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Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

NONSENSE. Then why not "target" ALL hit by the recession instead of zooming in on "people of color"? You would go ballistic if a congressional group targeted "white people" for special HELP, yet feel all warm and fuzzy when it is reversed. Get real!

The same reason there are there policies that disproportionately affect any number of target demographics, such as income, social status, gender orientation, sex, etc. Its easier to target the groups that need help the most if you slice and dice the statistics a little bit. It helps funds go where they are needed most rather than be wasted on people who may already be doing well.
 
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what would that be based on?

Empirical studies. Look them up: they cover everything from university acceptance rates of blacks from the 1900s through the 1960s to voter disenfranchisement, to sentencing rates etc.

not at all, groups like the NOI are very visible in a number of AA communities and are seen as community leaders in many instances

Visibility =/= acceptance. If that were so I could just as easily claim that racism is acceptable in the Republican party as far right racists tend to also be Republican/Conservative.
 
maybe I'm misreading your statement, or failing to understand the context it was presented in (and if I am, I apologize), but there are certainly racist organizations within the African american community that do more than simply "cook out"

Say what you want about methods and beliefs, but at least militant black orgs. actually had/have a legit. ax to grind. I don't think weariness from having to hear people moan about genocide, crimes against humanity and involuntary servitude is much of a beef, but that's just me drinking a latte and flying over the heartland kind of thinkin..
 
Empirical studies. Look them up: they cover everything from university acceptance rates of blacks from the 1900s through the 1960s to voter disenfranchisement, to sentencing rates etc.

what would any of the above have to do with actually substantiating your claim?



Visibility =/= acceptance. If that were so I could just as easily claim that racism is acceptable in the Republican party as far right racists tend to also be Republican/Conservative.
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Your attempt at drawing a paralleled doesn't really work. 1) because I am pointing out that these individuals "are very visible in a number of AA communities *and are seen as community leaders in many instances*" 2) I'm not saying people are racist for simply sharing political views with them (as with your example above), but that they are openly tolerated within these communities, and often play prominent rolls within them.
 
NONSENSE. Then why not "target" ALL hit by the recession instead of zooming in on "people of color"? You would go ballistic if a congressional group targeted "white people" for special HELP, yet feel all warm and fuzzy when it is reversed. Get real!

I think as the historically and presently privileged race of citizens in this country we ought to, at a minimum, accept the criticism gracefully, tip the cap and say, "yep, you're right, racism exists, it is reprehensible and what's more, you are right. Oh by the way did I mention you are right?" Small price to pay for all the privilege I have enjoyed for no reason other than winning a dna lottery.
 
Say what you want about methods and beliefs, but at least militant black orgs. actually had/have a legit. ax to grind.

apparently your not really familiar with any of these groups. So I suggest reading "message to the black man in america"

I don't think weariness from having to hear people moan about genocide, crimes against humanity and involuntary servitude is much of a beef, but that's just me drinking a latte and flying over the heartland kind of thinkin..

huh?
 
what do you mean by "generational traction"? And while I agree these groups are usually sidelined within mainstream american culture, the same situation hardly exists within the african american community itself. Where these groups are readily visible and generally accepted

It's a puzzle to us all why people in the african american community think they have to band together to oppose white racism. What's the matter with those folks?:lamo
 
It's a puzzle to us all why people in the african american community think they have to band together to oppose white racism. What's the matter with those folks?:lamo

I'm not talking about people simply opposing white racism, though. In fact, the NOI also hates jews and Arabs, among many others.

really amazes me some people would actually excuse such attitudes
 
what would any of the above have to do with actually substantiating your claim?

Now you're being purposely obtuse.

Your attempt at drawing a paralleled doesn't really work. 1) because I am pointing out that these individuals "are very visible in a number of AA communities *and are seen as community leaders in many instances*" 2) I'm not saying people are racist for simply sharing political views with them (as with your example above), but that they are openly tolerated within these communities, and often play prominent rolls within them.

And I'm responding that that is utter nonsense.
 
please show how the CBC exclused white people.

please show how the CBC believes that black people are superior.

I'll let William Lacy Clay Jr ( D-Mo) explain it to you.... when representive Steve Cohen ( a white dude) petition ot join, he was turned down... this is what Clay said in an official statement from his office
Quite simply, Rep. Cohen will have to accept what the rest of the country will have to accept—there has been an unofficial Congressional White Caucus for over 200 years, and now it's our turn to say who can join 'the club.' He does not, and cannot, meet the membership criteria, unless he can change his skin color. Primarily, we are concerned with the needs and concerns of the black population, and we will not allow white America to infringe on those objectives.

excluding whites.. check.
displaying superiority of blacks... check.

done and done... what say you now?
 
What is the purpose of this post? To deny that whites kept blacks in bondage for 200 years in this country and then kept them legally as second class citizens for another hundred years? You're the one who wants to equate the Congressional Black Caucus with 300 years of institutional racial oppression of blacks by whites.

And just for the record, we became an independent nation in 1776. Slavery continued for another 90 years and was only ended by a Civil War. Then we allowed instituional racism to flourish for another hundred years. I'm not sure we can blame anybody but us for that, no matter how hard you try.

Congratulations on an intellectually dishonest effort.

First, I've said nothing of the CBC. Second, many states banned the practice of slavery before we even became a country, importation soon after we became a country, and you have to be a complete moron or one that totally embraces "white guilt" to 1-carry he burdens of people you never knew and 2-ignore the reality that every race and culture has (and gasp...many of those African countries still do) engaged in the institution. If you can't grow up and move forward, you get what you deserve. Frankly, I'm continually stunned that people are so pathetic that they still engage in it today...either the practice of racism or the excuse/justification of it. Who has that kind of time? Look...if you are guilty of something, **** you, shame on you, and make amends. If not, grow the **** up and get off the cross. There are tons of better use for the wood.
 
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See post #59.
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Look...if you are guilty of something, **** you, shame on you, and make amends. If not, grow the **** up and get off the cross. There are tons of better use for the wood.


There's also the fact that these people in the OP will be burning it. That's a good reason to get off the cross.
 
...Reparations or affirmative action are NOT equal treatment under the law, no matter how you try to "justify" them. In a nation led by a mixed race president, elected by a white majority, it is perhaps time to bury the hatchet of "racial politics" and move on.
Bill Clinton was our first black president. The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama is our first Halfrican-American.

It is so hard to distinguish the difference.
 
I wouldn't call that racist as it is not motivated by racism.

There is a difference in focus on issues that disproportionately affect people of certain races and the believe that a particular race is better or worse in their level of ability, intelligence, humanity, etc.
This is just an excuse...nothing more.

You have your template. If the white congressional caucus introduced bills to shovel money and benefits to predominantly white neighborhoods would you object?

Just for fun, do white people pay most of the federal income taxes? I know I pay a very large amount. I am part of the 53% who pay the federal income tax.
 
Bill Clinton was our first black president. The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama is our first Halfrican-American.

It is so hard to distinguish the difference.

Don't you love how LIBERALS always play the race card?
 
Don't you love how LIBERALS always play the race card?
Did you find that inacurate?

I thought it was perfectly accurate. Why do you think it is "the race card"? Was I implying anything untoward about the races?

Or do you just take offense because you wished you were the first to type it here?
 
please show us where the CBC believe in the racial superiority of black people.
I just did.
question for you...

are white people superior, inferior, or equally capable ( in comparison to black people) of seeing to the concerns of the black population (in terms of policy)
 
I just did.
question for you...

are white people superior, inferior, or equally capable ( in comparison to black people) of seeing to the concerns of the black population (in terms of policy)

you're playing word games.

does the CBC believe that black people are physically and intellectually superior to white people, or not?????
 
Did you find that inacurate?

I thought it was perfectly accurate. Why do you think it is "the race card"? Was I implying anything untoward about the races?

Or do you just take offense because you wished you were the first to type it here?


You seem to be the one fixated on Obama's racial background.
 
There's also the fact that these people in the OP will be burning it. That's a good reason to get off the cross.
And you I am sure have seen my opinion of those people as well. Good lord...its 2012 folks.
 
And you I am sure have seen my opinion of those people as well. Good lord...its 2012 folks.

Not coming back on you, I understand you don't endorse it. Just cracking a joke about you saying "get off the cross" in this situation.
 
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