Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

[Somerville]

from Politico

Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

The Senate’s flood insurance program looked like it was headed toward smooth passage – but now, there appears to be an abortion-related wrinkle.

Yes, abortion.

That’s at least according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who said Tuesday that a Republican senator is insisting on a vote on an amendment defining “when life begins.” Reid didn’t name the senator, but it was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) who had offered the amendment.

“I think some of this stuff is just – I have been very patient working with my Republican colleagues in allowing relevant amendments on issues, and sometimes we even do non-relevant amendments,” Reid said. “But really, on flood insurance?”

I like this 'comment' on Sen. Rand Paul

 

[Hatuey]

I wonder when Libertarians will simply admit that they're Conservatives made in the image of Milton Freedman.

 

[Thunder]

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and they say Republicans don't have a history of obstruction.

what RP is doing is disgusting, immoral and outrageous.

 

[lpast]

Rand Paul is even more nuts than his father is....

 

[Thunder]

Rand Paul is even more nuts than his father is....

until today, I thought it was impossible.

not only is he more nuts, but he is more of a petty obstructionist.

 

[lpast]

Be prepared, rand paul is going to do this kind of crap constantly....he is going to stick his nutter stuff into every bill on anything that he can...hes an attention whore just like his daddy.

 

[mike2810]

this is why riders to bills are a bad thing and need to be outlawed. Through history both sides have used riders to get attention or trying to get things passed that would not stand on their own.

We need change on how Congress does business.

 

[jamesrage]

This is why there needs to be a one subject at a time law regarding bills.I am adamantly opposed to abortion except to save the life of the mother so I am not some abortionist injecting pro-abortionist bias in supporting one subject at a time.

 

[Somerville]

This is why there needs to be a one subject at a time law regarding bills.I am adamantly opposed to abortion except to save the life of the mother so I am not some abortionist injecting pro-abortionist bias in supporting one subject at a time.

No abortion in cases of rape and incest?

 

[Cephus]

and they say Republicans don't have a history of obstruction.

what RP is doing is disgusting, immoral and outrageous.

Just like what the DP usually does. Of course, it makes sense, the modern RP is just disenfranchised southern Democrats with a religious hard-on.

 

[jamesrage]

No abortion in cases of rape and incest?

I believe that a baby in the womb is a actual human being that deserves the same legal protections as you or me.As such in this country we do not demand that the relatives of criminals be punished.So a child in the womb should not be punished because of the actions of his or her birth father. Even if we did punish people for the actions of their relatives many people would consider the death penalty to be too extreme for rape and incest.

 

[Somerville]

I believe that a baby in the womb is a actual human being that deserves the same legal protections as you or me.As such in this country we do not demand that the relatives of criminals be punished.So a child in the womb should not be punished because of the actions of his or her birth father. Even if we did punish people for the actions of their relatives many people would consider the death penalty to be too extreme for rape and incest.

So you think it is OK to punish the woman for something that was done to her?

Funny that whole 'don't punish the relatives' thing somehow doesn't include the female victim of the crime in your opinion.

There ain't no "baby in the womb" until about six months of pregnancy in my opinion and until it takes its first breaths it is not entitled to the same legal protections as the female person who is carrying the foetus. IMO


The purpose of "Pro-choice" is to allow the one living breathing human in each case to make her own decision. Funny how the right is all for the freedom of the individual until it isn't.

"Pro-life" is a misnomer, it should really be ANTI Abortion for in too many instances, preventing abortions causes death.

 

[Thrilla]

regardless of the merits of the amendment.. it has nothing to do with flood insurance, and should not be allowed in.

poor legislating is poor legislating, no matter who does it or what political lean they have.


as Reid basically said " we all do it"... well there Harry, there's your problem right there.
don't whine about something everyone on Capitol Hill does.... just change the ****ing rules so riders and irrelevant amendments can't make it in to bills.

Rand, wtf are you thinking numbnuts?.... abortion has exactly dick to do with flood insurance..... get a clue.

 

[radcen]

this is why riders to bills are a bad thing and need to be outlawed. Through history both sides have used riders to get attention or trying to get things passed that would not stand on their own.

We need change on how Congress does business.

This is why there needs to be a one subject at a time law regarding bills.I am adamantly opposed to abortion except to save the life of the mother so I am not some abortionist injecting pro-abortionist bias in supporting one subject at a time.

regardless of the merits of the amendment.. it has nothing to do with flood insurance, and should not be allowed in.

poor legislating is poor legislating, no matter who does it or what political lean they have.

as Reid basically said " we all do it"... well there Harry, there's your problem right there.
don't whine about something everyone on Capitol Hill does.... just change the ****ing rules so riders and irrelevant amendments can't make it in to bills.

Rand, wtf are you thinking numbnuts?.... abortion has exactly dick to do with flood insurance..... get a clue.

You guys beat me to it. It is because of dumb-ass abuse of the intent of the system like this that bills need... NEED!!!... to stick to a single subject. If that requires a Constitutional amendment... so be it.

 

[Aberration]

and they say Republicans don't have a history of obstruction.

what RP is doing is disgusting, immoral and outrageous.

And he feels the same about those who have, provide, and support abortions.

 

[Aberration]

So you think it is OK to punish the woman for something that was done to her?

Funny that whole 'don't punish the relatives' thing somehow doesn't include the female victim of the crime in your opinion.

There ain't no "baby in the womb" until about six months of pregnancy in my opinion and until it takes its first breaths it is not entitled to the same legal protections as the female person who is carrying the foetus. IMO


The purpose of "Pro-choice" is to allow the one living breathing human in each case to make her own decision. Funny how the right is all for the freedom of the individual until it isn't.

"Pro-life" is a misnomer, it should really be ANTI Abortion for in too many instances, preventing abortions causes death.

They are still for freedom of the individual, they consider the unborn an individual. Of course you knew that.

 

[radcen]

There is an abortion thread where it is better to discuss actual abortion topics. Shhhhh, don't tell anybody.

This thread is about de-railing a bill, and the fact that abortion was used to do so is only incidental.

 

[Aberration]

There is an abortion thread where it is better to discuss actual abortion topics. Shhhhh, don't tell anybody.

This thread is about de-railing a bill, and the fact that abortion was used to do so is only incidental.

If Rand's intent was to derail the bill, then good.

People should not be living in flood zones, and if they choose to their insurance should not be subsidized by the rest of us smart enough to know better.

 

[jamesrage]

So you think it is OK to punish the woman for something that was done to her?

Funny that whole 'don't punish the relatives' thing somehow doesn't include the female victim of the crime in your opinion.

Pregnancy is not a punishment. Death however is a punishment.

There ain't no "baby in the womb" until about six months of pregnancy in my opinion and until it takes its first breaths it is not entitled to the same legal protections as the female person who is carrying the foetus. IMO

That is merely your opinion.

The purpose of "Pro-choice" is to allow the one living breathing human in each case to make her own decision. Funny how the right is all for the freedom of the individual until it isn't.

Your freedom ends when you seek the terminate the life of an innocent person.

"Pro-life" is a misnomer, it should really be ANTI Abortion for in too many instances,

Pro-choice is a misnomer, It really should be just pro-abortion. You people are not pro-choice when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms without any infringements,use vouchers to send kids to private school, become a pubic sector employee without joining a union in a closed shop and many other things you people who call yourselves pro-choice are not pro-choice. Compared to you I am pro-choice because I support a woman's right to choose to use adequate birth control,her right to chose to not engage in recreational sex if her partner is not using adequate protection, a woman's right to choose to give the baby up for adoption once its born if she doesn't want a baby, a woman's right to choose to exercise her 2nd amendment rights without any infringements just like our founding fathers intended, a woman's right to choose to use marijuana whether or recreational use or for medical use and I support a woman's right to use school vouchers to send her kids to private school.

The number of deaths caused by illegal abortions pale in comparison to legalized abortion which has cause 1.37 million deaths each year in this country.

 

[Thunder]

Pregnancy is not a punishment. Death however is a punishment....

forcing a woman to bring the child of her gang-rapists to term, is a punishment.

 

[Thunder]

And he feels the same about those who have, provide, and support abortions.

I could care less what Rand Paul thinks about me, as he is a dishonest, conspiracy theorist opportunist.

 

[Somerville]

Pregnancy is not a punishment. Death however is a punishment.
Yes, death is a punishment - sometimes - it may also be the result of disease or accident or age.




That is merely your opinion. Yes it is my opinion, just as yours are yours



Your freedom ends when you seek the terminate the life of an innocent person.
Do you support the Innocence Project? What should be the penalty when an innocent person is executed by mistake?



Pro-choice is a misnomer, It really should be just pro-abortion. You people are not pro-choice when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms without any infringements
Irrelevant to this discussion and a non sequiteur, we are discussing the right every woman should have to make her own medical decisions in consultation with a doctor
use vouchers to send kids to private school, become a pubic sector employee without joining a union in a closed shop and many other things you people who call yourselves pro-choice are not pro-choice. Compared to you I am pro-choice because I support a woman's right to choose to use adequate birth control,her right to chose to not engage in recreational sex if her partner is not using adequate protection, a woman's right to choose to give the baby up for adoption once its born if she doesn't want a baby, a woman's right to choose to exercise her 2nd amendment rights without any infringements just like our founding fathers intended, a woman's right to choose to use marijuana whether or recreational use or for medical use and I support a woman's right to use school vouchers to send her kids to private school.
Like I said, abortion rights - not gun ownership, not school vouchers, not favouring lax labour protection laws, not talking about drug laws - so drop them and stick to the subject

The number of deaths caused by illegal abortions pale in comparison to legalized abortion which has cause 1.37 million deaths each year in this country.

A true statement only if you think that every abortion removed a viable foetus from a woman. Only true if none of the women would have died without the abortion. Only true if you think a blastocyst is a human being. Only true if in every instance, a foetus had been formed without defect and in the womb and not in the fallopian tubes.

 

[Dittohead not!]

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There's an example of why the federal government should have nothing to do with abortion or flood insurance.

Flood insurance? Now, we have socialized flood insurance? No wonder people have no hesitation about building in the river flood plain.

 

[lpast]

They all do it and thats a big part of the reason it takes forever to get even the most sensible simple bill through congress...its assinine and does nothing but cause more hard feelings on both sides...but will they pass a rule on themselves that says YO MORONS no more playing games with bills...of course not that takes simple common sense.

 

[radcen]

They all do it and thats a big part of the reason it takes forever to get even the most sensible simple bill through congress...its assinine and does nothing but cause more hard feelings on both sides...but will they pass a rule on themselves that says YO MORONS no more playing games with bills...of course not that takes simple common sense.

This, I think, is the real long-term consequence. But, it's often effective in the short-term, and the voting public has short memories and short attention spans.