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Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitutiona

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Anybody who makes more than $100,000 in retirement should not get SS......Mark Zuckerburg should NOT get it. ETC. ETC....

But they should pay into it? And from what we hear, the cap should be raised also?
 
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I sure would like the compromise of opting out.
 
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Personally, I don't think the government should be building roads.

Even though my tax money is used to build the damn things, I am obliged to walk to work every day?


No, because that's ****ing stupid.
 
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You missed the point.

If one wants to argue that he has no responsibility whatsoever for the fiscal deficits, then one should not partake in anything related to fiscal policy. That Rep. Paul has actively earmarked spending that contributes to deficits makes him indirectly responsible for the consequences of those expenditures.

In terms of fiat currency, that has been in place well before Rep. Paul was elected to Congress. Paul's use of such currency is not the same thing as his earmarking. He has no alternatives over the former. If he lives and works in the U.S., he must use U.S. currency. He does have alternatives over the latter. He could vote against the spending and choose not to allocate such spending either via the earmarking process.

the point was to belittle his supporters with anything you could drum up, regardless of how idiotic it was. your point becomes incredibly transparent when you pull out juvenile stunts like referring to him as "their prophet"
 
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This thread is the tired old "if you advocate for a rule change you must not use the rule or some people will mistakenly call you a hypocrite". Of all the things wrong with Paul and his positions on the issues, and people want to make an issue of this? People who do not use resources available to them, even if they advocate against the resource being available, are idiots. This is the same type of stupidity that people use against Buffett and others, and is just as stupid as those stupid arguments.

I got no use for Ron Paul, but I have less use for stupid arguments.

Look, when Redress is passing up an oppertunity to take a shot at Ron Paul you know its not a legitimate issue. ;)
 
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Personally, I don't think the government should be building roads.

Even though my tax money is used to build the damn things, I am obliged to walk to work every day?


No, because that's ****ing stupid.

I'm sorry, but taking advantage of Social Security benefits while constantly arguing that SS is a Communist, unConstitutional ponzi-scheme, is pretty darn hypocritical and inconsistent.
 
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I'm sorry, but taking advantage of Social Security benefits while constantly arguing that SS is a Communist, unConstitutional ponzi-scheme, is pretty darn hypocritical and inconsistent.


Social Security IS a socialist, unconstitutional ponzi-scheme.

If it's still around when I'm of age, despite all reason, I will have been forced to pay into it against my will by the paternalistic bastards in Washington - reportedly for my own good - my whole life, despite my being perfectly capable of making my own investment decisions, and I will certainly be wanting to get my money back.

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Social Security IS a socialist, unconstitutional ponzi-scheme.

If it's still around when I'm of age, despite all reason, I will have been forced to pay into it against my will by the paternalistic bastards in Washington - reportedly for my own good - my whole life, despite my being perfectly capable of making my own investment decisions, and I will certainly be wanting to get my money back...

so once you have collected every dime that you have put into it, you will refuse all further SS checks?

if RP collects one dime past what he himself contributed, he is a total scumbag hypocrite.
 
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Am I the only one here that thinks he is not being hypocritical at all here? He doesn't like the system, but if he has been forced to pay into it, I find no problem with him getting the funds back when they are due to him.

And when he talks about weening young people off of it, he isn't talking about not getting the money that is owed to them, he only means that you should plan your retirement as if social security won't be there for you, which isn't terrible advice. SS is not meant to serve as someone's main source of income during retirement.
Apparently yes...so far from the left leaning folks you are. Of course...you (and really many others here) have a penchant for actually THINKING before discussing most topics, whereas some of the others...come on...its like pulling a string.

The 'hypocrisy' comes up quite often. The expectation is that people should live IN the world AND not of the world. So...to the mindless whackjob liberal...the government should tax the **** out of you and against your will seize your income for programs you dont agree with and then you should just accept it and not try to reclaim YOUR income and if you do, that makes you a hypocrite. Of course the thought process is immature, childish, idiotic, etc...but hey...for some folks thinking can be painful and really...we are probably better off as a people if they are just left to spew mindless rhetoric and talking points.
 
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so once you have collected every dime that you have put into it, you will refuse all further SS checks?

Every dime he put in plus the additional money he would have made investing that money himself? There are opportunity costs to having your money locked up in a government 'trust' fund for decades.

And in any case, my understanding is that gentlemen Congressman Paul's age get Social Security checks whether they want them or not. Refusing to cash them would not help them in any meaningful fashion because they'd have to spend more money figuring out why the money wasn't being withdrawn.
 
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Anybody who makes more than $100,000 in retirement should not get SS......Mark Zuckerburg should NOT get it. ETC. ETC....
Provided they arent forced to pay into it you are absolutely correct.
 
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How are they sucking up taxpayer money when they are also taxpayers?


Everyone that works and is retired is a tax payer....everyone that pays a sales tax or pays a license and registration fee...why havent they abolished pensions for house members...NO employer has to provide a pension they tell us...ok get rid of yours im your employer. Employers dont have to provide health benefits...ok get rid of yours...you can see the hypocrisy you dont want to admit it
 
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so once you have collected every dime that you have put into it, you will refuse all further SS checks?

if RP collects one dime past what he himself contributed, he is a total scumbag hypocrite.

if he was able to invest his money, It would of grown well above what was taken from him, making your temper tantrum rant look rather foolish and illogical.
 
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Can you actually reject SS checks? When they were paper I guess you could just not cash them...but aren't they all auto-deposit now?
 
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Can you actually reject SS checks? When they were paper I guess you could just not cash them...but aren't they all auto-deposit now?

you have to file to start receiving it, it doesn't happen magically
 
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Look, when Redress is passing up an oppertunity to take a shot at Ron Paul you know its not a legitimate issue. ;)

Nope sorry redress is not the do all end all for anti Ron Paul rhetoric and no single persons word is the gospel.

What makes Ron Paul a hypocrit over all others...is his entire political belief system and his entire platform is what is constitutional and what is not...he rails endlessly against social security and medicare as unconstitutional, yet he jumps on the badwagon and has been suckin on it longer than all the babyboomers have been. Ron Paul is a medical doctor and he is not a POOR Man, if he had any real conviction he would have done exactly what I said in an earlier thread....Make a press conference and state he was going to accept SS until he got what they unconstitutionally took from him then he would cease....Ron Paul is 76 yrs old...hes been collecting what 14 yrs. I wonder if hes on medicare also.


Its the same as Global Moderators breaking all the rules here while telling all of us you cant do that or you will be permabanned.
 
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if he was able to invest his money, It would of grown well above what was taken from him, making your temper tantrum rant look rather foolish and illogical.

if RP collects one dime past what he payed into it, he is part of the ponzi-scheme.

that would make him a hypocrite.
 
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...Ron Paul is a medical doctor and he is not a POOR Man, if he had any real conviction he would have done exactly what I said in an earlier thread....Make a press conference and state he was going to accept SS until he got what they unconstitutionally took from him then he would cease....Ron Paul is 76 yrs old...hes been collecting what 14 yrs. I wonder if hes on medicare also.

I predict he shall be collecting from SS & Medicare beyond what he himself payed into it.

why? cause' he's an opportunist who won't reject a check. his principles be damned.
 
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I predict he shall be collecting from SS & Medicare beyond what he himself payed into it.

why? cause' he's an opportunist who won't reject a check. his principles be damned.

Hes at least 10 yrs past collecting what he paid into it....he was collecting it before me and had his money back before I started collecting...HE WAS STEALING FROM ME....lol....what a phony that guys is...
 
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he rails endlessly against social security and medicare as unconstitutional, yet he jumps on the badwagon and has been suckin on it longer than all the babyboomers have been.

I doubt you will be moved by factual things, because you are clearly not right in the head.

But this is pure crap. He isn’t sucking on anything. He currently gives more money to SS then they return to him, so he is still blowing into the system, not sucking out.
 
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if RP collects one dime past what he payed into it, he is part of the ponzi-scheme.

that would make him a hypocrite.

we are all in the ponzie scheme. we would go to jail if we tried to not be a part of it.
 
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if he was able to invest his money, It would of grown well above what was taken from him, making your temper tantrum rant look rather foolish and illogical.

I don't think you can state that as if it was fact.

It probably would have been more, but that's certainly not guaranteed. I knew a guy that was ready to retire before the recession hit and then afterwords didn't think he could make it (his 401k was cut in almost half) unless he waited another two years so that he could get retirement plus social security checks. There's no telling how he would have been if he'd been dumping SS money into investments. Could have made more could have made less.
 
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we are all in the ponzie scheme. we would go to jail if we tried to not be a part of it.

You dont have to apply for it....Ron Paul had to willfully apply for Social Security, they dont just start sending you checks when you become of retirement age.
I would have had total respect for him even though I disagree with him..If he made a press conference and stated. I am of age that I can apply for Social Security. I am not, I cant in good conscience be against Social Security and Medicare for anyone as being unconstitutional and then accept monthly payments for myself. I will stand by my convictions.....well we know for 14 yrs he was suckin on the taxpayer teat while railing endlessly how unconstitutional it is and how blahblahblah....I was never a ron paul supporter but I had some respect for him...after this revelation I have zero respect for him....
 
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I don't think you can state that as if it was fact.

It probably would have been more, but that's certainly not guaranteed. I knew a guy that was ready to retire before the recession hit and then afterwords didn't think he could make it (his 401k was cut in almost half) unless he waited another two years so that he could get retirement plus social security checks. There's no telling how he would have been if he'd been dumping SS money into investments. Could have made more could have made less.

the guy you know is an idiot if he spent his whole life working and did not see his investments grow substantially
 
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You dont have to apply for it....Ron Paul had to willfully apply for Social Security, they dont just start sending you checks when you become of retirement age.

Straw man. The other person said he doesn’t have to be a part of the ponzi scheme, but that was false. The people at the bottom that give, but don’t take are part of the scheme.

I would have had total respect for him even though I disagree with him..If he made a press conference and stated. I am of age that I can apply for Social Security. I am not, I cant in good conscience be against Social Security and Medicare for anyone as being unconstitutional and then accept monthly payments for myself. I will stand by my convictions.....well we know for 14 yrs he was suckin on the taxpayer teat while railing endlessly how unconstitutional it is and how blahblahblah....I was never a ron paul supporter but I had some respect for him...after this revelation I have zero respect for him....

I would of lost respect for him if he showed such a retarded stance.
 
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