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Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

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Yes im sure foreign companies and the rich will either just give up their companies, and im sure its just that easy especially in a country like Venezuela.
Well, that was sort of my point. People like yourself who want public control of corporations, lack the ability to create such corporations. So you steal them from those who possess the drive, the ability and the virtue you lack. The socialist is not a creator, but a parasite. Which, incidentally, is why socialism is such a failure.
 
"Have you ever heard this slogan? "No Army is Revolutionary" Hugo Chavez is putting large amounts of money into Venezuela's armed forces. Arms from Russia and so on, and the excuse is that the US might invade. Show me anywhere that shows that we want to invade Venezuela. Sure we have interest in toppling Chavez but no where have we even gave a sign of wanting to occupy Venezuela. Yet Hugo Chavez will go on for hours telling his country about the US wants to take Venezuela. Lol you speak of conspiracy theories while Chavez keeps asserting his own conspiracy theories. Some are just funny some are just as crazy as Castros or like that nut in Iran."


Iraq/OIL, we invade. Libya/OIL, we invade. Iran/OIL, we threaten to invade. We have a $700 billion per year military offense budget that seems to work for the OIL corporations and you don't think Chavez has cause for concern. I don't think he has purchased enough arms. It's the real world and our Nation starts wars for OIL.. I did talk to a guy that lived in a cave on an island that didn't know about that because his telepathy was detuned by heavy carbon concentrations.
 
How many trillions of dollars has Chavez added to Venezuala's national debt? How many war's around the globe has he intiated? how many countries has he occupied?
 
Iraq/OIL, we invade. Libya/OIL, we invade. Iran/OIL, we threaten to invade. We have a $700 billion per year military offense budget that seems to work for the OIL corporations and you don't think Chavez has cause for concern. I don't think he has purchased enough arms. It's the real world and our Nation starts wars for OIL.. I did talk to a guy that lived in a cave on an island that didn't know about that because his telepathy was detuned by heavy carbon concentrations.
Wow you should have offered that guy a beer.


Yes its all a big conspiracy everything is about oil. Including the reason that Cuba would give a rats ass about Venezuela.
 
Well, that was sort of my point. People like yourself who want public control of corporations, lack the ability to create such corporations. So you steal them from those who possess the drive, the ability and the virtue you lack. The socialist is not a creator, but a parasite. Which, incidentally, is why socialism is such a failure.
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Yep my Fuhrer im a dirty parasite that needs to be re-educated to have that "entrepreneurial spirit" to create a corporation ship jobs to 3rd world countries hoard natural resources and need to learn to exploit the lesser 3rd world citizens and pay them ****ty wages and export all profits out of that 3rd world country. And then when those parasitic socialists come to power and nationalize the resources that i once "owned" and nationalize and give the profits to the people to fund social and national campaigns I should go to and report to my fellow corporate ran media stations that this socialist guy is actually a dictator and "stole my resources" and is evil. Then i should hit up my CIA buddies and say hey this guy sucks he is taking away my profits maybe we should support a coup against this democratically elected and popular "dictator" who just happens to be a socialist and we should support a violent coup against him!

Now who the **** is that "parasite"?
 
In the end we are all human. I wonder if power hunger Chavez will have a change of heart and gain some humility now that he must realize his mortality.
 
In the end we are all human. I wonder if power hunger Chavez will have a change of heart and gain some humility now that he must realize his mortality.

Power hungry? He didnt think he was mortal? :roll:
 
Power hungry? He didnt think he was mortal? :roll:

I never said that I believe Chavez thinks he isn't mortal. What I am saying is that maybe realizing his mortality will built some humility in him because he is power hungry.
 
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Yep my Fuhrer im a dirty parasite that needs to be re-educated to have that "entrepreneurial spirit" to create a corporation ship jobs to 3rd world countries hoard natural resources and need to learn to exploit the lesser 3rd world citizens and pay them ****ty wages and export all profits out of that 3rd world country. And then when those parasitic socialists come to power and nationalize the resources that i once "owned" and nationalize and give the profits to the people to fund social and national campaigns I should go to and report to my fellow corporate ran media stations that this socialist guy is actually a dictator and "stole my resources" and is evil. Then i should hit up my CIA buddies and say hey this guy sucks he is taking away my profits maybe we should support a coup against this democratically elected and popular "dictator" who just happens to be a socialist and we should support a violent coup against him!

Now who the **** is that "parasite"?
You missed the point of my post completely. If you want worker controlled businesses, then YOU open one. But you dont want to create a busines of your own that you can share with your fellow socialists, you want to confiscate businesses created by others and take them over. Any incompetent can steal at gunpoint, and that is just what socialism does. It is an ideology based entirely on theft. A socialist without a gun is just an unproductive bum.
 
yes, power hungry.

people who seek to rule by decree are, as a rule, power hungry.

People who seek to use a constitutionally, democratically presented power is power hungry?

I guess if you go off that line then i guess every leader is "power hungry".
 
I never said that I believe Chavez thinks he isn't mortal.
That is exactly what i said..

What I am saying is that maybe realizing his mortality will built some humility in him because he is power hungry.
He wasnt humble enough? You know the man personally?
 
You missed the point of my post completely. If you want worker controlled businesses, then YOU open one. But you dont want to create a busines of your own that you can share with your fellow socialists, you want to confiscate businesses created by others and take them over. Any incompetent can steal at gunpoint, and that is just what socialism does. It is an ideology based entirely on theft. A socialist without a gun is just an unproductive bum.

Yep.. I thought socialists hated guns because we are leftists? Make up your talking points people.

And i can tell you have no understanding of the basic fundamentals on how socialism is brought about.
 
Yep.. I thought socialists hated guns because we are leftists? Make up your talking points people.

And i can tell you have no understanding of the basic fundamentals on how socialism is brought about.
Leftists only hate guns in the hands of the people. And socialism is brought about by force. I know, some of you idealists believe it will all be voluntary and the state will wither away, but it might be time to wake up to reality.
 
In the end we are all human. I wonder if power hunger Chavez will have a change of heart and gain some humility now that he must realize his mortality.

I hope that he is. Whatever he has done or left undone, he is a child of God, as are we all.

For Whom the Bell Tolls
by John Donne

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
 
Leftists only hate guns in the hands of the people.
Actually that is not true and vast over-generalization.
I own several fire arms. 2 shotguns, and a .22.
Plus "socialist countries" like Cuba you are allowed to own firearms and is protected under the constitution.

And socialism is brought about by force.
Some socialism yes. Revolutions etc. However we democratic socialists believe it should be brought through the will of the people

I know, some of you idealists believe it will all be voluntary and the state will wither away, but it might be time to wake up to reality.
Yep sure:roll:
 
Actually that is not true and vast over-generalization.
I own several fire arms. 2 shotguns, and a .22.
Plus "socialist countries" like Cuba you are allowed to own firearms and is protected under the constitution.


Some socialism yes. Revolutions etc. However we democratic socialists believe it should be brought through the will of the people


Yep sure:roll:
Venezuela outlawed firearms ammunition altogether. Commercial Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Banned in Venezuela | venezuelanalysis.com

They even have an Commission for Disarmament.

In Venezuela carrying a firearm is legal with a permit; however the commission has previously stated that the government’s citizen security policies are aimed at the eventual disarmament of the civilian population.


Guns in Cuba: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
And in Cuba all "long guns" are banned. A citizen may own a handgun but it is difficult to get a license, since you have to prove to the government that you have a real need for the handgun.
Actual gun ownership in Cuba is very low. Not sure what is protected by their constitution since long guns are illegal. Obviously the reasoning is that the few handguns that are allowed are not enough to stage an revolution with.
 
After reading the Wikipedia article on Hugo Chavez, there's no mention of his supposed death at all. Then I searched "Is Hugo Chavez dead?" on Google, and apparently in April 2012 his dispelled rumors of his death.

So... is there any actual proof he's dead?
 
However we democratic socialists believe it should be brought through the will of the people
But you will never get universal agreement on it however. Even if you were to fashion a majority in support of democratic socialism, say 60%, you would still have 40% of the people opposed. You would have to impose your will upon them by force. In essence, you advocate nothing more than tyranny. In this case, tyranny of the majority. So no matter how benevolent you feel your ideology is, ultimately you will turn to the gun to get what you want.
 
But you will never get universal agreement on it however. Even if you were to fashion a majority in support of democratic socialism, say 60%, you would still have 40% of the people opposed. You would have to impose your will upon them by force. In essence, you advocate nothing more than tyranny. In this case, tyranny of the majority. So no matter how benevolent you feel your ideology is, ultimately you will turn to the gun to get what you want.

Same with any form of government and or lack of government which would be anarchy.

Whether to government ensures your lifestyle although it restricts your choices or a government refuses to do almost anything and leaves you to be potentially destroyed by the world.

Whether government, buisness or organized crime is all force and persuasion and unless you are in favor of total anarchy there will always be a gun making sure you do not commit wrongs.
 
Same with any form of government and or lack of government which would be anarchy.

Whether to government ensures your lifestyle although it restricts your choices or a government refuses to do almost anything and leaves you to be potentially destroyed by the world.

Whether government, buisness or organized crime is all force and persuasion and unless you are in favor of total anarchy there will always be a gun making sure you do not commit wrongs.

Our American Constitution has been in place for a good deal of time in this country. Do you consider those that have no after the fact that do not agree with the Constitution as being forced to conform? Regardless of how you answer that question America is not a Socialist country as of yet, nor has it ever been Socialist. If this country became Socialist it would only happen through force. But I suspect it wouldnt last long though as a Socialist country. And history agrees with me, the only countries that have remained Socialist of any sort have done so by force.

So historically Socialism = forced ideology. In fact in all examples Socialism is intolerant of any other form of government.
 
Our American Constitution has been in place for a good deal of time in this country. Do you consider those that have no after the fact that do not agree with the Constitution as being forced to conform? Regardless of how you answer that question America is not a Socialist country as of yet, nor has it ever been Socialist. If this country became Socialist it would only happen through force. But I suspect it wouldnt last long though as a Socialist country. And history agrees with me, the only countries that have remained Socialist of any sort have done so by force.

So historically Socialism = forced ideology. In fact in all examples Socialism is intolerant of any other form of government.

Not nessacarily so. Many Native American Societies lasted for thousands of years in society complexes that were incredibally similar to socialism. And some countries although not as totally socialistic today still maintain many socialistic properties of their former governments because in reality it worked for them.
 
After reading the Wikipedia article on Hugo Chavez, there's no mention of his supposed death at all. Then I searched "Is Hugo Chavez dead?" on Google, and apparently in April 2012 his dispelled rumors of his death.

So... is there any actual proof he's dead?

Chavez is running for another six year term. He's not dead. Does he really have incurable cancer? He certainly doesn't act like it.

I watched him on Spanish language TV the other day, waving to cheering supporters in Venezuela. I'm wondering about the premise of this thread.

You don't hear a lot about him on the English language TV.
 
Venezuela outlawed firearms ammunition altogether. Commercial Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Banned in Venezuela | venezuelanalysis.com


They even have an Commission for Disarmament.

In Venezuela carrying a firearm is legal with a permit; however the commission has previously stated that the government’s citizen security policies are aimed at the eventual disarmament of the civilian population.
Yes i know this. We have gone over this about 3 times already but Venezuela is not the only country ran by those evil dirty leftists you do realize this correct?

Guns in Cuba: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
And in Cuba all "long guns" are banned. A citizen may own a handgun but it is difficult to get a license, since you have to prove to the government that you have a real need for the handgun.
Yea and the reasons are "
Cuba are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target, shooting, collection, personal protection"
Actual gun ownership in Cuba is very low.
Ok.... Maybe they are not gun hungry?

Not sure what is protected by their constitution since long guns are illegal.
It states that they have the right of struggle through the use of arms.

Obviously the reasoning is that the few handguns that are allowed are not enough to stage an revolution with.
Yes im sure that is exactly what it is. :roll:
 
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