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I can hear the libertarians
Hes "ENTITLED" to it he paid into it
They stole his money, he should want to get it back and blahblahblah....heres what I say


PHONY!!!!!!!!!! PHONY!!!!!!!!!!!PHONY!!!!!!!!!!! lol



Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) may rail against Social Security insolvency in the public eye, but that hasn't stopped him from accepting the government checks.
The libertarian-leaning Republican and former presidential candidate admitted Wednesday that he accepts Social Security checks just minutes after he called for younger generations to wean themselves off the program, in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."


Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitutional
 
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Another typical right libertarian who opens his mouth wide to scream about all the injustices of living in a society such as ours but more than eager and willing to partake and enjoy the benefits of the same.

Ron Paul is scum.
 
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This bolsters my earlier point about Ron Paul not being the leader the Libertarians need to break the duopoly of the two party system.

If you talk the talk, you must walk the walk.
 
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Am I the only one here that thinks he is not being hypocritical at all here? He doesn't like the system, but if he has been forced to pay into it, I find no problem with him getting the funds back when they are due to him.

And when he talks about weening young people off of it, he isn't talking about not getting the money that is owed to them, he only means that you should plan your retirement as if social security won't be there for you, which isn't terrible advice. SS is not meant to serve as someone's main source of income during retirement.
 
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bwahahaha.

some people are so simplistic, it isn't worth the time to debate with them.

he also speaks for term limits, yet has been in office for ever.

and don't forget about all the pork projects he sends to his district.

clearly the most hypocritical person in office/sarcasm
 
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Am I the only one here that thinks he is not being hypocritical at all here? He doesn't like the system, but if he has been forced to pay into it, I find no problem with him getting the funds back when they are due to him.

And when he talks about weening young people off of it, he isn't talking about not getting the money that is owed to them, he only means that you should plan your retirement as if social security won't be there for you, which isn't terrible advice. SS is not meant to serve as someone's main source of income during retirement.

these people don't care.

they are political actors, nothing more.
 
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I think it's great advice. But having a position like that requires one to take a stand in it's defense. Something that Dr. Paul, sadly, evidently isn't willing to do.
 
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This bolsters my earlier point about Ron Paul not being the leader the Libertarians need to break the duopoly of the two party system.

If you talk the talk, you must walk the walk.



You hit the nail on the head...all these teaparty far righters in the house that scream and yell about cutting the dificit and MORE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH and we have to cut entitlements...are all sucking the govt Teat....has ANY of them taken a pay cut...has any of them reduced their benefits...have any of them reduced their pension and all the house benefits....NO not one iota...they are all dispicable phonies
 
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Am I the only one here that thinks he is not being hypocritical at all here? He doesn't like the system, but if he has been forced to pay into it, I find no problem with him getting the funds back when they are due to him.

And when he talks about weening young people off of it, he isn't talking about not getting the money that is owed to them, he only means that you should plan your retirement as if social security won't be there for you, which isn't terrible advice. SS is not meant to serve as someone's main source of income during retirement.


Thats exactly what I expected to hear from his supporters....HES A PHONY...if he meant all they yapping he does...he would have had a press conference when he came of age to collect social security and said I will only collect till I get what I paid on back...hes been collecting it for at least 12 yrs...hes full of it
 
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Meh typical. Ayn Rand a heavy smoker took medicare after she developed lung cancer.
 
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I don't see the hypocrisy of working within the system, while calling for the system to be changed. If you are forced to pay into the system, why aren't you entitled to get some money back? I love these types of arguments that some many on the left make. People attack libertarians and other economic right-wingers for using certain government-provided services. They completely ignore the fact that most of these right-wingers aren't opposed to the services themselves, just the government involvement in them. These people then point out to some libertarian driving on a public road, act like there's no such thing as crowding out, and then high-five as if they proved something. It's entertaining every time.
 
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Obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthy, but he did not pay one cent over what he was required to pay.

it is exactly the same scenario.

If Obama gets his way, he will have to pay more taxes, but until then, he isn't going to do it on his own.

So is Obama a hypocrite?
 
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I don't see the hypocrisy of working within the system, while calling for the system to be changed. If you are forced to pay into the system, why aren't you entitled to get some money back? I love these types of arguments that some many on the left make. People attack libertarians and other economic right-wingers for using certain government-provided services. They completely ignore the fact that most of these right-wingers aren't opposed to the services themselves, just the government involvement in them. These people then point out to some libertarian driving on a public road, act like there's no such thing as crowding out, and then high-five as if they proved something. It's entertaining every time.


Of course you dont...your lean is libertarian....sorry buddy Paul is a phony just like every benefit sucking taxpayer money sucking far righter in the house...Like Paul Ryan, DeMint and Norquist...total utter phonies...I have zero respect for any of them.
 
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Of course you dont...your lean is libertarian....sorry buddy Paul is a phony just like every benefit sucking taxpayer money sucking far righter in the house...Like Paul Ryan, DeMint and Norquist...total utter phonies...I have zero respect for any of them.

every human being is a phony using this idiotic method of determining it
 
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Of course you dont...your lean is libertarian....sorry buddy Paul is a phony just like every benefit sucking taxpayer money sucking far righter in the house...Like Paul Ryan, DeMint and Norquist...total utter phonies...I have zero respect for any of them.

How are they sucking up taxpayer money when they are also taxpayers?
 
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I can see a phony from a mile way, Ron Paul isn’t one of them.

A good example of a phony is a person on this forum that used to claim he was conservative, until the tea party ruined it all

Yet when you look into his post history, you see he absolutely hated Reagan too, and has never said anything truly positive about any conservatives. So all that time he was claiming to be conservative was just a game. He is a political actor. A liar. a phony.

He is also the thread op.
 
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How are they sucking up taxpayer money when they are also taxpayers?

Go do a search...on the pay and BENEFITS and perks congressmen an women get...have you seen them cut theirs....after one term they get a pension for the REST OF THEIR LIFE and health benefits...and those suckers are going to rail against SS and medicare for people that worked 45 yrs for it and were forced to pay into it and then WHINE they need more tax cuts...lol...yeah Ok
 
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What nonsense. Are you suggesting that Ron Paul should turn down money offered him, that he is legally entitled to, under current law? Perhaps you will explain why Obama does not voluntarily pay the "Clinton" FIT rate that he so vehemently asserts is "fair"? Perhaps you will explain why Buffet does not voluntarily pay the "Buffet" FIT capital gains rate that he so vehemently asserts is "fair"? Perhaps it is only logical that people will continue to obey the current law, even while suggesting that the current law be changed. Has Ron Paul EVER said that his desired SS policy changes would apply to ANY current retirees? Hmm...
 
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Thats exactly what I expected to hear from his supporters....HES A PHONY...if he meant all they yapping he does...he would have had a press conference when he came of age to collect social security and said I will only collect till I get what I paid on back...hes been collecting it for at least 12 yrs...hes full of it

Dude, I'm not a supporter. I like the guy at times, he seems genuine, but alot of his ideas are ****ing crazy. I'd never vote for him as president because I don't agree with many of his views.

Regardless, for the reasons I've already clearly stated, I don't think he's being a hypocrite. He thinks social security doesn't belong, but he's already paid into it so he should get what is owed to him.
 
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Go do a search...on the pay and BENEFITS and perks congressmen an women get...have you seen them cut theirs....after one term they get a pension for the REST OF THEIR LIFE and health benefits...and those suckers are going to rail against SS and medicare for people that worked 45 yrs for it and were forced to pay into it and then WHINE they need more tax cuts...lol...yeah Ok

I know full well what benefits Congresspeople get. I also like how you point how people who pay into the system for decades are entitled to some of that money. I feel that as long as you have to pay into the system, you are entitled to some benefits from that system. This opposition to SS and Medicare is not based upon a callous disregard for the poor and elderly, but out of a genuine belief that the system itself needs to be changed and ordinary people would benefit from it.
 
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Also what of these "hypocrites" like Warren Buffet that call for higher taxes on the rich, but do everything they can to legally pay the lowest rate possible?
 
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Dude, I'm not a supporter. I like the guy at times, he seems genuine, but alot of his ideas are ****ing crazy. I'd never vote for him as president because I don't agree with many of his views.

Regardless, for the reasons I've already clearly stated, I don't think he's being a hypocrite. He thinks social security doesn't belong, but he's already paid into it so he should get what is owed to him.

he continues to pay into it too as he is still employed
 
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he continues to pay into it too as he is still employed

Yea, I wasn't sure how that worked for seniors, if they still had to pay into it or not.

Regardless, he paid into it even though he's against it, he should get his money owed to him even if he's against it. That is not hypocritical.
 
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This situation is not surprising. What he says and what he does are not necessarily the same thing upon closer inspection.

When it comes to the nation's fiscal deficits, Ron Paul has asserted that he has never voted for a budget that has a deficit. Technically that's accurate. In substance, he's contributed. He has been very active in inserting earmarks into those bills. In other words, he has been active in allocating appropriations that contribute to the nation's deficits. He has merely voted against the bills even as he has helped divide the spending to create the impression of "fiscal sainthood" so to speak. One can't have his cake and eat it, too.

When it came to the financial crisis, he loudly and frequently condemned extraordinary measures as TARP. However, he proposed not even a single alternative. It's easy to criticize the effort of others when one isn't offering something of one's own that might well be subject to similar scrutiny.

In short, I am not at all surprised that he receives Social Security. I also fully expect that he receives Medicare, too.

In the end, the proverbial emperor is naked. However, one should not expect Paul's fervent supporters to see any flaws of any kind in their "prophet." However, the reality is that Ron Paul is just another political leader. He does not deserve to be exalted above all the rest. His actions are not extraordinary.
 
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Libertarians ALREADY have a bad rap as 'crazies' or hypocrites. This sort of thing just reinforces that misconception. Paul is the face of the Libertarian movement and he, above all others, must present a consistent message.
 
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