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The problem you have is the fact that science disputes you and science means it is something that can be recreated. I can get the knowledge to be able to verify decay ages, or evolution, or tree lifespans or some of the other things that show the age of the Earth is really old. You cannot do the same with the Bible.
And I showed you that science isn't always right. Science changes all the time. What were thought to be facts are debunked regularly in the world of science. Meanwhile, the Bible has been the same thoughout. Documents have been found that show the modern day Bible accurately depicts what was originally written. Also, do a Google search on Bible geology. You will find lots of evidence that contradicts the status quo belief.
One of the issues you seem unable to accept is that I believe that it is much more likely that those guys back in the day actually were either just writing their own experiences or what they thought they knew or they lied in an effort to control other people. I prefer logic, something I feel God gave to us to use, instead of believing men who had a clear and powerful reason to write and put out what they did, control of other people, for good or bad.
Logic is my biggest evidence against the Bible. And not starting from the premise that the Bible is automatically the absolute word of God.
I still don't understand how you can put your trust in one group of men you've never met while you can't put your trust into another group of men you've never met. What, scientists don't have a vested interest in their theories and discoveries being accepted as doctrine and common belief? The best part is what you are calling logic is in fact faith. You have faith in those scientists that they are telling the truth. There is no logic behind your belief in them. That is, unless you have some sort of degree or experience in geology.
After you each life, yes, everyone is judged for how they lived that life.
Soooo, how is my God so horrible but yours isn't? I am assuming that the reincarnation you believe in has human beings return as human beings again. So, if I am horrible in this life I receive punishment in the next life correct? So how am I able to break out of this downward spiral of continuously accruing punishment if the god that you believe in doesn't interfere with my life? Where else do I turn? At least my God bails you out once you realize you screwed up. He doesn't just continue to pile on the misery.
 
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Because knowledge is important. Without that knowledge, a person might evolved into a self righteous asshole who seeks to unfairly discrimnate against people like homosexuals, or feel superior enough to judge. The knowledge of what we've done grounds us in humility, to know that it is but by the grace of God that we are not elsewhere.

As for scriputre to back that up, the best place to debunk that is at the library. Some very good books were written on that long ago that cast a lot of doubt on the scripture so oftened used. Many an interpretation is just plain wrong. But at worse, what the scripture really has to say on it is in doubt. I find it does no good to try and explain this to people who won't look, but if you have the desire to question, I suggest going to the library.

Boo, sorry, but I'm not tracking what exactly the purpose of this post was. Maybe it's because I haven't slept a lot or something but I'm seriously just staring at the screen on this one.
 
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And I showed you that science isn't always right. Science changes all the time. What were thought to be facts are debunked regularly in the world of science. Meanwhile, the Bible has been the same thoughout. Documents have been found that show the modern day Bible accurately depicts what was originally written. Also, do a Google search on Bible geology. You will find lots of evidence that contradicts the status quo belief.

The beliefs in what the Bible says changes all the time. I don't know how you can say it doesn't. People used to believe the Bible condoned slavery and considered interracial marriage a sin. Some still believe both of these things, while others don't. There are thousands of denominations of Christianity for the pure fact that most people believe that the Bible means different things. I know what the Bible says. I have been reading it since I very young. It contradicts itself and science, unless you absolutely do not take it at face value.

I still don't understand how you can put your trust in one group of men you've never met while you can't put your trust into another group of men you've never met. What, scientists don't have a vested interest in their theories and discoveries being accepted as doctrine and common belief? The best part is what you are calling logic is in fact faith. You have faith in those scientists that they are telling the truth. There is no logic behind your belief in them. That is, unless you have some sort of degree or experience in geology.

I think you may have misunderstood me when I said I believe in logic. I meant my own logic. Being able to look at the various fossils and skeletons and see that it is obvious that animals have changed and evolved. Using my own logic to realize that it is much more likely that the flood happened in one region of the world and not the entire planet because of the knowledge I have of physics and biology and the information that is available.

And humans, as a whole, don't really change. Logic can tell anyone that people are generally going to be mostly good, as individuals. It is illogical to believe that most of any population would actually be bad/evil. And many of the stories of the Bible absolutely remind me of some of the other stories in other religions/past cultures in which people explained things by invoking some god as the reason for it. It isn't something that needs to be pointed out to me because I can see it for myself.

I don't believe that a higher power has any necessity to change the laws of physics or biology or any other natural laws just to kill us off or prove a point. If He/She did, then why not do it now? Why hasn't a higher power talked to someone here since thousands of years ago to tell us we were going to face natural disasters or diseases or whatever for our wicked ways? It is much more logical that God may do little things that are within His laws of nature already established to help out people, but not to kill people. He/She wants us to live our lives, for our souls to gain experience.

Soooo, how is my God so horrible but yours isn't? I am assuming that the reincarnation you believe in has human beings return as human beings again. So, if I am horrible in this life I receive punishment in the next life correct? So how am I able to break out of this downward spiral of continuously accruing punishment if the god that you believe in doesn't interfere with my life? Where else do I turn? At least my God bails you out once you realize you screwed up. He doesn't just continue to pile on the misery.

Because my God shows empathy to everyone, not just those who believe in the Bible. All it requires to move to good places eventually for my God is to live as good of a life as the person can. Let your soul grow and experience life. No need to actually believe at all. Just be good to your fellow man. Don't do things that would be considered evil, not just wrong. And homosexuality or even casual sex isn't wrong because it is natural and as long as it isn't truly hurting someone, then it wouldn't go against the being good to your fellow man thing.

And, actually no I don't believe that people all come back as humans, just sentient beings. The purpose would be to grow a person's soul through experiences, so it would need to learn from both the good and bad experiences. There is more but it isn't really important to our discussion.
 
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The beliefs in what the Bible says changes all the time. I don't know how you can say it doesn't. People used to believe the Bible condoned slavery and considered interracial marriage a sin. Some still believe both of these things, while others don't. There are thousands of denominations of Christianity for the pure fact that most people believe that the Bible means different things. I know what the Bible says. I have been reading it since I very young. It contradicts itself and science, unless you absolutely do not take it at face value.
I said the Bible doesn't change. Of course people do. That's the point of my whole argument is that scientists contradict themselves all the time. I agree that there are many different religions out there that try to intepret the Bible in many different ways. I believe God didn't intend for the Bible to be as complicated as we try to make it. We, as human beings, tend to overthink things. I take the Bible for what it says and practically apply it to my life. That's all I can do. I can't control what a Jehovah's Witness says about the Bible or a Mormon says about the Bible. I am one person. I am telling you what I believe and that is that the Bible is a book that is to be taken at face value.
I think you may have misunderstood me when I said I believe in logic. I meant my own logic. Being able to look at the various fossils and skeletons and see that it is obvious that animals have changed and evolved. Using my own logic to realize that it is much more likely that the flood happened in one region of the world and not the entire planet because of the knowledge I have of physics and biology and the information that is available.
It doesn't matter whose logic it is. I'll ask the question again. What real understanding do you have of fossils, physics, or biology? Do you have some sort of degree in those subjects? The Bible requires no degree to understand. Anyone can decipher the words of the Bible.
And humans, as a whole, don't really change. Logic can tell anyone that people are generally going to be mostly good, as individuals. It is illogical to believe that most of any population would actually be bad/evil. And many of the stories of the Bible absolutely remind me of some of the other stories in other religions/past cultures in which people explained things by invoking some god as the reason for it. It isn't something that needs to be pointed out to me because I can see it for myself.
You've never heard of the Germans? How about the various tribes in Africa that commit genocide and rape the women of another tribe simply because they are in said tribe. I don't know what you've experienced in your life, but, I've seen the worst side of man and believe he is more than capable of evil.
I don't believe that a higher power has any necessity to change the laws of physics or biology or any other natural laws just to kill us off or prove a point. If He/She did, then why not do it now? Why hasn't a higher power talked to someone here since thousands of years ago to tell us we were going to face natural disasters or diseases or whatever for our wicked ways? It is much more logical that God may do little things that are within His laws of nature already established to help out people, but not to kill people. He/She wants us to live our lives, for our souls to gain experience.
You subscribe to the belief that God has to abide by those laws of physics and biology. Who set those laws? We did. Why would the Creator of the world and human beings abide by the laws of His creation? He would cease to be God. He would turn into just another being then. My God knows no bounds.


Because my God shows empathy to everyone, not just those who believe in the Bible. All it requires to move to good places eventually for my God is to live as good of a life as the person can. Let your soul grow and experience life. No need to actually believe at all. Just be good to your fellow man. Don't do things that would be considered evil, not just wrong. And homosexuality or even casual sex isn't wrong because it is natural and as long as it isn't truly hurting someone, then it wouldn't go against the being good to your fellow man thing.
And, actually no I don't believe that people all come back as humans, just sentient beings. The purpose would be to grow a person's soul through experiences, so it would need to learn from both the good and bad experiences. There is more but it isn't really important to our discussion.

So, what animal were you before this life?
 
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Boo, sorry, but I'm not tracking what exactly the purpose of this post was. Maybe it's because I haven't slept a lot or something but I'm seriously just staring at the screen on this one.

Maybe it'll make sense later.

However, it is easy, we see what we've done so we know. Knowing often breeds not only understanding, but Humility.

That was to our judgement.

Than I tried to direct you to the library to investigate better the problems with thinking the Bible addressess homosexuality. Many believe the truth is that it says nothing about homosexuality at all.
 
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And I showed you that science isn't always right. Science changes all the time. What were thought to be facts are debunked regularly in the world of science.

The earth being flat, the canals meaning life on Mars were only supported by preliminary observations, and limited ones at that.

There was no empirical evidence, no mathematical substance, no way of even experimenting. And when some one came along and applied those scientific measurements to the flat earth, or the Geo-centric theory, we found we were wrong.

On the other hand, we have mountains of data to support the theories we have now:

Early Theories of Evolution: Evidence of Evolution

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

Short Proof of Evolution

Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Geologic Time: Age of the Earth

The Age of the Earth

On the other hand, the only proof of a flat earth was, "Hey, looks flat to me."

And facts, once scientifically tested and proven, are hardly ever changed.
 
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I said the Bible doesn't change. Of course people do. That's the point of my whole argument is that scientists contradict themselves all the time. I agree that there are many different religions out there that try to intepret the Bible in many different ways. I believe God didn't intend for the Bible to be as complicated as we try to make it. We, as human beings, tend to overthink things. I take the Bible for what it says and practically apply it to my life. That's all I can do. I can't control what a Jehovah's Witness says about the Bible or a Mormon says about the Bible. I am one person. I am telling you what I believe and that is that the Bible is a book that is to be taken at face value.

The Bible was written by man. No matter what you may believe, it was written by men. And men interpret it. That is the pure facts and God would know these things. If He wanted it to be better understood, He wouldn't have written it as men do or had it written as men do. He would have found some way to make sure as many people as possible read exactly the same thing, or at least pretty damn close to it, every time it was written. There is more debate over what the Bible says and how to interpret it than probably any other book in history. I see that as a problem when people try to say that the Bible is the word of God and tell others how they should take the Bible and its meanings/stories.

It doesn't matter whose logic it is. I'll ask the question again. What real understanding do you have of fossils, physics, or biology? Do you have some sort of degree in those subjects? The Bible requires no degree to understand. Anyone can decipher the words of the Bible.

Do you have a degree in theology? How about a working knowledge of Aramaic or Greek or Latin? Are you a historian?

You have nothing but faith to back up the Bible as being inspired by God. I have evidence. It isn't necessarily absolutely conclusive, since most of science is really just being able to consistently show things will work the same way or has enough evidence for it that it is more likely to be true than something else until more evidence for something else is found.

You've never heard of the Germans? How about the various tribes in Africa that commit genocide and rape the women of another tribe simply because they are in said tribe. I don't know what you've experienced in your life, but, I've seen the worst side of man and believe he is more than capable of evil.

Not all those people are bad/evil. Many yes. But some are led astray rather than actually being evil. They can change given the right knowledge about how and how better it would be to be good rather than do bad.

You say you've seen the worst side of man and his evil, but then why do you think that God isn't helping those people or destroying them? That is what I don't get. The Bible says that God was willing to destroy towns/cities/the world due to evil, yet He doesn't feel it necessary to do it now? And the whole sending Jesus thing is a copout because we still have plenty of people who will claim that natural disasters or plagues against this country are punishment from God, so why doesn't He do the same to those other places?

You subscribe to the belief that God has to abide by those laws of physics and biology. Who set those laws? We did. Why would the Creator of the world and human beings abide by the laws of His creation? He would cease to be God. He would turn into just another being then. My God knows no bounds.

I don't necessary think God has to abide by those things, I believe He does so in dealing with us because He gave us everything we need and set up everything He needs to do so. Why send a flood if he could just send a virus to target specific people? God can do anything, so why operate in only the bounds of human physics, as most of the Bible stories do? Also, why place all the evidence for evolution and an old earth if only to have something written that contradicts it?

If the purpose of life is to live it, then it isn't necessary for God to kill us when some do evil things because it would be a part of experience for us.

So, what animal were you before this life?

First of all, I have no idea, because I don't have insight into my past lives. And I've never come across someone who does (although I don't discount the possibility of people who may be able to look into them).

Second of all, I wasn't necessarily talking about animals, although I don't discount the possibility that certain animals could be sentient. I was rather referring to other lifeforms. You know, sentient beings on other planets, in other galaxies? I even believe other dimensions are possible and the soul could move to those other dimensions.
 
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Maybe it'll make sense later.

However, it is easy, we see what we've done so we know. Knowing often breeds not only understanding, but Humility.

That was to our judgement.

Than I tried to direct you to the library to investigate better the problems with thinking the Bible addressess homosexuality. Many believe the truth is that it says nothing about homosexuality at all.

Sorry, but I believe that it does.
 
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Sorry, but I believe that it does.

I know you. So did I until I investigated. I believe the issue is clouded at best.

On a Humorous note, I ran across an Amish report where the reporter apologized profusely for being unable to find any evidence to fully support the Bible being against homosexuals. His apology was longer than his report. :doh
 
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The Bible was written by man. No matter what you may believe, it was written by men. And men interpret it. That is the pure facts and God would know these things. If He wanted it to be better understood, He wouldn't have written it as men do or had it written as men do. He would have found some way to make sure as many people as possible read exactly the same thing, or at least pretty damn close to it, every time it was written. There is more debate over what the Bible says and how to interpret it than probably any other book in history. I see that as a problem when people try to say that the Bible is the word of God and tell others how they should take the Bible and its meanings/stories.
The application of the Bible to one's life may be different from person to person. I could read one verse and another guy read the same one and it apply to my life differently. But it still says the same thing. Like I said, I read the Bible for what it says. Your interpretation argument holds no water because we could say that about every single thing in the world. The fact is that God gave us the ability to know what is and what isn't. Sure, some people will twist the Bible to fit the needs of their particular religion. People twist the Constitution to do that same. People twist laws in the same manner. Those same people that twist the Bible to fit their needs will answer for it. Your scientists interpret what you call "proof" to say what they want it to. We could go in circles all day with this.
Do you have a degree in theology? How about a working knowledge of Aramaic or Greek or Latin? Are you a historian?
You have nothing but faith to back up the Bible as being inspired by God. I have evidence. It isn't necessarily absolutely conclusive, since most of science is really just being able to consistently show things will work the same way or has enough evidence for it that it is more likely to be true than something else until more evidence for something else is found.
You don't need a degree to read the Bible, that's the beauty of it. Anyone can pick up a Bible, read it, and at least understand the basic premises of it. I HIGHLY doubt that you could pick up a geologists or scientists report on carbon dating and the mathematical equations used to accomplish it and walk away saying "Ooooooh, now it makes sense."


Not all those people are bad/evil. Many yes. But some are led astray rather than actually being evil. They can change given the right knowledge about how and how better it would be to be good rather than do bad.
Define being led astray please.
You say you've seen the worst side of man and his evil, but then why do you think that God isn't helping those people or destroying them? That is what I don't get. The Bible says that God was willing to destroy towns/cities/the world due to evil, yet He doesn't feel it necessary to do it now? And the whole sending Jesus thing is a copout because we still have plenty of people who will claim that natural disasters or plagues against this country are punishment from God, so why doesn't He do the same to those other places?
1) You answered your initial question with the "copout" you call Jesus.
2) The level of natural disaster's we see today are miniscule compared to something like the great flood. Other than that, I haven't seen any widespread plagues or natural disasters that have taken out tens of thousands of people for awhile.
3) Do you entertain the thoughts of every nut you hear about? Or is it you just listen to the ones that are using the Bible as a backdrop to justify your feelings against Christianity?
I don't necessary think God has to abide by those things, I believe He does so in dealing with us because He gave us everything we need and set up everything He needs to do so. Why send a flood if he could just send a virus to target specific people? God can do anything, so why operate in only the bounds of human physics, as most of the Bible stories do? Also, why place all the evidence for evolution and an old earth if only to have something written that contradicts it?
Actually, the great flood wasn't within the bounds of anyone's physics. It's never happened again. Parting the Red Sea has never happened again. I could keep going.
Is there really evidence of evolution or is it something humans invented? Again, you give your fellow man more credit that he deserves in comparison to God.
First of all, I have no idea, because I don't have insight into my past lives. And I've never come across someone who does (although I don't discount the possibility of people who may be able to look into them).
Second of all, I wasn't necessarily talking about animals, although I don't discount the possibility that certain animals could be sentient. I was rather referring to other lifeforms. You know, sentient beings on other planets, in other galaxies? I even believe other dimensions are possible and the soul could move to those other dimensions.
So how the heck do you "learn" from other lives as you said earlier if you don't even know it happened? Learning requires memory correct? Also, what historical documents do you have backing that there are other planets/galaxies with life forms on them? What evidence of other dimensions do you have?
 
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The application of the Bible to one's life may be different from person to person. I could read one verse and another guy read the same one and it apply to my life differently. But it still says the same thing. Like I said, I read the Bible for what it says. Your interpretation argument holds no water because we could say that about every single thing in the world. The fact is that God gave us the ability to know what is and what isn't. Sure, some people will twist the Bible to fit the needs of their particular religion. People twist the Constitution to do that same. People twist laws in the same manner. Those same people that twist the Bible to fit their needs will answer for it. Your scientists interpret what you call "proof" to say what they want it to. We could go in circles all day with this.

You don't need a degree to read the Bible, that's the beauty of it. Anyone can pick up a Bible, read it, and at least understand the basic premises of it. I HIGHLY doubt that you could pick up a geologists or scientists report on carbon dating and the mathematical equations used to accomplish it and walk away saying "Ooooooh, now it makes sense."



Define being led astray please.

1) You answered your initial question with the "copout" you call Jesus.
2) The level of natural disaster's we see today are miniscule compared to something like the great flood. Other than that, I haven't seen any widespread plagues or natural disasters that have taken out tens of thousands of people for awhile.
3) Do you entertain the thoughts of every nut you hear about? Or is it you just listen to the ones that are using the Bible as a backdrop to justify your feelings against Christianity?

Actually, the great flood wasn't within the bounds of anyone's physics. It's never happened again. Parting the Red Sea has never happened again. I could keep going.
Is there really evidence of evolution or is it something humans invented? Again, you give your fellow man more credit that he deserves in comparison to God.

So how the heck do you "learn" from other lives as you said earlier if you don't even know it happened? Learning requires memory correct? Also, what historical documents do you have backing that there are other planets/galaxies with life forms on them? What evidence of other dimensions do you have?

All this comes down to believing certain men. I prefer to believe the ones that have actual evidence to support them and not those who wrote what they wrote long ago without any knowledge of the world and have very little evidence at all for what they believe happened or believe God told them.

Plus, do you understand how the subconscious works? You don't remember much of your life, particularly a lot of those basics and early experiences that shaped your current life. So why do you assume that a soul couldn't work the same way?
 
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Plus, do you understand how the subconscious works? You don't remember much of your life, particularly a lot of those basics and early experiences that shaped your current life. So why do you assume that a soul couldn't work the same way?
So, conceivably, a perfect human being could result from your idea of reincarnation. If the world is millions of years old, as you claim, how long does it take to be perfect?
 
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So, conceivably, a perfect human being could result from your idea of reincarnation. If the world is millions of years old, as you claim, how long does it take to be perfect?

Actually, since I believe eventually a soul will end up in an eternal place of peace, such as heaven, once they find their soul mate and grow to a point of true enlightenment, they should find their peace in that place. Plus, you seem to have forgotten that I said it was not likely a soul went on to non-sentient beings, so you could only count up to the point where humans/beings of earth became sentient.

I don't claim to know everything and absolutely admit I may be wrong. But I do believe that I am right about the Bible. I can't accept any deity that requires me to believe absolutely in Her/Him without more proof than the words of people who claim to have spoken with Him/Her. That is not proof. Specifically when some of what they said is easily proven wrong through science and which isn't that much different than claims of other people of different religions in their own explanations for things they could not otherwise understand.
 
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Actually, since I believe eventually a soul will end up in an eternal place of peace, such as heaven, once they find their soul mate and grow to a point of true enlightenment, they should find their peace in that place. Plus, you seem to have forgotten that I said it was not likely a soul went on to non-sentient beings, so you could only count up to the point where humans/beings of earth became sentient.

I don't claim to know everything and absolutely admit I may be wrong. But I do believe that I am right about the Bible. I can't accept any deity that requires me to believe absolutely in Her/Him without more proof than the words of people who claim to have spoken with Him/Her. That is not proof. Specifically when some of what they said is easily proven wrong through science and which isn't that much different than claims of other people of different religions in their own explanations for things they could not otherwise understand.

You do know that the Bible existed before any other religious documents correct? So, who's religion is based off who's? What proof do you have of your god?
 
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You do know that the Bible existed before any other religious documents correct? So, who's religion is based off who's? What proof do you have of your god?

An interesting claim. I was curious, to I did a search. This was form the first link:

The Rigveda of Hinduism is proposed to have been composed between 1700–1100 BCE[2] making it possibly the world's oldest religious text still in use

Religious text - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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An interesting claim. I was curious, to I did a search. This was form the first link:

The Rigveda of Hinduism is proposed to have been composed between 1700–1100 BCE[2] making it possibly the world's oldest religious text still in use

Religious text - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of all the ancient writings, most scholars agree that the Old Testament of the Bible is the oldest of religious books.
Is the Bible the Oldest Religious Book?
 
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You do know that the Bible existed before any other religious documents correct? So, who's religion is based off who's? What proof do you have of your god?

Religions existed prior to the Bible. The Bible didn't actually exist until well after Jesus was crucified. Just because it was the first religious book does not mean it was the first religious texts. Of course, many religions were word of mouth or written in pictures. That doesn't make them any less of religions.

I have no more proof of my God than you do of yours.
 
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Of all the ancient writings, most scholars agree that the Old Testament of the Bible is the oldest of religious books.
Is the Bible the Oldest Religious Book?

We don't need actual religious books or texts to tell us about a culture's religious beliefs. Many texts that were not mainly religious in nature included a lot of those cultures' religious beliefs within those texts. That tells us some of what they believed and why.
 
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Of all the ancient writings, most scholars agree that the Old Testament of the Bible is the oldest of religious books.
Is the Bible the Oldest Religious Book?

Your source is a little suspect. But, lets look at the dates:

Of all the ancient writings, most scholars agree that the Old Testament of the Bible is the oldest of religious books. It was first written at 1000 BC through 500 BC and the words were given by God to its writers. In comparison, most others are relatively young.


Now, the hindism above is sited at 1700–1100 BCE. Which is older?

Now, you can do a search on this text, and you will find all of them putting it as older. I have no dog in this fight, but it seems a silly claim when it is so easy to find tests older.
 
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Religions existed prior to the Bible. The Bible didn't actually exist until well after Jesus was crucified. Just because it was the first religious book does not mean it was the first religious texts. Of course, many religions were word of mouth or written in pictures. That doesn't make them any less of religions.

I have no more proof of my God than you do of yours.

The texts were written prior to Jesus's death. It's funny that you'll believe the historical documents on one group of men (scientists) but not another (writers of the Bible). Still doesn't make sense to me. Whatever, have a good one. Thanks for staying civil in this debate.
 
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Your source is a little suspect. But, lets look at the dates:




Now, the hindism above is sited at 1700–1100 BCE. Which is older?

Now, you can do a search on this text, and you will find all of them putting it as older. I have no dog in this fight, but it seems a silly claim when it is so easy to find tests older.

It depends on the searches you do for this subject but I will cede that it is questionable. I'll settle to say it's AT LEAST the second oldest. How about that?
 
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It depends on the searches you do for this subject but I will cede that it is questionable. I'll settle to say it's AT LEAST the second oldest. How about that?

No, as pointed out by roguenuke, that religion predates Christianity by a long ways. Much of it was oral and not written. Chritianity came about during the age of enlightenment, and many similar religions around the world were born. However, they were not near the first. I put no stock in what came first, but clearly, it wasn't Christianity.
 
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No, as pointed out by roguenuke, that religion predates Christianity by a long ways. Much of it was oral and not written. Chritianity came about during the age of enlightenment, and many similar religions around the world were born. However, they were not near the first. I put no stock in what came first, but clearly, it wasn't Christianity.

The argument wasn't if Christianity was first. It was which TEXT was the oldest.
 
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The argument wasn't if Christianity was first. It was which TEXT was the oldest.

Why does it matter which texts were first? So the others didn't waste paper writing down their beliefs. Why does that matter? It doesn't change what they believed or the reasons why they believed them, in either case. And many of the Christian stories began as word of mouth, not written texts. They just happened to last long enough to become written text, and not just hieroglyphs or pictures or passed down.
 
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The argument wasn't if Christianity was first. It was which TEXT was the oldest.

It does matter. But it wasn't the first text either, as noted by dates given. However, being first to write it down has no bearing on anything.
 
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