capitalist mode of production (worker/capitalist) .... So yeah.

UtahBill · Jul 20, 2012

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Higgins86 said:
any proof of this?

my brother, my neighbor with a motorhome, Toyota Avalon, and nice home, all paid for in cash, but goes to get the free commodities, my sister who scams churches for spending money, telling them she needs financial assistance while she actually lives with her grown child, collecting SS, and on medicare.
Then there are some people I know who have all the gadgets, go out to eat a lot, the wife got cosmetic suregery using her credit card, but they "can't afford" medical insurance on their children....

Henrin · Jul 20, 2012

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RGacky3 said:
Most of the economy is run by private, for profit capitalist corporations with the capitalist mode of production (worker/capitalist) .... So yeah.

Most is not all. Your failure is written for all to see. We practice a planned economy my friend. We nationalize industries we find are unfair or unfit for the market to run and dictate all sorts of actions to business so that some sort of unfairness that they see in the capitalist model is resolved.The failure of course what holds our system together is not their little intervention, but the capitalist system underlining workings. Their failure is their own, but that is the belief.

UtahBill · Jul 20, 2012

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TurtleDude said:
your beloved working class are nothing more than pawns for people like Obama. They only get upset when their puppet masters tell them to.

if your side loses can we expect you to blow your brains out? You sure seem to have more personal stake in the parasite party winning than any other poster on this board

when you use terms like parasite party, you identify yourself as something less than human...

lpast · Jul 20, 2012

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Hatuey said:
Hahahaha what nonsense. I guess you've never heard of things like protein, sugars, carbohydrates and fibre as contributing factors to gain weight. "Counting calories" to keep track of your weight is like claiming you know how to fly a plane cause you've looked at the sky once or twice. It's stupid at best and you'll be laughed out of any respectable gym.

Lizzie is right...calories in calories out...and a nutrition professor just proved that...he went on a 10 week, donut and twinkie diet...thats all he ate but he only ate so many calories per day of the sweets and he lost 30 lbs in 10 weeks...I posted the entire diet somewhere in the food thread.

Hatuey I dont care if your on the atkins diet and only eat protein...if you take in 3000 calories a day in protein and only expend 2500 calories total...you will gain weight...if you eat 1000 calories of twinkies an burn 2000 calories a day you lose weight...some foods like protein satiate your hunger with less and for longer periods of time and that helps you lose weight faster...but its still cals in...cals out

lizzie · Jul 20, 2012

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Hatuey said:
Hahahaha what nonsense. I guess you've never heard of things like protein, sugars, carbohydrates and fibre as contributing factors to gain weight. "Counting calories" to keep track of your weight is like claiming you know how to fly a plane cause you've looked at the sky once or twice. It's stupid at best and you'll be laughed out of any respectable gym.

You have no idea how mistaken you are. Proteins and sugars both have 5 calories per gram. Fats have 9 calories per gram. It doesn't matter what percentage of your diet is made up of each. The total caloric intake, compared to the total caloric output, both from activity, and from passive metabolism, determines relative weight loss and gain. This has been the case since humankind existed.

Henrin · Jul 20, 2012

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UtahBill said:
when you use terms like parasite party, you identify yourself as something less than human...

Does he? You ladies have been sheep for a 100+ years and have brought completely into their fairness arguments that are merely ways to make you sheep.

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