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People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

Somalia has no organized government. That's why.

Ah, so you'll pick the anti-American, heavily Islamic country instead. That makes sense.
 
Why is it Americans both, Liberal and Conservative say if this doesn't happen or if so and so is/isn't elected that they are gonna move to Canada. Come on guys can't you leave us alone and go to mexico instead.
Mexico is good for three things: Removing annoying college kids from the US for a week, making cheap crap, and being used in western films.
 
There are a couple of righties I know of who retired there to eke out their nest egg and whine from a distance.
 
Ah, so you'll pick the anti-American, heavily Islamic country instead. That makes sense.

Considering I'm a fundamentalist whose beliefs are not all that far from Islamist philosophy and believe the True USA is dead, why not?
 
Mexico is good for three things: Removing annoying college kids from the US for a week, making cheap crap, and being used in western films.

Don't forget Tequila!
 
Considering I'm a fundamentalist whose beliefs are not all that far from Islamist philosophy and believe the True USA is dead, why not?

But you don't want to leave here and go there.
 
Any bets all the attention whores we know will not set foot out of the USofA, but just sit on the couch and grumble?
 
Considering I'm a fundamentalist whose beliefs are not all that far from Islamist philosophy and believe the True USA is dead, why not?

A fundamentalist what? A fundamentalist Islamic? A fundamentalist Christian? A fundamentalist authoritarian? If by "True USA" you mean "Puritan USA" circa the 18th century, I think you'll be shocked to find out just how unwelcome you'll be in their society.
 
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Considering I'm a fundamentalist whose beliefs are not all that far from Islamist philosophy and believe the True USA is dead, why not?

What about your special medical needs that require our society's best medical treatment?
 
A fundamentalist what? A fundamentalist Islamic? A fundamentalist Christian? A fundamentalist authoritarian? If by "True USA" you mean "Puritan USA" circa the 18th century, I think you'll be shocked to find out just how unwelcome you'll be in their society.

A Fundamentalist. I don't believe in religion. By True USA I mean the USA of pre-1860. If you have a better idea of where I should go, please let me know.

What about your special medical needs that require our society's best medical treatment?

At this point I'd almost rather be a blind epileptic than an American citizen.
 
A Fundamentalist. I don't believe in religion. By True USA I mean the USA of pre-1860. If you have a better idea of where I should go, please let me know.

I don't know of many places who live in the early 19th century. Well let's see. You're looking for a pre-1860ish society where women and blacks have no rights. Maybe somewhere in Africa? The DRC would be my choice. Women barely have any rights. Actually most of the population has few rights (extra points as most of them are already black). You also have the added bonus of an elitist government and the issue of taxation is mostly moot. I think that's perfect. Off to the Congo you go Tigger! Promise to write?
 
A Fundamentalist. I don't believe in religion. By True USA I mean the USA of pre-1860. If you have a better idea of where I should go, please let me know.



At this point I'd almost rather be a blind epileptic than an American citizen.

I suggest remote parts of afghanistan or pakistan, Really remote parts, They are basically livign in that time. Thouhg you might see american soldeirs from time to tiem or perhaps just drones
 
I suggest remote parts of afghanistan or pakistan, Really remote parts, They are basically livign in that time. Thouhg you might see american soldeirs from time to tiem or perhaps just drones

You know, Pakistan might actually be an option. Thanks for the idea Quag. It also makes the whole process of renouncing citizenship easier since we do have diplomatic relations with Pakistan. Now I just have to find out if that Embassy/Counsel is one that REQUIRES foreign citizenship before they will process a renounciation request.
 
Lol. Why not Somalia? I'm sure they'll treat you nicely in a heavily Islamic anti-American society.

Tigger's not a libertarian, he likes the idea of a repressive authoritarian regime. Iran would be a great fit for him, as long as he's willing to convert to Islam.
 
A Fundamentalist. I don't believe in religion. By True USA I mean the USA of pre-1860. If you have a better idea of where I should go, please let me know.

North Korea and China both have forms of slavery and repressive, authoritarian regimes.
 
I'm generally against direct government control, but having lived in Canada and heard the opinions of my many Canadian family members and friends, I'm quite confident in the Canadian system's superiority. It's one of the things I miss about living there. Everyone gets basic dental and medical coverage with the result being an overall healthier society. The odd person has to come to the U.S. for a procedure, but that's a problem with the low population density of the country rather than a problem with the "socialized" payment methodology.

I have to correct you on one of your statements. We don't have governament coverage for basic dental (or anything dental). But most employers will offer some sort of insurance. For instance my basic dental cost is covered to about 85%. Of course, I fork over the other 15%.
 
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Tigger's not a libertarian, he likes the idea of a repressive authoritarian regime. Iran would be a great fit for him, as long as he's willing to convert to Islam.

So long as they don't care that I simply go through the motions.

North Korea and China both have forms of slavery and repressive, authoritarian regimes.

NK does not have diplomatic relations with the USA, which creates the same issue as Iran. China is an option, though probably not as good as Pakistan.
 
You know, Pakistan might actually be an option. Thanks for the idea Quag. It also makes the whole process of renouncing citizenship easier since we do have diplomatic relations with Pakistan. Now I just have to find out if that Embassy/Counsel is one that REQUIRES foreign citizenship before they will process a renounciation request.


There's the whole 'crossing borders' thing that just might cause you a few problems if you aren't in possession of a valid passport when you attempt to enter another country. Hell, how are you going to get on an airplane without a passport? I've had problems a couple of times, once when my passport had expired while I was at sea and once when the US immigration agent didn't like the fact that I had a Canadian passport even though I had been born in the States. Airport immigration guys are the worst, only once had a problem with a dockside immigration agent and that was a simple one fixed with a phone call.

Try reading The Man Without a Country
 
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There's the whole 'crossing borders' thing that just might cause you a few problems if you aren't in possession of a valid passport when you attempt to enter another country. Hell, how are you going to get on an airplane without a passport? I've had problems a couple of times, once when my passport had expired while I was at sea and once when the US immigration agent didn't like the fact that I had a Canadian passport even though I had been born in the States. Airport immigration guys are the worst, only once had a problem with a dockside immigration agent and that was a simple one fixed with a phone call.

As I mentioned yesterday, I'm probably going to have to get citizenship in another country, then renounce the US citizenship, then renounce the citizenship in that other nation. That's just the way it's likely going to have to work.
 
I have to correct you on one of your statements. We don't have governament coverage for basic dental (or anything dental). But most employers will offer some sort of insurance. For instance my basic dental cost is covered to about 85%. Of course, I fork over the other 15%.

Why is it that there has to be separate insurance for teeth? There is no separate insurance for hands, feet, livers, or knees after all, why teeth?
 
As I mentioned yesterday, I'm probably going to have to get citizenship in another country, then renounce the US citizenship, then renounce the citizenship in that other nation. That's just the way it's likely going to have to work.


and then what? no passports, no citizenship ... where are you going to live? HOW are you going to live? Tribal societies may not be very welcoming when you can't speak "ples tok" (pidgin for language of a place) and SCA tournament fighting may not be very useful if you don't have your swords, axes and shields with you..

The ples tok did make me think about New Guinea, might investigate there. Find yourself a valley back in the mountains, away from the coast and you might be able to make it - unless you get in the middle of a clan feud, or you are susceptible to various tropical diseases or get bitten by some little bug that didn't look all that dangerous when it dropped out a tree onto your bare skin. Not too many medicines back in those pre-1860 days.
 
As I mentioned yesterday, I'm probably going to have to get citizenship in another country, then renounce the US citizenship, then renounce the citizenship in that other nation. That's just the way it's likely going to have to work.

You've been given several suggestions. Which are you going to chose? Pakistan, Afganistan, North Korea? I think Yemen might be a good choice. Their philosophy is something you might like.
 
I have to correct you on one of your statements. We don't have governament coverage for basic dental (or anything dental). But most employers will offer some sort of insurance. For instance my basic dental cost is covered to about 85%. Of course, I fork over the other 15%.

Young children are covered for basic dental checkups here in Quebec, I think it's up to 8 years old, could be wrong as to when it cuts off, after that you either pay out of pocket or have insurance. Not sure if other provinces do the same but I would not be suprised. Health care coverage is national but run provincially and there are differences between what the provinces cover. My dental plan is same a MG's
 
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Brilliant! I myself am moving to Mexico to escape gang violence.
 
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