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Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

Indigent care is primarily through emergency rooms. Those are primarily paid for by business and residential property taxes. ObamaCare shifts this to people's paychecks. Corporations and the rich pay SIGNIFICANTLY more in property taxes than the middle class. But under Obama care a Billionaire will pay no more for indigent health care than someone punching an hourly clock. ObamaCare is MASSIVE TAX REDUCTIONS for the rich, with the middle class to pick up the difference.

I don't have anything to back it up right now but I don't think that is correct. Most hospitals are private businesses. Hospitals normally make up for non paying customers by raising the prices on paying customers.
 
Wow. So Obama reiterated the position he has held for the last two years. How is this news? And more importantly, in what way does this help the unemployed, the middle class, or the economy? This president is the king of the inconsequential.

Waiting for him to hold a press conference and explain why Katie left Tom
 
You obviously don't believe in tax rates determined by what the indiviual can afford either. The middle class cannot afford a tax hike now, the top 2% certainly can. That's just how it works.

What makes you think your determination of what I believe has any basis in reality?

The fact is...the COUNTRY can't afford a tax hike...on anyone.
 
what if Obama offers 3x as much in spending cuts, in exchange for this tax increase on the rich?

LOL!!!

That's been promised by the Democrats two time recently...and both times they went back on their promise.

The Republicans would be stupid to accept such a deal.
 
Cant pander to me...Im not poor and im upper middle class and I paid a higher percentage of tax than your sleezebag romney did...you know the guy that wont even tell us his Financials...yeah that guy the one hiding the truth.

Romny has been a rich mans slut since the day his father stuck the golden spoon in his arse in the hospital bassinet...he is clueless to what a real american is and hes been so insulated in life by being born rich he is clueless...get off the soapbox turtle...no one believes you anymore lol...

So...you're getting smacked around on your position regarding Obama so you feel the need to deflect to Romney, eh?
 
so you are making over 200K a year--that is the level of income it takes to be paying an effective rate of 14% or so.

Your pathetic class envy is a reflection on you, not Romney.



I don't lie-you do



Sorry no class envy here and turtle my friend you have worn your one line cliches out long ago :) The effective rate of my income is what it is...and the fact you slithered past is that Romney on hundreds of millions paid LESS...and your in the same breath going to attempt to slobber all over yourself and whine that Romny needs another tax cut and the middleclass needs more entitlement reduction and we cant afford the middleclass but we can afford to give another huge tax cut to the rich and famous and the great boosters of communist chinese quality of life and thier economy to our great far eastern corporations.

You are going to slobber about class warfare because Obama recognizes the the WORKING CLASS in this country and the poor are the only ones that are hurting and the RICH are doing fabulously better and are the ones that created all this.....so you in your greedy mindset you believe its an HORRIFIC act of class warfare to extend pennies in tax cuts to the middleclass for a year...and ending them a year sooner for the super rich that have it all.

Sorry Turtle your argument AGAIN falls on deaf ears and has no basis or depth in common sense....its just the wail of the richman who wants mOAR and mOAR...see the rich dont get rich off each other...the rich get rich taking off the 98% and the 98% doing all the work for them
 
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Here is my 2 cents on this:

1) Both Romney and Obama agree that the Bush tax cuts should be extended for those making below 250k.

2) Where they disagree is whether or not the cuts should be extended for those making over 250k.

3) By sitting on their butts and doing nothing, something which the congress is masterful at, ALL Bush tax cuts will expire at the end of the year.

4) And here is where the fine line between recovery and a double dip recession lies. By letting ALL the Bush tax cuts expire, demand for products will be reduced, due to less money in consumers' pockets. But at the same time, all economists agree that we are not going to be able to move the economy forward without some kind of revenue coming in to the government. Tax cuts alone are not going to solve the problem.

5) By targeting the Bush tax cut extension to those making under 250k, Obama is forcing Romney to take sides with the rich over this issue, and then use that to leverage his argument that Romney only cares about the rich.

6) To sum it up, Obama is playing pure politics with this issue, and IMHO, this IS class warfare he is engaging in. Sure, Republicans are playing the class warfare game too, but this thread is about the play from Obama's playbook, not Romney's.

7) And yes, this announcement by Obama does not pass the smell test.
 
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Finally Someone trying to do something for the class that carries this country, in WARS and economically by doing the LABOR and actual WORK...that produces our economy.
Its refreshing to have someone care about those that really need a break and not just slobbering all over themselves sniveling about how very bad the 1% that has 99% has it....


President Obama returns to the tax issue today, with plans to call for a one-year extension of George W. Bush-era tax cuts for the middle class.Obama will again call for letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to expire at the end of the year, saying the revenue can be used to help reduce debt and finance middle class programs like education.
"President Obama today will push for extension of middle class tax cuts," tweeted White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer. "Will the GOP join him to provide certainty for 98% of Americans?"


Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

Isn't a one year extension tantamount to a promise to raise everyone's taxes once he's safely reelected?
 
Oblama is a pimp and he is pandering to people like you

When you employ over the top hateful vitriol like that in an attempt to shock and awe the weak minded, what is to prevent anyone from saying that your service to corporations makes you their john?

Can we please be adults here and put all this stupid pimp stuff to rest? It is something that a fifth grade boy would use because he has just learned the term and wants to shock everyone with how badass he thinks he is.
 
Here is my 2 cents on this:

1) Both Romney and Obama agree that the Bush tax cuts should be extended for those making below 250k.

2) Where they disagree is whether or not the cuts should be extended for those making over 250k.

3) By sitting on their butts and doing nothing, something which the congress is masterful at, ALL Bush tax cuts will expire at the end of the year.

4) And here is where the fine line between recovery and a double dip recession lies. By letting ALL the Bush tax cuts expire, demand for products will be reduced, due to less money in consumers' pockets. But at the same time, all economists agree that we are not going to be able to move the economy forward without some kind of revenue coming in to the government. Tax cuts alone are not going to solve the problem.

5) By targeting the Bush tax cut extension to those making under 250k, Obama is forcing Romney to take sides with the rich over this issue, and then use that to leverage his argument that Romney only cares about the rich.

6) To sum it up, Obama is playing pure politics with this issue, and IMHO, this IS class warfare he is engaging in. Sure, Republicans are playing the class warfare game too, but this thread is about the play from Obama's playbook, not Romney's.

7) And yes, this announcement by Obama does not pass the smell test.

This is a contest he can't win. Force him to veto a full extension, hahahahaha........
 
I believe the middleclass is pissed off enough at him from the huge tax hike on them in the form of Obamacare.
LOL... you'd better hope the middleclass is not pissed off at the right for all the propaganda they spread, such as your post above ;)
 
Isn't a one year extension tantamount to a promise to raise everyone's taxes once he's safely reelected?
No. It is effectively a one-year stimulus program. It's also a political reelection ploy of course, but as much to paint the GOP into a corner as to solicit voter favor.

However, with respect to the latter, he should have stuck to his guns when this first came up and let the cuts expire for everyone, as was originally written, and blamed it all on the GOP while reaping the reduction in deficits for his political account (assuming that the tax increase would not have made the economy stumble).
 
so you are making over 200K a year--that is the level of income it takes to be paying an effective rate of 14% or so.
Untrue, according to the NY Times graphic linked below, which shows someone with an income of $94,100, which includes capital gains of about $3,200, pays an effective combined payroll/income tax of 15.7%.

Got any more wildly misleading statistics you'd like to share?

Effective Income Tax Rates - Graphic - NYTimes.com
 
Congress could always push to make those middle class extensions permanent. See how that plays.
 
Untrue, according to the NY Times graphic linked below, which shows someone with an income of $94,100, which includes capital gains of about $3,200, pays an effective combined payroll/income tax of 15.7%.

Got any more wildly misleading statistics you'd like to share?

Effective Income Tax Rates - Graphic - NYTimes.com

You mean if you include payroll taxes that cut off at a certain level AND the benefits from those taxes ALSO CUT OFF AT A CERTAIN LEVEL. No slight of hand here....{sarcasm}
 
Here is my 2 cents on this:

1) Both Romney and Obama agree that the Bush tax cuts should be extended for those making below 250k.

2) Where they disagree is whether or not the cuts should be extended for those making over 250k.

3) By sitting on their butts and doing nothing, something which the congress is masterful at, ALL Bush tax cuts will expire at the end of the year.

4) And here is where the fine line between recovery and a double dip recession lies. By letting ALL the Bush tax cuts expire, demand for products will be reduced, due to less money in consumers' pockets. But at the same time, all economists agree that we are not going to be able to move the economy forward without some kind of revenue coming in to the government. Tax cuts alone are not going to solve the problem.

5) By targeting the Bush tax cut extension to those making under 250k, Obama is forcing Romney to take sides with the rich over this issue, and then use that to leverage his argument that Romney only cares about the rich.

6) To sum it up, Obama is playing pure politics with this issue, and IMHO, this IS class warfare he is engaging in. Sure, Republicans are playing the class warfare game too, but this thread is about the play from Obama's playbook, not Romney's.

7) And yes, this announcement by Obama does not pass the smell test.

Obama isn't playing politics at all....this is what Obama campaigned on the first time around and what he has tried his entire time in office to do.

The reality is, Republicans have been and continue to be willing to hold the working and middle class hostage in order to protect tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans. It is was it is.
 
........But at the same time, all economists agree that we are not going to be able to move the economy forward without some kind of revenue coming in to the government. .........

I don't see how giving the government more money is going to help since the government currently has no problem spending as much as they want.
 
This is a contest he can't win. Force him to veto a full extension, hahahahaha........

All THAT would do is reiterate that the GOP was not willing to give the working/middle class tax relief unless Obama agreed to extend cuts to the wealthiest Americans as well. Good Luck. It would simply highlight that the GOP is once again willing to punish the working/middle class in order to ensure that the wealthiest get more.
 
Congress could always push to make those middle class extensions permanent. See how that plays.
Highly unlikely to pass the Senate.

However, as with the original tax cuts, Congress can't do that unless they find a funding mechanism. See the Byrd Rule and PAYGO.
 
Obama isn't playing politics at all....this is what Obama campaigned on the first time around and what he has tried his entire time in office to do.

The reality is, Republicans have been and continue to be willing to hold the working and middle class hostage in order to protect tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans. It is was it is.

NONSENSE. Would those be the same republicants that stopped the PPACA? This is 100% BS to rile up the base and paint the GOP as pro "rich guy". What real good is a tax increase during super slow economic times? WOW, it would fund the federal gov't for 8 1/2 days! Obama knows that it is a moronic idea, that it will never happen and yet pretends to support it. If reducing the defict (he campaigned in 2008 PROMISING to cut it in half) was really his "priority" he would NEVER have signed the student loan subsidy or cut the SS payroll tax or spent like a fool for his entire term. He brags about all of the taxes he cut, money he "invested" and then belly aches about the defict. Obama is an economic moron, yet a very clever speaker, guiding his liberal sheeple to worship his greatness, even as he bumbles along spewing blame in all directions. Yes he can!
 
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I don't see how giving the government more money is going to help since the government currently has no problem spending as much as they want.
That you can't see something really means nothing.
 
Political pandering is all this is about. But I see many have bought into it, and the silly notion that there are 'tax cuts for the rich'.

Are our schools to blame for such hackery?
 
NONSENSE. Would those be the same republicants that stopped the PPACA? This is 100% BS to rile up the base and paint the GOP as pro "rich guy". What real good is a tax increase during super slow economic times? WOW, it would fund the federal gov't for 8 1/2 days! Obama knows that it is a moronic idea, that it will never happen and yet pretends to support it. If reducing the defict (he campaigned in 2008 PROMISING to cut it in half) was really his "priority" he would NEVER have signed the student loan subsidy or cut the SS payroll tax or spent like a fool for his entire term. He brags about all of the taxes he cut, money he "invested" and then belly aches about the defict. Obama is an economic moron, yet a very clever speaker, guiding his liberal sheeple to worship his greatness, even as he bumbles along spewing blame in all directions. Yes he can!

Not nonsense at all. If the GOP cared at all about anyone other than their "base", then why would they not agree to the extension of the cuts for the 98% unless the 2% are given tax cuts? The reality is...the GOP is willing to hold the 98% hostage in order to get tax cuts for the wealthiest....call it whatever you want....but it is what it is.
 
Not nonsense at all. If the GOP cared at all about anyone other than their "base", then why would they not agree to the extension of the cuts for the 98% unless the 2% are given tax cuts? The reality is...the GOP is willing to hold the 98% hostage in order to get tax cuts for the wealthiest....call it whatever you want....but it is what it is.

Not nonsense at all. If the DNC cared at all about anyone other than their "base", then why would they not agree to the extension of the cuts for everyone? The reality is...the DNC is willing to hold the 98% hostage in order to increase taxes on the wealthiest....call it whatever you want....but it is what it is.

Goes both ways dude. Try looking at the bigger picture from time to time and you might lose the rep as a hack.
 
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