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Judge: OWS Protesters Wrongfully Arrested On Brooklyn Bridge

Tigger said:
If they're paying me enough and/or I feel the cause is sufficiently good, none whatsoever.



If you say so.



I believe in laws. I also believe in a JUSTICE system (which is not what the US has currently) and that Vigilanteeism is more than acceptable when the law does not or will not step in to make things right. If the JUSTICE system does not work, or does not exist, then the laws are worthless. What's the point in having a speed limit when nobody follows it and nobody ever gets truly punished for not following it? Laws without consequences are worthless.
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Sounds like you would be happier living outside of society. Why are you still here?
 
Catawba said:
Sounds like you would be happier living outside of society. Why are you still here?
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Mostly because I have physical conditions that limit my ability to live outside of society. That is not to say that I am a member of mainstream society. I rarely go out to social events or places/events where there are large numbers of people. I keep a small, close-knit group of trusted friends and rarely deal with others.
 
Tigger said:
Mostly because I have physical conditions that limit my ability to live outside of society. That is not to say that I am a member of mainstream society. I rarely go out to social events or places/events where there are large numbers of people. I keep a small, close-knit group of trusted friends and rarely deal with others.
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So you are dependent on the society that you rail against? How ironic is that?
 
Catawba said:
So you are dependent on the society that you rail against?
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No. I'm reliant on the MEDICAL COMMUNITY. Unfortunately I am reliant on the availability of certain medications and emergency medical services due to complications of a birth defect I have. Thankfully this reliance is fairly minimal at the moment, but it could become considerable at almost any time.

I don't get any form of government assistance or anything like that. The moment I have to, I have 230 grains of copper jacketed medicine on my dresser to remedy the situation.
 
Tigger said:
No. I'm reliant on the MEDICAL COMMUNITY. Unfortunately I am reliant on the availability of certain medications and emergency medical services due to complications of a birth defect I have. Thankfully this reliance is fairly minimal at the moment, but it could become considerable at almost any time.

I don't get any form of government assistance or anything like that. The moment I have to, I have 230 grains of copper jacketed medicine on my dresser to remedy the situation.
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That is rich!!! Not your medical condition, I don't wish bad health on anyone, but the fact that you have no use for society but cannot live without it. The irony is sublime!
 
Catawba said:
That is rich!!! Not your medical condition, I don't wish bad health on anyone, but the fact that you have no use for society but cannot live without it. The irony is sublime!
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It's not society I can't live without. It's the medical community. In fact I go out of my way to avoid as much of modern society as I can.
 
Tigger said:
I tend to doubt the OWSers would see any point in gun ownership. I mean, they're the fruity, crunchy types who believe in Peace, Free Love, and Equality.
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I believe in the basic principals those items were founded on as well as their right to express it. If they're as harmless as you make them out to be, why does it bother you so much?

The ones I've run into (in several MA and CT cities) have been the sort of people I generally classify one way.... prey animals. They're not the predator type. That's one of the things I find as disgusting about OWS as I do about the Tea Party.... none of them are actually willing to DO SOMETHING about what they believe in.
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Mass protest is doing something about what they believe in. I don't agree with what they believe in, but I strongly believe in their right to say it.
 
Tigger said:
LOL. You think that any of the OWS crew would own a gun? Most probably have a pot conviction on their record which ensures they can't legally carry a concealed weapon in every state I'm aware of.
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How many of them do you really suppose have never been caught with anything much worse than pot? Marijuana is bad enough, but it's apparent, from looking at most of the Occutards, that a great many of them are very likely on much harder drugs than that.
 
Lokiate said:
I believe in the basic principals those items were founded on as well as their right to express it. If they're as harmless as you make them out to be, why does it bother you so much?
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Because they're a waste of time and energy which could be better used for other things.

Lokiate said:
Mass protest is doing something about what they believe in. I don't agree with what they believe in, but I strongly believe in their right to say it.
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No it's not. Standing around and shouting about something is not going to change anything. 10,000 polite Tea Partiers (the opposite side of the OWS coin) in DC last summer and nothing changed. 10,000 ARMED Tea Partiers in DC, doing something about the problem would likely have led to some changes.
 
Tigger said:
It's not society I can't live without. It's the medical community. In fact I go out of my way to avoid as much of modern society as I can.
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Yeah its funny that you think the medical community can sustain itself and you without society. I needed a good laugh, thanks!

I will never be able to take you serious after this.
 
All right ignoring riggers craziness no one has been able to point out where OWS would get the right to block commerce? As wall as why occupy is at all protected by the first amendment and by that I mean the camps not the speech.
 
Yeah, walking in a roadway has always been a lawful thing to do. So the message, you can get away with breaking the law as long as you are protesting against something, especially against rich guys on Wall Street.
 
jambalaya said:
Yeah, walking in a roadway has always been a lawful thing to do. So the message, you can get away with breaking the law as long as you are protesting against something, especially against rich guys on Wall Street.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
Tigger said:
Because they're a waste of time and energy which could be better used for other things.



No it's not. Standing around and shouting about something is not going to change anything. 10,000 polite Tea Partiers (the opposite side of the OWS coin) in DC last summer and nothing changed. 10,000 ARMED Tea Partiers in DC, doing something about the problem would likely have led to some changes.
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Are you suggesting armed conflict in America? BTW the result would have been 10,000 arrests possibly some deaths and the end of the Tea Party. Not to bright if you ask me.
 
YoungConserv said:
All right ignoring riggers craziness no one has been able to point out where OWS would get the right to block commerce? As wall as why occupy is at all protected by the first amendment and by that I mean the camps not the speech.
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The First Amendment allows the right to Peaceable Assembly.
 
Lokiate said:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Nypd is not congress, so unless you believe in full incorporation and there is no free speech clause in ny constitution it's perfectly fine to do what they did.
 
YoungConserv said:
Nypd is not congress, so unless you believe in full incorporation and there is no free speech clause in ny constitution it's perfectly fine to do what they did.
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my rights end where they conflict with your rights.

of course its illegal to block someone's way to a store, abortion clinic, school, church, etc.

but its not immoral as long as your are peaceful about it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
They must allow people to disperse before making arrests. They usually give 3 or 4 disperse announcement before making a arrest at protests.
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Or sometimes none.
 
Thunder said:
my rights end where they conflict with your rights.

of course its illegal to block someone's way to a store, abortion clinic, school, church, etc.

but its not immoral as long as your are peaceful about it.
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Intentionally blocking another person to prevent him from going about his own business is inherently unpeaceful. There is no way to do such a thing while being “peaceful about it”.
 
Catawba said:
Yeah its funny that you think the medical community can sustain itself and you without society. I needed a good laugh, thanks!
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If there was a way to get those medications and services without ANY involvement in society, I'd have been up for it a long time ago. I personally see them as two separate entities. They're associated with each other but not tied together anywhere near as much as you suggest.

FreedomFromAll said:
Are you suggesting armed conflict in America? BTW the result would have been 10,000 arrests possibly some deaths and the end of the Tea Party. Not to bright if you ask me.
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I am suggesting that you can tell what a Man truly believes in by what he is willing to Kill and Die for. There aren't 10,000 state, local, and federal LEO's in Washington DC, so I'm not sure how you expect there would have been 10,000 arrests and very few deaths.
 
How does right to assemble= we can occupy?
 
Tigger said:
If there was a way to get those medications and services without ANY involvement in society, I'd have been up for it a long time ago. I personally see them as two separate entities. They're associated with each other but not tied together anywhere near as much as you suggest.
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Of course you don't see them as the same, if you did it would be hypocritical of you. However, that "medical service" they provide is done by people who have taken the "Hippocratic Oathe" which is something you don't believe in. Therefore you are essential reliant on life by those you despise because without those horrible immoral people, you'd be dead.

Tigger said:
I am suggesting that you can tell what a Man truly believes in by what he is willing to Kill and Die for. There aren't 10,000 state, local, and federal LEO's in Washington DC, so I'm not sure how you expect there would have been 10,000 arrests and very few deaths.
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They can arrest multiple people at the same time. Ever see a paddy wagon at a bar from a bar fight?
 
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