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Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

TurtleDude said:
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The rich pay too much now, until the government proves it can massively go on a diet no one should have to feed it more
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Income disparity is nearly at an all time high, and the rich pay too much right now? Is a 4.6% tax raise on INCOME really too much? Those poor, poor, rich people-misnomer isnt it?
You are right on the point that the government should go on a diet-starting with the largest military budget in the world...
 
TurtleDude said:
and??? if he was good on the issues that mattered to me I would have more use for him.

your issues tend to be taxing the rich more and giving the unions more power. I suspect if there was a dem candidate who was anti union and pro tax payer but reliably dem on abortion, gay rights, environmental stuff, women's issues, you would be less enamored with him or her than if the candidate was pro life, anti gay marriage but a solid Union guy and tax and spend liberal-like say Dinosaur John Dingell, who was well liked by the NRA and not exactly someone the gay lobby flocked to
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You're giving them way to much to comprehend in one post.
 
Thunder said:
its very sad that Republicans call anyone who dares to want to work with Democrats, a RINO.

as if working with Democrats to find some compromise, is a bad thing.

if Republicans think compromise is evil, our nation is finished.
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Was Obamacare and the trillion dollar stimulus a compromise with Republicans? No, and please notice Obama does not talk about his signature accomplishment "Obamacare" nor how his trillion dollar stimulus has did anything for the economy.
 
TurtleDude said:
the dems went back on their promises to cut spending and they castigated Bush as a "liar" or a weakling

anyone who forgets that history is an idiot

and when Reagan raised some taxes, the dems went back on their part of the bargain as well
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Negotiating with Democrats is like negotiating with North Koreans. Good faith is an alien concept.
 
haymarket said:
You pretend to offer compromise but it is a fraud disguised as a sham in the Halloween costume of deceit.

You ask about cutting the budget but then start out exempting Defense - on of the biggest of them all.

You want entitlement reform but I bet you would squeal like a pig if a Democrat said - okay lets compromise by not letting anybody with an income over 250K collect Social Security or Medicare benefits.
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And your post is a shined up turd.

Defense spending is around 15%, entitlements are over 65%. Which one is it more important we get under control?

Im for means testing and have stated so several times.

Do you ever get tired of being so wrong?
 
lpast said:
I absolutely agree with him...

Former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) lashed out at members of his party on Sunday, slamming them for their unwillingness to compromise on proposed tax increases.



Former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) lashed out at members of his party on Sunday, slamming them for their unwillingness to compromise on proposed tax increases.
In his characteristically colorful style, Simpson told CNN's Fareed Zakaria that Republicans' rigid opposition to new tax revenues has hampered productivity and diminished the chances of reaching an agreement with Democrats on debt reduction.


Simpson continued: "If you want to be a purist, go somewhere on a mountaintop and praise the east or something. But if you want to be in politics, you learn to compromise. And you learn to compromise on the issue without compromising yourself. Show me a guy who won’t compromise and I’ll show you a guy with rock for brains."

Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise
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Glad to finally see some Republicans standing up for for their country. The only time in the last 30 years we significantly reduced the debt was when both side compromised to accomplish tax increases and spending cuts.
 
Catawba said:
The only time in the last 30 years we significantly reduced the debt was when both side compromised to accomplish tax increases and spending cuts. Republicans took control of both houses of Congress for the first time in over forty years, and the President, a Democrat who, up to that point had been pushing Obamaesque big-taxing-and-spending policies, and big-government policies in general, realized that the only way he could retain any power or relevance was by pretending to be a Republican, and supporting Republican-type policies.
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Fixed it for you.
 
OpportunityCost said:
And your post is a shined up turd.

Defense spending is around 15%, entitlements are over 65%. Which one is it more important we get under control?

Im for means testing and have stated so several times.

Do you ever get tired of being so wrong?
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So you're throwing SS in with welfare? In that case my Federal taxes are about 17% and Romney & Co. can start coughing up their "fair share" instead of sliding by on their 14%.
 
Born Free said:
Was Obamacare and the trillion dollar stimulus a compromise with Republicans? No, and please notice Obama does not talk about his signature accomplishment "Obamacare" nor how his trillion dollar stimulus has did anything for the economy.
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Yes, in the compromise with health care reform, the Democrats compromised to give up the public option and go with the GOP's insurance mandate.

"Conservative economists developed the concept (of the insurance mandate) in the late 1980s, when they were searching for a market-based alternative to the government-sponsored, universal health-care system liberals were proposing."

The individual mandate's Republican roots: A guide - The Week


And yes, "Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House

Back Then, Helping Boost Economic Growth Was Bipartisan"

Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Fixed it for you.
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Are you really trying to get people to believe that it was the Republicans that pushed for tax increases for the wealthy and cutting military spending in the 90's??? :lamo


You are going to have to rewrite history, and not just my post above, to pull that one off!
 
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Catawba said:
Glad to finally see some Republicans standing up for for their country. The only time in the last 30 years we significantly reduced the debt was when both side compromised to accomplish tax increases and spending cuts.
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Theres more and more republicans speaking out about the far right strangling any progress
 
MoSurveyor said:
So you're throwing SS in with welfare? In that case my Federal taxes are about 17% and Romney & Co. can start coughing up their "fair share" instead of sliding by on their 14%.
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Medicare, medicaid, SS, welfare and food stamps all are in that category. They are labeled in budget items as aid or entitlements. They are the biggest outlay in the budget and are growing at a rate where they will be 8 times the defense spending in a matter of 6 years. It has to be brought under control we are just fooling our selves with anything else.

Spending decreases need to be on the table as an immediate solution coupled with a tax increase. I dont mean a 1 trillion in cuts over to years. I mean we cut 400billion NOW as part of a tax agreement. Its rediculous to think we can just keep raising taxes and expect the government to do anything but keep spending it.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Medicare, medicaid, SS, welfare and food stamps all are in that category. They are labeled in budget items as aid or entitlements. They are the biggest outlay in the budget and are growing at a rate where they will be 8 times the defense spending in a matter of 6 years. It has to be brought under control we are just fooling our selves with anything else.

Spending decreases need to be on the table as an immediate solution coupled with a tax increase. I dont mean a 1 trillion in cuts over to years. I mean we cut 400billion NOW as part of a tax agreement. Its rediculous to think we can just keep raising taxes and expect the government to do anything but keep spending it.
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First, I agree with you that we need reasonable spending cuts coupled with tax increases....whether the tax increases are through getting rid of loopholes and havens that allow the super rich and corporations to pay nothing and next to nothing or an increase in tax rate with some loopholes removed.

I strongly disagree that Social Security and Medicare...are the same as Medicaid and Welfare and Foodstamps....first of all every WORKING american if FORCED into paying for social security and medicare their entire working lives...you are given no choice, they take your money every paycheck.
We all know welfare and medicaid recpients do not prepay a dime for their benefits...
Before I agreed to one cent in spending cuts for Working middleclass americans....they MUST stop all foriegn aid and stop all the billions upon billions in subsidies to corporations...especially big oil and farm subsidies and including all the green companies....and to BIG BANKS and never ever give another bailout to any corporation....you want to suck all the profit you can and milk the middle class...then die when you fail all on your own and dont give them my tax money...

You right wingers got this thing in your head that all the money the govt spends goes to everyone but the rich....THAT IS PURE BOULDERDASH...
 
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TurtleDude said:
1) he's a RINO

2) he forgot or ignores what happened when GHWB compromised with the dems on taxes-taxes went up, the dems didn't cut spending and then the dems lambasted Bush for breaking his promises when they ran against him


The rich pay too much now, until the government proves it can massively go on a diet no one should have to feed it more
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Casepoint of the reason for gridlock. If you don't march lockstep to the party message you're branded a "RINO" which means you're no longer a "true conservative" and are ignored. Thanks turtle for the example.
 
iliveonramen said:
Casepoint of the reason for gridlock. If you don't march lockstep to the party message you're branded a "RINO" which means you're no longer a "true conservative" and are ignored. Thanks turtle for the example.
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so now we now see that NO diversity of opinion is allowed in the GOP.

you either goosestep & salute like everyone else, or you will be chastised & shunned.

this is why America is going to Hell.
 
Catawba said:
And yes, "Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House

Back Then, Helping Boost Economic Growth Was Bipartisan"

Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House
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It’s not that stimulus is bad it’s how it’s implemented. The Bush stimulus put money in the “99’s” hands. Per your link:

That package provided tax cuts of up to $600 for individuals or $1,200 for married couples, plus an additional $300 per child.

President Obama’s stimulus went LARGELY to the 1%...

But once gross domestic product started its upturn in the summer of 2009, it was the richest who enjoyed most of the improvement, 93 percent of it, in fact.

Daily Kos: The 1% collects 93% of the 'recovery'

It is this that prevents the bipartisanship you desire.
 
TurtleDude said:
Simpson was never good on taxes or guns
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Simpson and his biographer were in town for a book signing a couple of months ago. This was the first time I had heard that Simpson was actually on federal probation for two years for shooting up mailboxes back when he was a kid. :mrgreen:
 
Diogenes said:
Simpson and his biographer were in town for a book signing a couple of months ago. This was the first time I had heard that Simpson was actually on federal probation for two years for shooting up mailboxes back when he was a kid. :mrgreen:
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Man..it's almost like a minature example of how Republicans react to criticizism from within their ranks. First the branding of RINO then the personal attacks to discredit the individual!
 
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Man.. took 8 posts before the RINO tag was slung at this guy... the GOP faction on these boards are slipping!
 
PeteEU said:
Man.. took 8 posts before the RINO tag was slung at this guy... the GOP faction on these boards are slipping!
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Im going to predict that after this round of elections..Rino will be a badge of honor...and teaparty far right will be out in the cold...
Its already started...the realization of what the teaparty is all about...of the rich for the rich and a tool to buy elections
 
lpast said:
Im going to predict that after this round of elections..Rino will be a badge of honor...and teaparty far right will be out in the cold...
Its already started...the realization of what the teaparty is all about...of the rich for the rich and a tool to buy elections
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It does seem cyclical but I think the time frame is a little longer.
 
lpast said:
Nothing gets done without compromise...the teaparty faction of the gop is pandering to their super rich benefactors.
Having said that alot of the cause of this attitude is because of the way the democrat super majority rammed through obamacare without any compromise...which cost them dearly. Americans do not like anything rammed down their throat...and eventually they will reject the teaparty...actually that rejection has already started
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LOL The ENTIRE HC bill was a Republican idea from the 90's including the mandate. McConnel said from the start that the GOP's only goal was to make Obama a 1 term President.
 
lpast said:
Im going to predict that after this round of elections..Rino will be a badge of honor...and teaparty far right will be out in the cold...
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Actually, it's the opposite. Lugar in Indiana just lost his primary to the tea party member. There are others across the country planned. The tea party is going to be around for quite a while ... whether or not Republicans embrace them or not (I'm guessing not - in the short term) is yet to be seen. But they continue to gain ground politically.
 
Dickieboy said:
It’s not that stimulus is bad it’s how it’s implemented. The Bush stimulus put money in the “99’s” hands. Per your link:

That package provided tax cuts of up to $600 for individuals or $1,200 for married couples, plus an additional $300 per child.

President Obama’s stimulus went LARGELY to the 1%...

But once gross domestic product started its upturn in the summer of 2009, it was the richest who enjoyed most of the improvement, 93 percent of it, in fact.

Daily Kos: The 1% collects 93% of the 'recovery'

It is this that prevents the bipartisanship you desire.
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Well that's a pretty silly statement. Saying that the wealthy have done the best during the recovery isn't the same thing as saying that the stimulus went to the wealthy. The truth is that the wealthy have hoovered up most of the gains for the last 30 years.

Both Bush and Obama did payroll tax cuts. The difference was that Bush sent out lump-sum checks while Obama doled out the tax cuts in weekly paychecks. Bush's approach is better for winning brownie points ("hey look at this big check!") but is inferior for stimulating the economy as people are more likely to stash a lump sum in savings or use it to pay down debt.
 
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