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The Victims of Voter ID Laws

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Last year, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker passed a law requiring citizens to show identification at the polls. While two state judges have blocked the law from going into effect, if the injunction is lifted the law would likely disenfranchise thousands of voters. The Center for American Progress visited the state during the contentious recall election to investigate.​
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The Victims of Voter ID Laws - YouTube

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.0007% (.007% cant remember which one). Wow.. These type of laws might do more harm than good!

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The only people who would be disenfranchised are illegals and those too stupid to go down to the DMV and get a ID.A ID is cheap and is required for getting a job,cashing a check, getting a loan, and many other things.
 
jamesrage said:
The only people who would be disenfranchised are illegals and those too stupid to go down to the DMV and get a ID.A ID is cheap and is required for getting a job,cashing a check, getting a loan, and many other things.
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That is true, for sure, even the libtards KNOW that. What you need to examine is WHY allowing a person to vote WITHOUT postive ID, defining not only who they are but where they live, allowing them to vote as ANYONE who they SAY that they are, and thus as many times as they can supply a name/address combination, that matches the voter registration records, is good or fair? IMHO, it is to allow the manufacturing of votes, that libtards SWEAR is not happening, to continue unchallenged. ;-)
 
I have been asked for a photo ID to Vote long before either State I have lived in every passed a law about, it is just common sense for the workers at a polling place to verify who you are.

Like the video, I am sure there might be one or two with the 95 year old ladies problem, but the laws and enforcement of the are for the better good of all.

In California 232 dead people votes in one election

In Florida 600 dead people votes in one election

In New york 2,600 dead people voted

The list goes on, someone voted instead of the dead people because a photo ID was not required

So Yes, I support have a Photo ID to vote
 
Snake_Plissken said:
I have been asked for a photo ID to Vote long before either State I have lived in every passed a law about, it is just common sense for the workers at a polling place to verify who you are.

Like the video, I am sure there might be one or two with the 95 year old ladies problem, but the laws and enforcement of the are for the better good of all.

In California 232 dead people votes in one election

In Florida 600 dead people votes in one election

In New york 2,600 dead people voted

The list goes on, someone voted instead of the dead people because a photo ID was not required

So Yes, I support have a Photo ID to vote
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Can we see a cite for these particular allegations???

Better yet, who cares??? . 600 bad datapoints out of 8,000,000 people voting (Florida, the only state on that list that matters)? You have to be joking (or worse)? Do you think any database is that accurate? This is your idea of how the government should spend its money? Let's not even discuss that 600 voters that also appeared on the rolls of the deceased must mean 600 dead people voted (the opposite is far more likely true, given the guy voted, he probably isn't dead and the other side of the record is in error...and there was a guy on the voting rolls that did not vote, because he was dead.... in otherwords, the problem is the cross-links are incorrect.) Let's not even discuss the draconian penalties for fraudulently voting, which would dissuade anyone with half a brain trying it, but no one in their right mind would try to effect the outcome of an election by encouraging ineligible voters to vote, its incredibly impractical (it is a conspiracy that involves too many people playing for too low a stake with too big a penalty). The whole thing is utter, utter nonsense and not really believed by anyone with a real brain.

Why must we be so disingenuous? If we want to argue Fox News or MSNBC talking points, why not just post on those websites? We should all raise our standard of discourse and cut through the BS to discuss really issues; intelligently and with original points.

Sorry, but I find it very hard to believe that any clear thinking individual actually believes there is a voter fraud problem, or believes that purging the over 100,000 persons from the voter roles of one state is a just action to remedy some 62 cases of voter fraud found nationwide over 3 years (or, if what you say is true that 600 dead people voted in Florida)

DOJ says it will sue Florida over voting rolls purge - CNN
States Like Florida Disenfranchise Americans in Name of 'Fraud' | Debate Club | US News Opinion

Let's get real, Republicans do not want, nor have they every wanted broad participation in elections... it just does not favor them.

Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote" (Goo Goo) - YouTube

The real voter fraud problem is being perpetrated by state governments on its citizens by implementing a solution for which there is no known problem and in the process denying certain citizens their right to participate in election process. I get that each state has broad rights to set eligibility requirements...so what? Using that has an excuse to rationalize wholesale voter suppression is a rationalization.... and for intelligent people to hide behind this rationalization is disingenuous.

Let's all get real and realize this whole thing is a political game... the Repubs like low turnout, the Dems want to register as many voters as possible. Great, both sides play this game and argue it to their advantage. Everyone on this board with an IQ north of 100 knows this. Its time to stop being a parrot for your favorite political position and have adult discussions. We ALL know the emperor has no clothes. Its the silly people on Fox and MSNBC that choose to waste their time discussing the colors of the emperor's garments.
 
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upsideguy said:
Can we see a cite for these particular allegations..... even without a cite, this is hardly a problem. 600 people out of 8,000,000 people voting (Florida, the only state on that list that matters) ???? you have to be kidding. Who cares? This is your idea of how the government should spend its money?
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How does requiring an a picture ID cost the government money? And why is having a picture ID only an unbearable burden when it comes to voting and not buying alcohol, or cigarettes, or boarding an airplane?
 
Fletch said:
How does requiring an a picture ID cost the government money? And why is having a picture ID only an unbearable burden when it comes to voting and not buying alcohol, or cigarettes, or boarding an airplane?
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1) Its totally unnecessary (I thought conservatives were against unnecessary regulations) and
2) boarding a plane, buying alcohol and buying cigarettes are privileges; voting is a right. You do not put barriers in front of rights, certainly not without due cause... which has never been even remotely demonstrated.

Again, this is a political ploy. Anyone that "thinks" otherwise is most likely being disingenuous.

BTW... my arguments about 'cost" had nothing to do with the requirement of the ID, but has everything to do with the all of the superfluous debate on the issue and the various initiatives to cull voter rolls and the legal costs of defending the actions do so.... its all much (including $$$) about nothing (except that we all know really what it is about, and its time for intelligent people on this site to stop being shills for this nonsense).
 
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1) Its totally unnecessary (I thought conservatives were against unnecessary regulations)
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??? Unnecessary??? Requiring proof that you are who you say you are at a voting booth is unnecessary???
2) boarding a plane, buying alcohol and buying cigarettes are privileges; voting is a right.
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Explain how you have determined this.

Again, this is a political ploy. Anyone that "thinks" otherwise is most likely being disingenuous.
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Now this I agree with. It is a political ploy, except it is the left that is engaged in it. Requiring an ID at a voting booth is completely rational. The only logical reason to oppose it is because you know it will limit your sides ability to cheat.
 
jamesrage said:
The only people who would be disenfranchised are illegals and those too stupid to go down to the DMV and get a ID.A ID is cheap and is required for getting a job,cashing a check, getting a loan, and many other things.
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Really, you had to show an ID when applying for a job? I've never had to. And I mean jobs in the legal field. Where there's millions of dollars at stake, not just burned fries. What jobs did you have to show an ID to apply for?

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Explain how you have determined this.
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The Voting Rights Act of 1965
 
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Paschendale said:
Really, you had to show an ID when applying for a job? I've never had to. And I mean jobs in the legal field. Where there's millions of dollars at stake, not just burned fries. What jobs did you have to show an ID to apply for?
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Not applying for a job, getting a job. People don't usually get every job they apply for, after all.

I'm assuming you've been at the same job since before 1986, then?

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 required that all new hires provide proof of their identity as well as elgibility to work in the United States. Proof of identity must then be documented on the I-9 form and signed by both the employee and the manager or HR person. It's the law.

I find it very, very difficult to believe that employers in the legal field regulary break the law, so congratulations on your career longevity.

USCIS - I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification
 
The Obama campaign has been so psyched out by Romney infiltrators at their events they have resorted to checking IDs at the door. They want to allow people to vote without ID but you can't get into an Obama for President rally without ID. What's more important? Insuring only registered, legit citizens get to vote or protecting Obama from getting heckled or asked a tough question?

President Barack Obama's presidential campaign checked the identification of the supporters attending Obama's "framing" event at Cuyahoga Community College today.

The 1,500 supporters in attendance picked up tickets at campaign offices in Northeast Ohio beginning on Monday, though tickets to the event made no mention of an ID requirement.

Jessica Kershaw, the Obama campaign's Ohio Press Secretary, confirmed in a statement to BuzzFeed that the campaign checked every supporter's identification at the door.

"We checked every ID at the door to make sure it matched with the name on the ticket that supporters filled out," she said. "We did this for every person who came in."
Obama Campaign Checks IDs At The Door
 
GJ Flash said:
[...] The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 required that all new hires provide proof of their identity as well as elgibility to work in the United States. Proof of identity must then be documented on the I-9 form and signed by both the employee and the manager or HR person. It's the law.

I find it very, very difficult to believe that employers in the legal field regulary break the law, so congratulations on your career longevity.

USCIS - I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification
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Trouble is, ID that is acceptable for the I-9 is insufficient for some new state ID laws.

For example, a school photo ID plus a Social Security card is sufficient for the I-9. It is insufficient in:
* Georgia,
* Indiana,
* Mississippi (new law awaiting USDOJ approval),
* South Carolina,
* Tennessee,
* Texas (new law awaiting USDOJ approval).

Red states all. So... what's good enough to get you a job by federal standards is not good enough to get you into the voting booth in some red states (with more coming, I'd imagine, as soon as the lobbyist-funded ALEC gets back to work).

Voter ID: State Requirements
 
jerry7 said:
The Obama campaign has been so psyched out by Romney infiltrators at their events they have resorted to checking IDs at the door. [...]
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You want them to let the hecklers in so they can shout down the president while he's giving a speech? Really?

The latest right wing shenanigans -- like the Rose Garden heckler -- show just how immature their ideology really is. But please, I'm sure there is a thread or six on this somewhere here, please go find one of those threads and don't derail this one.
 
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Karl said:
You want them to let the hecklers in so they can shout down the president while he's giving a speech? Really?

The latest right wing shenanigans -- like the Rose Garden heckler -- show just how immature their ideology really is. But please, I'm sure there is a thread or six on this somewhere here, please go find one of those threads and don't derail this one.
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I've yet to see a Romney supporter heckle Obama while he's giiving a speech. But were you upset when homosexuals were heckling Obama speeches prior to repeal of DADT? They proved that he can't take any heat, BO totally caved. And if you want to discuss immature ideology nothing compares to the crowd at Obama's inauguration serenading President Bush with their chants of "na, na, na, hey, hey, hey...goodbye". Real classy crowd.
 
Let's get real, Republicans do not want, nor have they every wanted broad participation in elections... it just does not favor them.
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Id examine the turnout in Wisconsin and the result before you say that.

Republicans showed up record numbers, as did Dems. Barrett still lost.

That would make you wrong. It also makes your narrative wrong. Trot on back to the DNC and get a new one.
 
Karl said:
Trouble is, ID that is acceptable for the I-9 is insufficient for some new state ID laws.

For example, a school photo ID plus a Social Security card is sufficient for the I-9. It is insufficient in:
* Georgia,
* Indiana,
* Mississippi (new law awaiting USDOJ approval),
* South Carolina,
* Tennessee,
* Texas (new law awaiting USDOJ approval).

Red states all. So... what's good enough to get you a job by federal standards is not good enough to get you into the voting booth in some red states (with more coming, I'd imagine, as soon as the lobbyist-funded ALEC gets back to work).

Voter ID: State Requirements
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Are you ****ing daft?
From your own source under acceptable forms of ID under new legislation:
GEORGIA
Georgia driver’s license, even if expired
ID card issued by the state of Georgia or the federal government
Free voter ID card issued by the state or county
U.S. passport
Valid employee ID card containing a photograph from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
Valid U.S. military identification card
Valid tribal photo ID
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INDIANA
Specific forms of ID are not listed in statute. ID must be issued by the state of Indiana or the U.S. government and must show the following:
Name of individual to whom it was issued, which must conform to the individual's registration record
Photo of the person to whom it was issued
Expiration date (if it is expired, it must have an expiration date after the most recent general election; military IDs are exempted from the requirement that ID bear an expiration date)
Must be issued by the United States or the state of Indiana
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MISSISSIPPI
Mississippi's new constitutional amendment simply says "government-issued photo identification." Implementing legislation and/or administrative rules will be necessary to define precisely what this means.
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SOUTH CAROLINA
South Carolina driver's license
Other form of photo ID issued by the SC Dept. of Motor Vehicles
Passport
Military ID bearing a photo issued by the federal government
South Carolina voter registration card with a photo
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TENNESSEE
TN driver’s license
Valid photo ID card issued by any state
Valid photo ID license issued by TN Dept. of Safety
Valid U.S. passport
Valid U.S. military ID with photo
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TEXAS
Driver's license
Election identification certificate
Dept. of Public Safety personal ID card
U.S. military ID
U.S. citizenship certificate
U.S. passport
License to carry a concealed handgun issued by the Dept. of Public Safety

All of the above must include a photo of the voter. With the exception of the certificate of citizenship, these forms of ID cannot be expired, or cannot have expired more than 60 days before the election.
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Either you didnt read your own source or you are completely full of it. Or possibly both.
 
When buying a gun at any registered gun dealer what happens? You need to present valid ID. Owning a gun is a right. So if it is required to show a photo ID in order to buy a gun...why shouldn't a photo ID be required to vote?

And if you don't think that illegals vote you may want to rethink that...

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I dont see a problem with Showing ID to vote...what I have a problem with is whos pushing it and why and why after all these 200 yrs.
What rick scott is doing is not voter id...its voter purge and purge as many of the opposition as he can...Im against what hes doing and the way hes doing it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:




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.0007% (.007% cant remember which one). Wow.. These type of laws might do more harm than good!

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You should already have an ID anyway, to work, to drive, to have a home....so pulling it out at the entrance to a poll isn't a big deal. Even my 8 & 11y/o sons have state issued IDs. Adults have no excuse.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is true, for sure, even the libtards KNOW that. What you need to examine is WHY allowing a person to vote WITHOUT postive ID, defining not only who they are but where they live, allowing them to vote as ANYONE who they SAY that they are, and thus as many times as they can supply a name/address combination, that matches the voter registration records, is good or fair? IMHO, it is to allow the manufacturing of votes, that libtards SWEAR is not happening, to continue unchallenged. ;-)
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Department of Voter Registration
CITY OF NEW YORK
VOTER LICENSE APPLICATION SECTION LICENSE DIVISION ROOM 110A
INSTRUCTIONS TO ALL VOTER LICENSE APPLICANTS


The attached application MUST be type written and signed. Only the original application will be accepted. DO NOT SUBMIT A PHOTOCOPY. The application must be completely filled out and presented by you personally at the Voter Licensing Division.

At the time you submit your application, you must furnish the items listed below that are applicable to you. You must submit original copies of certificates, licenses, etc. In addition, a legible photocopy of each item submitted must accompany the original or certified copy. (A copy certified by the issuing agency as true and complete is also acceptable in lieu of the original.) Your application will not be accepted without producing the required documents.

1. Fees. Two (2) separate fees are required. These are payable by certified check, bank check, money order or
credit card. All fees are non-refundable.
– $340.00 - Made payable to New York City Department of Voter Registration
– $ 91.50 - Made payable to New York City Department of Voter Registration


2. Photographs. Two (2) recent color photographs of yourself. They should measure 1½ x 1½ inches and show you from the chest up. Do not wear any article of clothing or adornment that obscures your facial features.


3. Birth Certificate. In lieu of your birth certificate, some other proof of your birth date, e.g., a military record, U.S. passport or baptismal certificate, must be submitted.


4. Proof of Citizenship/Alien Registration. If you were born outside the United States, you must submit your naturalization papers or evidence of citizenship if derived from your parents. All other applicants born outside the United States must submit their Alien Registration Card. If you have lived in this country less than 7 years you must submit a good conduct certificate from your country of origin.


5. Military Discharge. If you served in the armed forces of the United States, you must submit your separation papers (DD 214) and your discharge.


6. Proof of Residence. You must submit proof of your present address. Proof may consist of, but is not limited to, a real estate tax bill, ownership shares in a cooperative or condominium, or a lease. You may also be requested to supply further documentation, i.e., a New York State Driver’s License, a New York State Income Tax Return, a Utility Bill, etc.


7. A.) Arrest Information: If you were ever arrested, indicted or summonsed (other than parking violations) for any reason you must answer Yes to question-23 and submit a certificate of disposition showing the offense and the disposition. Also, you must submit a detailed statement describing the circumstances surrounding each arrest. YOU MUST DO THIS EVEN IF: the case was dismissed, the record sealed or the case nullified by operation of law. The New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services will report to The Department of Voter Registration every instance involving the arrest of an applicant. DO NOT rely on anyone’s representation that you need not list a previous arrest because it was sealed. If you were ever convicted or pleaded guilty to a felony, or a serious offense as defined in Penal Law Section 265.00(17), an original Certificate of Relief from Disabilities must be submitted.


B.) Summons Information: If you have received a summons for other than a parking violation you must answer
Yes to question-23. You must list the violation and disposition for each summons received.


C.) Order of Protection: If you have ever had an Order of Protection or Restraining Order issued against you, or issued on your behalf against anyone, you must list the following information: Court of Issuance; Complainant’s or Respondent/Defendant’s name, including address and phone number; Complainant’s or Respondent/
Defendant’s relationship to you; Reason for issuance of Order of Protection or Restraining Order.


8. Letter of Necessity. All applicants for a Voter License and those seeking an opinion license for use in connection with their religious views MUST complete the Letter of Necessity found on page 3 of the application. NO SUBSTITUTES WILL BE ACCEPTED.


9. You must bring your original social security card when you apply.
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Instructions to Voter License Applicants
 
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You present this NYC madness as having to do with voting, yet it seems to be an application for a handgun permit, since I am sure that it is ILLEGAL to charge $431.50 to register to vote per the 24th amendment to our constitution. Only the 2nd amendment may be "infringed" by the states/cities, all other constitutional rights must be free, based on the current libtard "logic".
 
TheDemSocialist said:
These type of laws might do more harm than good!
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With the current state of the American voting public ANY reduction in the number of people allowed to vote can only be classified as a good thing. When you're talking about bacteria, reducing it by 99% is always a good thing, even when you're getting rid of the good with the bad.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You present this NYC madness as having to do with voting, yet it seems to be an application for a handgun permit, since I am sure that it is ILLEGAL to charge $431.50 to register to vote per the 24th amendment to our constitution. Only the 2nd amendment may be "infringed" by the states/cities, all other constitutional rights must be free, based on the current libtard "logic".
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I present perspective.

Look at the madness NYC requires to exercise one specifically enumerated constitutionally protected right, and compare that to our request that you simply flash your ID at the door when you go to exercise another.

I've already modified the same PDF for later use in an abortion thread.
 
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