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wrong: that attitude of most "far righters" (far right being anyone who tires of too many people sucking on the public teat) is that the safety net should not encourage and increase dependency and that the Dem party should not use it to create more dem beholden voters is deleterious to the nation and btw its the "far right" that tends to be far bigger contributors to private charity


That is not how most of you present yourselves on here...you present that you dont give a chit about anyone else and everything belongs to you
The far right contribute to charities for ONE REASON tax deductions...end their tax deductions and see how fast their donations cease lol....what a treat reading your posts turtle....
 
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You would be flat wrong. I know how to count- it's a pretty simple concept. More calories in than energy consumed= weight gain. Less calories in than consumed= weight loss. No magic formula, not difficult to figure out.

Hahahaha what nonsense. I guess you've never heard of things like protein, sugars, carbohydrates and fibre as contributing factors to gain weight. "Counting calories" to keep track of your weight is like claiming you know how to fly a plane cause you've looked at the sky once or twice. It's stupid at best and you'll be laughed out of any respectable gym.
 
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Ahh so you take the most extreme example and compare it to western industrial society, and of course a person living on the streets of LA is not poor! He can after all dumpster dive for discarded Big Macs so he cant be poor because he is not starving, and starvation is of course the only real way to define poverty right?! Talk about utterly idiotic.
it was your definition. And again utter idiocy. You were the one who compared poverty to relative wealth. In an extremely wealthy country, might not relativity become pointless?

You were always a lightweight.
 
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Hahahaha what nonsense. I guess you've never heard of things like protein, sugars, carbohydrates and fibre as contributing factors to gain weight. "Counting calories" to keep track of your weight is like claiming you know how to fly a plane cause you've looked at the sky once or twice. It's stupid at best and you'll be laughed out of any respectable gym.

Well, not only are you unnecessarily rude - but you are also WRONG.

Calories are calories.

Sure, different things can increase your metabolism or reduce it to some extent.

But the bottom line is that roughly 3500 calories equals one pound of fat.

If you are 10 pounds over weight and your metabolism and muscle mass (because muscles burn fat faster - even at rest) remain relatively constant and if the amount of calories in that state that you require during your normal activities to maintain your weight is, say 3200 calories (as mine is for example);
then if you consume 2200 calories per day (without any extra exercise) - then you WILL drop one pound every 3 1/2 days OR 2 pounds per week.

And except for some slight differences - it does not matter what you eat...if the total adds up to 2200 calories and all other factors remains the same, you WILL lose 2 pounds (give or take a few ounces) per week...assuming no other factors like illnesses or extreme diets (like fasting).

I don't just think that - I KNOW it.

And I bet you I have spent WAY more time in gyms and bodybuilding then you ever have.
 
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That is not how most of you present yourselves on here...you present that you dont give a chit about anyone else and everything belongs to you

actually that's not how we present ourselves, as Turtle points out. In fact, People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

The far right contribute to charities for ONE REASON tax deductions...end their tax deductions and see how fast their donations cease lol....what a treat reading your posts turtle....

Except that the majority of the right who donate more to charity see no added tax benefit, as they take the standard deduction. In fact, given that liberal households make more money than conservative ones, they should be the ones (under this standard) giving more money, as the are the ones more likely to actually see any tax benefit.

And what a foolish argument - someone spends 10,000 in order to save 3,500 on their tax bill? And yet this person who is so horrible at math is able to gain and retain significant wealth?

And what tax deduction do conservatives see for also volunteering more of our time, and donating more of our blood?

:roll:
 
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What an asinine thing to say.

Why, because there are other poor people around? You hate those people or something?
 
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Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks Under The Poverty Line

Number of Americans living in poverty highest since last 52 years under President Obama.

Under President Obama eh? From your own article:

"Between 2009 and 2010, the number of people living in poverty rose by 2.6 million, from 43.6 to 46.2 million people, according to the report." That's a 1.6% increase. So it was okie dokie having 43.6 million people living in poverty under Bush, but its an outrage that it has increased by 1.6%?

And what is the GOP plan to deal with this...........cutting assistance programs to those living in poverty to provide more spending on the military and even bigger tax cuts for the wealthy? That should help! :cool:
 
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Under President Obama eh? From your own article:

"Between 2009 and 2010, the number of people living in poverty rose by 2.6 million, from 43.6 to 46.2 million people, according to the report." That's a 1.6% increase. So it was okie dokie having 43.6 million people living in poverty under Bush, but its an outrage that it has increased by 1.6%?
A rise of 2.6 million or a 1.6% in one year is not a good showing. Under the rest of Obama's administration the situation has certainly not improved. If he gets 4 more years it'll rise to about a 1/3 of the population but it will still be Bush's fault.

Such tripe!
 
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A rise of 2.6 million or a 1.6% in one year is not a good showing. Under the rest of Obama's administration the situation has certainly not improved. If he gets 4 more years it'll rise to about a 1/3 of the population but it will still be Bush's fault.

Such tripe!

So your complaint is that Obama hasn't cleaned up Bush's mess fast enough to suit you? The record wealth inequality and poverty caused by 30 years of supply side economics and financial deregulation cannot be fixed in just a few years, or by a continuation of the same policies that created them.

Though if you think you can sell that to the working class in this country, be my guest!
 
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A rise of 2.6 million or a 1.6% in one year is not a good showing. Under the rest of Obama's administration the situation has certainly not improved. If he gets 4 more years it'll rise to about a 1/3 of the population but it will still be Bush's fault.

Such tripe!

No it aint, but the US was also loosing 700k jobs a month when Obama took over... joblessness increases poverty.. And who was responsible for the crisis.. presidential wise that is..
 
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So your complaint is that Obama hasn't cleaned up Bush's mess fast enough to suit you? The record wealth inequality and poverty caused by 30 years of supply side economics and financial deregulation cannot be fixed in just a few years, or by a continuation of the same policies that created them.

Though if you think you can sell that to the working class in this country, be my guest!
No, my complaint is that the US will not be able to clean up Obama's mess. Its like taking someone's position, spending unprecedented resources then telling your boss it's still your predecessors fault 4 years on. You might get away with it if your boss is as stupid or partisan as some of the commentators on this thread, which is actually Obama's only hope.
 
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No, my complaint is that the US will not be able to clean up Obama's mess. Its like taking someone's position, spending unprecedented resources then telling your boss it's still your predecessors fault 4 years on. You might get away with it if your boss is as stupid or partisan as some of the commentators on this thread, which is actually Obama's only hope.

I do not know what you are referring to. By almost every measure, Obama has made improvements in the situation he inherited. Most people understand that you can't fix problems 30 years in the making in just 3 and 1/2 years.
 
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I do not know what you are referring to. By almost every measure, Obama has made improvements in the situation he inherited. Most people understand that you can't fix problems 30 years in the making in just 3 and 1/2 years.
I do not doubt that you honestly believe that, but it is still a pathetically weak argument.
 
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I do not know what you are referring to. By almost every measure, Obama has made improvements in the situation he inherited...

Sure, except that:

- the unemployment rate is worse
- the the workforce participation rate is down (at least half of that through workers simply giving up looking for full time work - so if you use the Dec. '08 participation rate, the unemployment rate is really over 9.7%)
- food stamp usage is up
- the average house price is down
- the national debt is WAY up
 
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Sure, except that:

- the unemployment rate is worse


The unemployment rate was 9.5% at the end of the Bush Recession. It was at 8.2% in June of this year.


- the the workforce participation rate is down (at least half of that through workers simply giving up looking for full time work - so if you use the Dec. '08 participation rate, the unemployment rate is really over 9.7%)

Unemployment has not been figured that way for decades.


- food stamp usage is up

Only slightly from the Bush years when the huge increase occurred.


- the average house price is down

House prices continue steady climb

- the national debt is WAY up

Wrong again!

"Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.

There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear."

Obama spending binge never happened - MarketWatch
 
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FIRST: You typed: 'By almost every measure, Obama has made improvements in the situation he inherited...'

Obama 'inherited the situation' in January, 2009.


The unemployment rate was 9.5% at the end of the Bush Recession. It was at 8.2% in June of this year.
The last full month of G.W.B.'s Presidency, the unemployment rate was 7.8%.

Today it is 8.2%

Only slightly from the Bush years when the huge increase occurred.

http://static.seekingalpha.com/uplo...439867306988-The-Financial-Lexicon_origin.png

Food Stamp Usage Continues To Set Records - Seeking Alpha


You call a 40% increase 'only slightly'?

Okaaaaaay.



And what was the average housing price in America during the last 1/4 of GWB's Presidency?

$276,600

And what is it today?

$257,600 (as of Q3 2011)

So average prices are down - so there is no 'improvements in the situation he (Obama) inherited' in this case.

US: Average Price of Houses Actually Sold



Wrong again!

Are you serious?

US Federal Debt by Year 2007_2017 - Charts Tables History

Are you actually saying that the national debt is not larger now then in January 2009?

Yes or no, please?


So, since Obama took over - the unemployment rate is worse, the participation rate is worse (mostly due to people giving up looking for full time employment), the average housing price is worse, food stamp usage is worse and the national debt is much worse.

Please show me unbiased, factual proof that ANY of these statements are untrue?



For the record - I think both G.W.B. AND Obama sucked as POTUS's.
 
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This is what I have taken from this thread.

1. Poor people are in fact not poor because they own some luxury goods
2. Being poor is your own fault
3. Poor people who are fat have only themselves to blame ( not the billion dollar fast food industry that targets them or the supermarkets who have been cutting corners for years)
4. "Sure your struggling to feed your family and your working 2 min wage jobs but have you seen those ****ers in Africa? Your lucky"
5. Obama is to blame


Good talk guys....
 
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FIRST: You typed: 'By almost every measure, Obama has made improvements in the situation he inherited...'

Obama 'inherited the situation' in January, 2009.


The last full month of G.W.B.'s Presidency, the unemployment rate was 7.8%.

Today it is 8.2%


Unfortunately, Bush's Great Recession did not magically end when he left office.


Food Stamp Usage Continues To Set Records - Seeking Alpha

And we see who's policies started that upward trend:

foodstamps.jpg


People on Food Stamps Jumped 14.7% in a Year | The Economic Populist



And what was the average housing price in America during the last 1/4 of GWB's Presidency?

$276,600

And what is it today?

$257,600 (as of Q3 2011)

So average prices are down - so there is no 'improvements in the situation he (Obama) inherited' in this case.

Housing prices were inflated beyond their value. That bubble burst. Housing prices will never return to that level. However, as I documented above, housing prices continue to go up.






Are you serious?

Definitely!!!



Are you actually saying that the national debt is not larger now then in January 2009?

Yes or no, please?

No, what I said was the rate of debt growth slowed significantly under the President, as these facts referenced above clearly show:

"Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.

There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear."
 
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No, what I said was the rate of debt growth slowed significantly under the President, as these facts referenced above clearly show:

You still have not answered my question.

You said that I was wrong when I typed that the national debt has gone up under Obama.

Now once again - has the national debt gone up since Obama took over?

Yes or no?





And once again:

So, since Obama took over - the unemployment rate is worse, the participation rate is worse (mostly due to people giving up looking for full time employment), the average housing price is worse, food stamp usage is worse and the national debt is much worse.

Please show me unbiased, factual proof that ANY of these statements are untrue?
 
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You still have not answered my question.

You said that I was wrong when I typed that the national debt has gone up under Obama.

Yes, I did. What I've documented is that it has only increased slightly under the president vs the record debt growth under Bush.





And once again:

So, since Obama took over - the unemployment rate is worse,

Only to those that think the Great Recession magically ended when Bush left office. For the rest of us, the recession ended in June 2009, when the unemployment rate was 9.5%.

the participation rate is worse (mostly due to people giving up looking for full time employment),

Only by using fuzzy math, which is why they haven't used that method for decades.


the average housing price is worse,


That's what happens when you create a housing bubble built on junk securities, it bursts! Doesn't change the fact that housing prices continue to go up as I've documented.

food stamp usage is worse

Due to 30 years of supply side economics and financial deregulation.


and the national debt is much worse.

Nope, its only slightly higher, and the rate of growth was slashed in the last 3 and 1/2 years.

Please show me unbiased, factual proof that ANY of these statements are untrue?
 
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No doubt the economy has collapsed under obama but one thing to keep in mind, being in poverty in America is middle class in much of Europe. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending obama I am however defending the quality of life in America that obama is trying desperately to ruin.
 
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No doubt the economy has collapsed under obama but one thing to keep in mind, being in poverty in America is middle class in much of Europe. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending obama I am however defending the quality of life in America that obama is trying desperately to ruin.


That ought to really gin up the working class to continue the tax cuts for the wealthy!!! This is going to be such a fun election! :cool:
 
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That ought to really gin up the working class to continue the tax cuts for the wealthy!!! This is going to be such a fun election! :cool:

I don't understand. The CBO stated the tax increases will cause recession in early next year. Now Ernst n Young have reported the same. Is it your arguement that the 'working class' WANTS another recession?
 
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I don't understand. The CBO stated the tax increases will cause recession in early next year. Now Ernst n Young have reported the same. Is it your arguement that the 'working class' WANTS another recession?


Link?...............


All the reports I've read the CBO was talking about ending all the Bush tax cuts, not just those for the wealthy, as the president has proposed"

"President Obama’s budget allows the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to expire, and yet the CBO found that short-term growth under that plan would exceed short-term growth under the current scenario.

The major negative impact on the tax side instead comes from an end to the Bush tax cuts for the middle class and an end to the payroll tax cut extension.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/23/489118/congressional-budget-office-report-proves-spending-cuts-wont-boost-economic-growth/
 
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